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Old Guard is the teachings that allow that level to occur and the methodology that it encompasses. Old Guard s the methodology that allows this to occur ritual and tools
To many people her are going what he hell is he talking about and what it is the ability to induce in a slave a state of altered consciousness
That is what it was about and still is that is what Old Guard is about
Look I know I have confused a lot of you so ill make it simple here. The traditions devices and means of this lifestyle are what Old Guard is and it is a designed and for a specific thing for one purpose and that is to arrive for the participant’s weather broth of them or the slave and aultered state of conciousness. Simple as that
It is the teachings of that concept and origins for this life style and the means to attain it and what it is done for, as there is an order and reason for all things.
As I said an altered state of consciousness simple t is a mind thing and that is what the Old Guard deals wit h. That swath the rituals are for like in Japans rope bondage. Hell most of you though it was a style of teeing another up when it is much more then that it creates a mental state for both involved. Same as say Yoga Does or Trance State does. This is just a different means of getting to the same place but has become something else
OK enough your boring me right what the hell is this trance state and if it exists what is it like or about and if so lets see you prove it. Well it is real ask any sub /slave /doom /switch that has experienced ire as any of them are able to. Not just the slave /sub. It is called Subspace and is very real.
That is the altered state and it is the ritual that creates it. It is not about anything other then arriving at that or both participants
It appears that your entire impetus and scope of Old Guard involves S/m with a Master and his female slave, and the altered states of conciousness these two achieve together. Subspace exists for subs and slaves alike across most all BDSM roles/role plays, other than simply a masochistic female slave being delivered to nirvana by her sadistic Master. Subspace can be achieved in many venues, and of course pain is a common venue... while it may be purely sexual in other venues, or even mental. Anything in the various types of M/s, D/s, S/m relationships (between male/female Dominants, and their male/female submissives) that triggers an altered state of conciousness, whether it be endorphin induced (pain), intense satisfaction/acceptance of their service (contentment), or various other methodologies (internally or externally induced), can achieve an altered state of conciousness. Simply being in love (lifestyle or vanilla) can be considered an altered state of conciousness.
My biggest difficulty with your redundant posting to spread your Old Guard agenda across the board, is that it is simply your concept, not based on fact or references, simply your bold words. Add to that your entire concept revolves wholly around an S/m pairing of a sadistic male Dominant and a masochistic female slave... and absolutely nobody else in the lifestyle.
Perhaps you would enjoy some reference material to help confuse your redundantly posted/stated Old Guard concept and philosophy:
Iron Rose Library - A collection of lifestyle articles.
Old Guard? If You say so - by Joseph W. Bean - His view of the 60s version of OG in gay leather.
What does a submissive feel in subspace? - by Catalina - Article describing what subspace feels like, as per a submissive.
The Responsibilities and Duties of a Dom - by Les Is More - Article regarding R & D of a Dom.
The Old Days - by Jay Wiseman - One of about six articles on Albany Power Exchange website.
And for purely "nostalgia purposes", a few non-BDSM Old Guard links:
The 3rd US Infantry Regiment - The Old Guard - Home page historical perspective of "The Old Guard".
Military Art - The Old Guard Homepage - Various Art related to Military Old Guard.
Napoleon Bonaparte - Goodbye to the Old Guard - Even Napolean had an Old Guard, and said goodbye.
These are but a drop in the bucket of the plethora of websites offering information about Old Guard, and none of the predominantly "leather philosophies" of Old Guard origin I saw, or the various assorted other philosophies of Old Guard origin seemed to include simply your S/m philosophy redundantly posted across the board.
Simply searching Google for Old Guard will return thousands of other links and philosophies regarding Old Guard... and many of those refer to subs/slaves being trained as Dominants (inferring an Old Guard prerequisite of being a Switch).
As I stated in another one of your many threads, Old Guard seems to be like Kool-Aid... everyone making their own color and flavor as they want, and to sweeten it to the level of sweetspace they want. I saw nothing regarding any of your stated "altered state of conciousness" philosophy in the plethora of online articles/documentation, or anywhere else... except for here, during the last couple of days.
The definition of Old Guard is essentially like the definition of beauty... it seems to be relative, and lies in the eye of the beholder... or their peer group.
Inyouagain
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