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Honetsy & Respect - 5/17/2004 11:20:21 AM

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This one is simple ok. The net is a place for one to live theory fantasy out at the expense of other feelings wit hoot regard that the yare human beings as well. These lies are based in the fact of unaccountability for their actions and Vero effect on them. They hide behind user names and tremble in fear of being found out for who or what the yare or think. It is not about reality it is about who cans by the most creative means possible bullshit the greater amount of people. My name is Dennis W. Pettigrew and I live in Ottawa Ontario Canada.

Any one else serious enough in who they are to post it

RE: Honetsy & Respect - 5/17/2004 11:46:45 AM

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Nice to meet you Dennis. How long have you been Dennis? Yesterday you posted in three different threads your revelations of Old Guard, and even included your Fred Smith contact e-mail address:

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If oyu wish t o ask me omer on this feel free to at [email protected] or here weather in a post or message im listed under masterb4u in dominant

I agree with you that many online can change like a chameleon, often right in front of your eyes! Who gets to be Fred Smith today?

Oi vey, today my name is Fred Smith, and I'm from Nueschwanstein, Bavaria, Lower Saxony, Germany... Guten tag bitte, eine bratwurst, zwei curry metwurst und drei pommes frits mit mayo... vonderbar, guten appetite! (oompah music)

I see your honesty & respect Fred, oops I mean Dennis, and I raise you two white lies and a fib.

Inyouagain

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RE: Honetsy & Respect - 5/17/2004 12:42:02 PM

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fred smith is the name for the email account like yours is not your name either as many others are not .

If you think fred smith is a persons name then you are mistaken as it is not mine.

You people speak of all sorts ot things here and then hide. I do not critise any one for that based on the things i have see nhere and how people are treated by others.

WHo would not wish to hide who they are based on that treatment. For the greater part if not for the ability to hid most of the people on thenet in gneral would not even speak . Either out of fear of not being taken serriusley cause they are not the person they wish others to see so they live in their dreams as that is the onley place they can . This in a land were others accept all for who they are .

i chalange you inyouagain to reality

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RE: Honetsy & Respect - 5/17/2004 1:18:52 PM

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Hello,

Some people have a reason why they do not wish to advertise their personal information on a public web site.

1) It could have negative ramifications with their family.
2) It could have negative ramifications for their employment.
3) It could open them up to blackmail, harassment, real life stalking, etc.
4) It could be politically or socially damaging.

Why a person decides to not be public in cyberspace is none of your business as far as I am concerned, and I find your comments to be rather judgemental about people you do not know. Part of RESPECT is showing consideration and due care for other people's privacy and personal space. Respect goes both ways; one wants to be respected, far as I am concerned one has to learn to respect others.

If you want to know who I am, get to know me and I will tell you, until then my motivations and personal information (apart from my email which is on my profile) are none of your business.

As far as anonymity is concerned, a friend of mine published his Master's thesis about the psychological aspects of the anonymity of cyberspace. People exist (in cyberspace) in a relatively consequenceless environment and are able to be the Terminator-esque immortals their minds have always wanted them to be.

Sinergy

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RE: Honetsy & Respect - 5/17/2004 1:19:39 PM

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That's so nice of you Fred. I have a single ID which I use online and offline, and am known as Inyouagain by all my BDSM lifestyle associates. Generally speaking, all my lifestyle associates use one ID, and use it also as their e-mail address.

You are the exception, but then again you are not an associate of mine so it really does not matter squat, other than your contradictory posts here using Fred Smith as your e-mail and then exposing yourself as Dennis today. Will you be Dennis tomorrow?

Have you ever called yourself baddestca? Your commentary and writing style are amazingly similar, and you seem to also have a bad keyboard as he did/does? Perhaps you just bought a used keyboard from him?

Now, as far as challenging me to reality... reality is that you've already been challenged by others here to backup your Old Guard philosophy about Dominants entering subspace (ie. altered state of conciousness), and your stated contention of that being what the BDSM lifestyle is all about. You apparently are blowing smoke, and you hide from the reality of previous challenges... by making new challenges.

In your displayed honesty and respect, do you realize that you violated the collarme message board rules by posting your (ahem) real vanilla name here?

I challenge you to respond to previous challenges from others (quit running/hiding), and to tell us honestly and respectfully about Dominant subspace being the essence of this lifestyle per your Old Guard mythology.

Inyouagain

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RE: Honetsy & Respect - 5/17/2004 4:12:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: inyouagain

I challenge you to respond to previous challenges from others (quit running/hiding), and to tell us honestly and respectfully about Dominant subspace being the essence of this lifestyle per your Old Guard mythology.

Inyouagain

What I had said is this it is a method the ritual the toys the tools that allow both to enter an altered consciousness

It has been asked if a master is a slave to the sub and his purpose just to bring her there to that place. If that were the case it is all it would be and in reality it is not it is a sheared thing experienced by both based in trust and commitment as well for with out that it can not exist.

The definition I understand for a sadist is one who derives pleasure from inflicting suffering on another. Is this to say by definition all masters by whatever title are sadists?

As a slave is in most events general speaking flogged for actions or some other sort of punishment does that make her a masochist who’s enjoyment comes sloey from being hurt/punished

If that is the case, then literally by definition, BDSM is just S/m no more no less ok.
Does that make séance and a literal truth to you based on actions and definitions of them as understood by most

Thus the devices and rituals are there for no other reason. This being the case further only the slave/sub attains any thing remotely past the joy of receiving or inflicting anything. That would logically make her superior and the master the tool to arrive at that state.

OK that makes logical séance to you in reality.

Now consider these methods for this the ritual and the tools are long standing. In North America inversions of this lifestyle there are less ritual then say the type of Japanese Rope Bondage. This is a fact and truth in one there is cleansing of the body and the mind in the other there is not that by intent ok

So based on that there is only on conclusion and that is the fact that either this lifestyle was derived from the S/m and serves no other purpose then that thus the SM in BDSM or it is more. That would be the BD part of it but in that it is the Domination and Bondage of others for the pleasure derived from denying them a thing and them from being denied it so again it is a softer version of SM. This is all people seem to think it is the power of one for powers sake and the service of the other for service sake.

Simply to it lowest terms the ability to get enjoyment from imposing ones will on another and their enjoyment from having it done. That would be it all of it nothing else.

There is though and it is not tangible in the séance of a rope or toy or flogger. It is the true essence of this lifestyle and that is what I called and altered state. Used the term subspace to show that for one side it is in existence and although not defined as dominant sub space also can exist for the master

All of that the bases of it the concept of it such as the trust and bond loyalty and rest of slave is part of it. The respect to the slave from time immortal from the master in their role is part of it

Consider the Gorean way for example strict rules and rags for the lifestyle under that does not make the mental state any less for them then it can be fore the Saddest and his partner. Each have traditions from some were or they would not be there today and weather that tradition is a day or a millennium long it is still a tradition.

There is a mental state and bond that is arrived at and sheared by both the master and the slave and if you have never felt that then you have only enjoyed a small part of what this lifestyle has to offer. If you cannot understand that there is more to it then the actions for their own sake then you miss a great deal.

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RE: Honetsy & Respect - 5/17/2004 4:45:21 PM

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<----- now at 15+ years experience in the lifestyle and the just went whoosh right over my head - admittedly partly because english is not your first language, but from what I could follow I am sorry to say your points do not make sense to me

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The definition I understand for a sadist is one who derives pleasure from inflicting suffering on another. Is this to say by definition all masters by whatever title are sadists?

no, they are not - it varies as a matter of personal choice/style

quote:

As a slave is in most events general speaking flogged for actions or some other sort of punishment does that make her a masochist who’s enjoyment comes sloey from being hurt/punished

again no - every slave/sub I have ever talked to has stated they do NOT enjoy punishment - and masochists are usually not punished by flogging - it would defeat the purpose to give them something they enjoy as a punishment

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If that is the case, then literally by definition, BDSM is just S/m no more no less ok.

you propose a hypothetical case and then base your 'real world' conclusions on that hypothetical case

I have experienced the complement to subspace (usually referred to as Domspace), and can tell from my experience that it very much differs from how my subs have described subspace ( not being sub cannot personally describe subspace )

And I am sorry, but all the research I have done does not support your definition of Old Guard - it is mostly in line with what has been discussed on another thread on this site - I would love for you to cite your sources so I can go read them myself - otherwise, this is just your view of Old Guard, and as such, is no more nor less valid than any other view

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RE: Honetsy & Respect - 5/17/2004 8:14:56 PM

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HAHAHA Im an exception too
I have 289 email addys and
all of them have a different
email but then again there is
a method to My madness and
a business means behind each
one ~wink~ I am known on line
with two names that are trade
marked registered and copy
writed and they are MistressDREAD
and MistressSteel both names
are also well known in My BDSM
Circles and My Addresses and phone
number are listed here on the w w w
as well as the Munchie Groups and
Dungeon and BDSM Clubs and Hotel
I Own. soooooo Im really not to hard
to find well actually I am hard to find
but My slaves whom tend to most of
My things for Me are not depending on
where and what address You contact
or where You go to see ME cause
I really do a whole lotta traveling and
I might be in Florida this day and in
Cali or Jamaica the next day and even
sum times when My truckerslutslave is
layed over will fly out to give him a
visit on his semi...... soooo ummm
should I just give the addresses and
phone numbers here or let sum one
whom wants to waste their tiime looking
Me up do so I do beleive Ive given enough
information for anyone to do so but I will
warn you that

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RE: Honetsy & Respect - 5/17/2004 8:16:37 PM

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heyyyy I got cut off
There are a whole lotta
MistressDREADs and
MistressSteels and it will
be a job to find which one
I am ~smiles~

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RE: Honetsy & Respect - 5/17/2004 11:00:27 PM

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Guess the point I was making is many hid behind fake and use lies and deceit to mislead others cause of it. Because one wish t remain anoints does not mean other then that. Heat does matter is the yare honest about whom what and why nothing more. Many though based on the you’ll never know concept lie about all else as well and that is what I was refuting t o

It is not about hiding indent for protection it is about using it as a men’s of deceit

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RE: Honetsy & Respect - 5/18/2004 12:16:46 AM

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Hello 4u, I have a question for you. If you were a well known actor, actress, state senator, or even the president of the US, why would you want to come on Collarme and address your real name? Sounds ignorant dont you think? I know there are alot of possers out there but who cares, thats there right. To me it really sounds like your passing judgment on everyone here based on a few people. I myself do have a life and mabey I dont want to let everyone know my full name. That is my right, but it dosen't mean I'm not sincere with how I live or what I believe. I am curious, why are you posting as Master4u instead of your real name?

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RE: Honetsy & Respect - 5/18/2004 12:19:37 AM

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It's easy, just look for the strange one.

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RE: Honetsy & Respect - 5/18/2004 12:22:20 AM

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Actually Marissa, he did post his real identity in another thread. He is Batman!

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RE: Honetsy & Respect - 5/18/2004 12:32:08 AM

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ORIGINAL: MASTERB4U
There is a mental state and bond that is arrived at and sheared by both the master and the slave and if you have never felt that then you have only enjoyed a small part of what this lifestyle has to offer. If you cannot understand that there is more to it then the actions for their own sake then you miss a great deal.

While I am not a sadist by nature, I don't seem to relate well to your philosophies, especially your definition of Old Guard. As far as your comment about my missing out on a great deal of what the lifestyle has to offer... again, that is "your opinion", which of course is relative to you.

It appears that your entire impetus and scope of Old Guard involves S/m with a Master and his female slave, and the altered states of conciousness these two achieve together. Subspace exists for subs and slaves alike across most all BDSM roles/role plays, other than simply a masochistic female slave being delivered to nirvana by her sadistic Master. Subspace can be achieved in many venues, and of course pain is a common venue... while it may be purely sexual in other venues, or even mental. Anything in the various types of M/s, D/s, S/m relationships (between male/female Dominants, and their male/female submissives) that triggers an altered state of conciousness, whether it be endorphin induced (pain), intense satisfaction/acceptance of their service (contentment), or various other methodologies (internally or externally induced), can achieve an altered state of conciousness. Simply being in love (lifestyle or vanilla) can be considered an altered state of conciousness.

My biggest difficulty with your redundant posting to spread your Old Guard agenda across the board, is that it is simply your concept, not based on fact or references, simply your bold words. Add to that your entire concept revolves wholly around an S/m pairing of a sadistic male Dominant and a masochistic female slave... and absolutely nobody else in the lifestyle.

Perhaps you would enjoy some reference material to help confuse your redundantly posted/stated Old Guard concept and philosophy:

Iron Rose Library - A collection of lifestyle articles.

Old Guard? If You say so - by Joseph W. Bean - His view of the 60s version of OG in gay leather.

What does a submissive feel in subspace? - by Catalina - Article describing what subspace feels like, as per a submissive.

The Responsibilities and Duties of a Dom - by Les Is More - Article regarding R & D of a Dom.

The Old Days - by Jay Wiseman - One of about six articles on Albany Power Exchange website.

And for purely "nostalgia purposes", a few non-BDSM Old Guard links:

The 3rd US Infantry Regiment - The Old Guard - Home page historical perspective of "The Old Guard".

Military Art - The Old Guard Homepage - Various Art related to Military Old Guard.

Napoleon Bonaparte - Goodbye to the Old Guard - Even Napolean had an Old Guard, and said goodbye.

These are but a drop in the bucket of the plethora of websites offering information about Old Guard, and none of the predominantly "leather philosophies" of Old Guard origin I saw, or the various assorted other philosophies of Old Guard origin seemed to include simply your S/m philosophy redundantly posted across the board.

Simply searching Google for Old Guard will return thousands of other links and philosophies regarding Old Guard... and many of those refer to subs/slaves being trained as Dominants (inferring an Old Guard prerequisite of being a Switch).

As I stated in another one of your many threads, Old Guard seems to be like Kool-Aid... everyone making their own color and flavor as they want, and to sweeten it to the level of sweetspace they want. I saw nothing regarding any of your stated "altered state of conciousness" philosophy in the plethora of online articles/documentation, or anywhere else... except for here, during the last couple of days.

The definition of Old Guard is essentially like the definition of beauty... it seems to be relative, and lies in the eye of the beholder... or their peer group.

Inyouagain

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RE: Honetsy & Respect - 5/18/2004 9:34:53 AM

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Bravo (clapping) - well said inyou

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