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Termyn8or -> When will I ever learn ? (2/25/2007 5:53:50 AM)

The phone rings, this is easily figuroutable, she needs a tie rod end. Of course on the passenger side. I call my mechanic.

Her bf, a friend of mine is getting a talking to when I see him. His attitude is just go borrow the $300 for a garage to fix it instead of my guy for 1/3 of that. And we would've had it done yesterday, that's when I called her to confirm and drive out there. That's when the bubble burst.

WTF did I set aside part of my precious Saturday for ?

Her bf is a friend of mine, but he is getting it, as far as I am concerned he owes her $200 plus whatever money she loses by not working Monday and Tuesday.

Folks, professional in no way infers competence. Another non-MENSA candidate of ours, takes his $12,000 Pontiac in because the rear wheels are noisy. Real bad, among the worst I seen. Has those low profile tires and needs a pair.

A $2,000 "brake" job later it is the same, exactly the same.

My other buddy, WTF is wrong with him ? Goes to Mr Badwrench and this million dollar machine says change engine. This guy USED TO BE A MECHANIC ! What's more, he wants to go get a boneyard engine and put it in ! It was a bit of a hard diagnosis, you see the engine had jumped time, but every book we could find said the engine does not have a timing chain, that it uses gears. WRONG.

I told him "Tear down for timing chain". Less than $100 later the engine ran like new. It lasted until his nieces blew it up. They could fuck up an iron wrecking ball though.

Question: if that engine was not supposed to have a timing chain, why is that a trip to Murray's found that they had it in stock ? How come a factory authorized servicenter didn't know this, but we, and an aftermarket parts supplier did ?

Now folks, I know shops have to make money, but the Woman with the tie rod broken, she is going through a divorce and is broke. (seems strange doesn't it ?). Really $300 to change the tie rod is not really too bad. First of all it is a Ford, which doesn't use a drag link, so it is a large tie rod. Second of all they will align it (they better). Third of all they are probably selling her every grommet and who knows what else that doen't look new. I am not saying they are ripping her off. If it is OK for me to make money it is OK for them to make money.

But she is borrowing every dollar of it. In times like these, a person should try to be as cheap as possible. She needs one part installed and I can do the toe in alignment with a measuring tape. I can almost do it just by eye alone. To do that you need to lay down on the ground behing the vehicle and sight the tires. Needing level ground we are talking the middle of the street here, but I CAN DO THAT HERE !

Geezus pleas kill us. You have heard "You can lead a horse to water" ? , well now it's "You can lead a Woman who is broke to $200 but she sets fire to the cash after fucking up two people's Saturday schedule.

Well one, I never have a schedule on Saturday, but she told the garage to go ahead at 8AM. I am not getting up at 8AM on a Saturday to keep people from doing something stupid.

Tell you what, making decnt money, your bills are within tolerance ? You can afford things, you can make it on what you make ? Got a little money in the bank ? BY ALL MEANS, pay the $300. But this is not the case here.

Y'know, my credit score is probably about 770, and I drive a 20 year old car. I shall continue to do so until it is junk. Actually it was a steal when we got it with about 77,000 miles on it. Parts, repairs all that, got about $1,000 into it initially. A 20 year old car that somebody tried to steal twice, but the second time they got it. Needs a paint job, NO IT DON'T ! As long as that old beast serves me well it don't need nuthin. In fact I would like to make it look worse ! I'd lie to make it look so delapidated that any cop with an ounce of compassion won't stop me. Kapeesh ?

Don't get me wrong, the car runs really well, starts in 0 degree weather, all that. Of course if it became unsafe or unreliable it would go to the scrapyard. But the car has sentimental value, it is one of only two or three in my life I have ever acquired with less than 100,000 miles. Kinda brings a tear to yer eye don't it ?

Anyway, I think it is appalling how people buy cars based on creature comfort and looks alone. People get me to go look at cars with them, I get out my dirty greasy clothes, because the first thing I do is look underneath. OK, maybe not on a new car.

Actually I would let a friend buy a Ford truck, but for a car I would go GM. Unless you really have a hankerin for a Crown Vic. Ford really did outdo GM on those, and a few Lincolns. The GM products that compare are so friggin expensive it is not funny. A Buick Park Avenue costs about as much and is quite a bit smaller.

Those of you you read my rant, thanks for reading, those of you who didn't go f..., wait a minute. Nevermind.

T




sub4hire -> RE: When will I ever learn ? (2/25/2007 6:09:24 AM)

So, the point is people who are not mechanically inclined should not get ripped off somehow?
They should'nt tell other's they need help when maybe they don't?
People who are not mechanically inclined only drive flashy new cars?

Just trying to understand here.




Quivver -> RE: When will I ever learn ? (2/25/2007 6:13:17 AM)

Sigh ......
I feel your Pain.
I remember it well .. Hell I still live it... but I learned.  [;)]
Problem is I learned to wrench on them myself back in the day cause that cash wasnt as easy to get my hands on.
I miss those old 350 engines.  Now when I pop a hood it looks like a dinner table. 
I wont wrench anymore.  But I'm pretty good at knowing where the problem is. 
I agree we all need to make a buck or two here and there.  But the Auto industry is still the Auto industry
and it caters to that same society that loves instant gratification and keeping up with or one upping the next
guy.  Ask any salesman, it's built into their pitch.  I work in the industry, not in sales but in re-Marketing.
What is sad is how the largest item on their list is looks not function. 
If it's pretty, it'll sell. 
sigh.......................






ScooterTrash -> RE: When will I ever learn ? (2/25/2007 6:17:29 AM)

Er, uh, OK, this is wierd, I actually understood this rant...lol. Precisely why everyone should have taken an auto mechanics course in high school if it was offered. What I have saved over the years, has more than paid for the time invested.




untamedshysub -> RE: When will I ever learn ? (2/25/2007 6:27:34 AM)

that is because there are two sets of books one they charge men who know and one for the rest of us. My car has a warranty for that reason I told the mechinic it was making this humming sound he could not find it, so I said okay but if it breaks its still under warranty and they will be responsible.




hot1 -> RE: When will I ever learn ? (2/25/2007 7:39:55 AM)

OMG...try being a woman..you walk into someplace and they think just because you are a women, you know nothing.

I am not use to having to deal with them when I was younger....something wrong with my car...Dad or my brother.

Just last month...my fan moter for the heater broke...I knew what it was.  Called around and was told 350-600 dollars.  I thought it was too high.  I called my brother..he said..what kind of car..told him...i said the damm thing is right on top...you open the hood and take off a piece of plastic and is right there.  He is laughing at me I know he says.  HE says....call Crappy Tire....ask them how much the part is.....I have no idea how much they are up there......then start calling around...you know the price of the part...and it would take me 20 minutes to change it..so now you know how much time .....You likely will be charged an hour...but get a detail estimate.  I finally found someone that said 150......and gave me the details....part was a bit more..but not much...and they charged me for 40 minutes instead of 20.....still not bad ....but it took me 3 days to find someone that was not trying to rip me off.  Some was trying to tell me the part alone was 200 dollars.....geez

beth




goodlittlegirl28 -> RE: When will I ever learn ? (2/25/2007 7:57:07 AM)

when you're out of your element and your goal is safety, it's hard to argue with someone who says a new flex capacitor is going to cost $300 when you have nothing else to go on.




soultoshare -> RE: When will I ever learn ? (2/25/2007 11:35:50 PM)

Hot1, you are SO right.....everytime I've gone to buy a car, or get one serviced, they try to take me to the cleaners!  I can't replace an engine,  but I can do basic maintenance on a vehicle, oil changes, plugs, hoses, that sort of thing.  Hell, when I came home with my driver's permit, my dad siad "let's go"....went outside to the car, jacked that 1972 Plymouth grand fury, took the tire off, dropped it at my feet and said "now, put it back on"...i asked what changing a tire had to do with learning to drive...he said HE wasn't going to come out at 3:30 in the morning to change my tire, so I'd better know how!  (He would, but he was making a point.)  If I need something done to my car, I call my dad.....he tells me what needs to be done, and what tricks the service place might try.  He hasn't failed me yet! 

The first truck I bought was sold to me by a woman...I walked off of 6 lots, because the salesMEN wouldn't show me trucks.....they kept pointing me towards the "cute" sedans.....they couldn't comprehend that a woman wanted to buy a truck.  Their loss......I had a dodge ram, 5 speed manual transmission, and there were many times when guys seemed surprised that a)  I drove the truck, and b) that it was a manual transmission.....that really floored 'em!

Overall, i hate having to get my car serviced, or having to buy one.....but taking a guy along just rubs me the wrong way.....I should be able to get what I want without having to pay more for it!  So, I just dig in my heels, and let my stubborn streak out...NO ONE can beat that!  :)




Sinergy -> RE: When will I ever learn ? (2/26/2007 3:46:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Anyway, I think it is appalling how people buy cars based on creature comfort and looks alone. People get me to go look at cars with them, I get out my dirty greasy clothes, because the first thing I do is look underneath. OK, maybe not on a new car.



I have a 2002 Honda.  It has 150,000 miles on it.  It worked really well when I was doing the computer gig, but has been completely inappropriate for my life for the last 3 years.  The trunk barely contains all my dock crap, and my mock assailant armor bag takes up the entire back seat.  I will be picking up a new truck sometime in the near future.

I used to buy used cars until I bought a new truck.  I drove that truck for 3 years with no problems.  When my eldest UM was born, it was no longer workable for my life, so I sold it and bought a mini-van.  Now I buy new and drive them into the ground.  My ex-wife used to gripe at me about why I would do that, and I pointed out that I simply prefer to drive the good years off my vehicle myself.

Sinergy

p.s.  On a related note, I really enjoy working on my car.  Tools.  Grease.  Sweat.  Morpheme expression.  It is all good.




meatcleaver -> RE: When will I ever learn ? (2/26/2007 5:11:48 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy

p.s.  On a related note, I really enjoy working on my car.  Tools.  Grease.  Sweat.  Morpheme expression.  It is all good.


I can understand being outside in the sun solving the odd mechanical problem or two but doing it in rainy windswept streets or in a cold garage is no fun. I'd pay gold for someone else to service my car when I had one, I pay gold now to get my motorbike serviced while I sit in a cafe watching the world go by.




popeye1250 -> RE: When will I ever learn ? (2/26/2007 7:49:49 AM)

I buy new with a warranty and keep them for 4-5 years.
I had three Ford F-150's and they were great vehicles!
Just standard maintainance and they'd go forever.
Very tough too.
Last year I got rid of the truck and bought a 2006 Mercury Gran Marquis "LS" model which is much better on gas with the 4.6 litre engine instead of the 5.4 litre.
It gets about 20 around town and 26 on the highway and has a cavernous truck! Four sets of golf clubs and luggage would be no problem Sinergy!
VERY comfortable ride!
I change the oil and filter every 3,000 miles and rotate the tires every 5,000 miles.
These cars are very comfortable and they also go pretty fast with 224 H.P.
They're famous for being very reliable and the cops use it's sister car the Ford Crown Vic and they really BEAT on them!
At this point in my life I'd rather take a walk on the beach than be working on a vehicle.




BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: When will I ever learn ? (2/26/2007 8:00:05 AM)

I agree the ford trucks are made to last,Just notice how many of the older ones you see on the road today,WE have 3 ford a f150 and a 350 dual wheel and she has her little run about.I have an 84 with 200 k on her and I can go to the bardn and she will fire up, this the the ol farm truck...MY daughter works for gm in the apprentist program teaching in mi and she drive a ford truck her self.. goes to show ya..smiles bounty




DesertRat -> RE: When will I ever learn ? (2/26/2007 6:07:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: goodlittlegirl28
...it's hard to argue with someone who says a new flex capacitor is going to cost $300....


Silly girl...it's a flux capacitor. Three hundred sounds about right, labor included.

Bob




mnottertail -> RE: When will I ever learn ? (2/26/2007 6:14:29 PM)

well I am looking for a 150 ext cab short box body and frame, I have a truck to go underneath it, year unimportant, so long as the body is gangbusters in and out

Ill make it work.

mine is a 78 4wd 5 speed (not that it is important)




Sinergy -> RE: When will I ever learn ? (2/26/2007 6:18:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesertRat

quote:

ORIGINAL: goodlittlegirl28
...it's hard to argue with someone who says a new flex capacitor is going to cost $300....


Silly girl...it's a flux capacitor. Three hundred sounds about right, labor included.

Bob


Sined, Sealed, Delivered.

Did the car go through the mountain?

John Small Berries would be proud.

Sinergy

p.s. Laugh while you can, Monkey Boy.

(p.s. if you have never seen the movie Buckaroo Banzai In The 9th Dimension these lines make no sense)




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