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information on knifeplay and fireplay - 2/26/2007 6:48:03 PM

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Since I am a slave I thought I should ask this question in here instead of somewhere else. I have heard alot about knifeplay and fireplay but I have no idea what it is, I think I might like to try it but seeing as I have no idea what it is I can't. Hope I don't sound like such a newbie to the scene.

RE: information on knifeplay and fireplay - 2/26/2007 7:06:41 PM

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its not my thing tho i have seen it done in dungeons. just don't let anyone try it on u who isn't experienced... really experienced. it could go way wrong if not done just so

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RE: information on knifeplay and fireplay - 2/26/2007 8:19:18 PM

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Knifeplay is as dangerious as the idiot with the knife. It can be boring and safe, safe and hot, unsafe and boring, or unsafe and hot and probably a few other combinations.

I can be anything from actually cutting to never actually touching someone with the knife, just playing with them emotionally. For me, I like doing everything from fucking a woman with a knife to having her open her mouth and jabbing at her tongue. Simply taking the edge and sliding it sideways over the skin can be hot too.

The danger comes mostly in having someone move while playing...oops!

As for fireplay, kind of the same concept but requires a lot more skill and training. A little alcohol on the skin and a match, it burns fast and not that hot, a lot and you have a stage 3 burn on your hands. Since alcohol is clear, people can't see it and the flame can go places they don't expect and again, OOPS!

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RE: information on knifeplay and fireplay - 2/26/2007 8:34:19 PM

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Knife play runs the gambit from a mind fuck (I'm gonna cut you!) to an actual cutting. Fire play can involve several techniques incuding burning an alcohol mix on the skin, flash paper to fire cupping (creating suction with heat from fire). Some even use fire poi.

I highly recommend you go to demos to see them and to meet people who are competent in them if you're interested.

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RE: information on knifeplay and fireplay - 2/27/2007 2:46:39 AM

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i have experienced knife play a few times and loved it... such an ultimate mind fuck but like Michael said, you really really have to know who is holding the knife. i have never been cut and don't want to be but i have certainly had my clothing cut off, especially panties. One of the Doms kept two identical knives, one with a razor sharp edge and one as dull as a spoon but the only knife i would see before being blindfolded was the sharp one. Cold steel on warm skin is a very delicious sensation.

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RE: information on knifeplay and fireplay - 2/27/2007 2:53:22 AM

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Master Fire,

Some more info on knifeplay will be much appreciated. I'm more than curious with this area and, so far, nothing doing so I've no experience to draw on. Anything will be appreciated to get a flavour of the various forms knifeplay can take (experiences etc).

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RE: information on knifeplay and fireplay - 2/27/2007 2:56:28 AM

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My experience has been about the same as eyesopened. Mostly having clothing cut (make sure you're not wearing anything you love) and mindfucks while tied up.

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RE: information on knifeplay and fireplay - 2/27/2007 5:01:06 AM

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oh i have seen alot more than clothes cut. like everyone is saying its good to know who u r dealing with on this one, and how sterile the knife is if ur n2 bein cut.

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RE: information on knifeplay and fireplay - 2/27/2007 5:06:27 AM

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Knifeplay is as dangerious as the idiot with the knife. It can be boring and safe, safe and hot, unsafe and boring, or unsafe and hot and probably a few other combinations.

I can be anything from actually cutting to never actually touching someone with the knife, just playing with them emotionally. For me, I like doing everything from fucking a woman with a knife to having her open her mouth and jabbing at her tongue. Simply taking the edge and sliding it sideways over the skin can be hot too.

The danger comes mostly in having someone move while playing...oops!

As for fireplay, kind of the same concept but requires a lot more skill and training. A little alcohol on the skin and a match, it burns fast and not that hot, a lot and you have a stage 3 burn on your hands. Since alcohol is clear, people can't see it and the flame can go places they don't expect and again, OOPS!

Do you mean you fuck her with the handle?? Knife play is one of my favorites. I also like using razer blades. *le sigh*

Have you done fireplay? I tend to stick with much tamer play than lighting them on fire like that. For me its usually psychological with some lighter play mixed in... like putting a match out in a puddle of water on them, or in their mouth or a gentle burn.

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RE: information on knifeplay and fireplay - 2/27/2007 5:09:31 AM

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Knife play runs the gambit from a mind fuck (I'm gonna cut you!) to an actual cutting. Fire play can involve several techniques incuding burning an alcohol mix on the skin, flash paper to fire cupping (creating suction with heat from fire). Some even use fire poi.

I highly recommend you go to demos to see them and to meet people who are competent in them if you're interested.

Master Fire

Do you know how one could find demonstrations? I've never come across any.

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RE: information on knifeplay and fireplay - 2/27/2007 5:20:20 AM

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Ive done knifeplay, to various degrees, from cutting clothes to cutting skin. I find the best part about the kifeplay is not the cutting itself, but the threat of the cut amd making sre that someone can feel the knife (or in my case sword) while you are talking to them. TElling them what you have planned. I love the mindfuck.
I have been dead curious about fireplay, but as far as I know there are never any advertised demos anywhere I hear about. Well, not until afterwards at least.

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RE: information on knifeplay and fireplay - 2/27/2007 5:37:39 AM

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This is where involvement in your local kink community comes in handy....for the purposes of seeing experienced players demo different techniques, safety tips, common problems and what to do to deal with those pesky "oops" that can and do happen. Both types of play contain varying degrees of risk and showmanship. They can make for spectacular "side show SM". A great phrase I heard used in a demo at Southplains this past weekend and am stealing (with credit to Hardy...bows in his direction). Regardless of your place in the power exchange spectrum you should educate yourself about any play activity you want to experience. Safety is everybody's responsibility in my opinion.

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RE: information on knifeplay and fireplay - 2/27/2007 6:16:30 AM

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Thought you might find some helpful groups listed on this site:

http://www.nelaonline.org/Resource%20Guide.html

New England Leather Alliance

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RE: information on knifeplay and fireplay - 2/27/2007 7:03:32 AM

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Another form of knife play that I have not seen mentioned that I do on occasion is after wax play, I use a sharp blade to remove the wax, sliding the blade between the wax and the skin. I do a great deal of knife play from cutting clothing to light cutting even, it does take skill and someone who knows what safety precautions to take.

Needle play would fall in with this group of edge play most likely as well.

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RE: information on knifeplay and fireplay - 2/27/2007 7:35:36 AM

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I have some experience in knife play as well... usually the blade is run gently against my skin, some times it might leave a scratch mark and that is all; i try and close my eyes and enjoy the sensation, i am then however ordered to open my eyes to see the knife being placed against my sternum or something similar and it scares the shit out of me everytime. It's definately a major head fuck factor. One time I was bound underwater (a completely different experience with adequate safety mechanisms) and Mistress decided to throw red food dye for an extra big head fuck... a lot of fun... i have some great pics of that session too...

Mistress is also interested in fire play however some of the items she has in mind for the session require a pyrotechnics license in Australia (such as flash paper or cotton), so she is working on that one...

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RE: information on knifeplay and fireplay - 2/27/2007 7:45:19 AM

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Nikolette,

Inserting a blade or a very sharp pencil into a woman's vagina takes a couple of skills. You need to be able to to walk the line between erotic excitement, fear, and emotional safety.

I start by inducing a bit of fear, demonstrating how sharp the knife (or pencil) by cutting clothing, poking, etc. Then calm them a bit, then start getting them aroused. As a woman gets aroused, the labias begin to become engorged and the vagina begins to open. This is your opening so to speak, to slide that knife inside them. It is and isn't as simple as it sounds.

While the trick with the sharp/dull knife works, it can be done with a sharp pencil but I wouldn't use a truly sharp knife inserted too deeply into a vagina.

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RE: information on knifeplay and fireplay - 2/27/2007 8:30:17 AM

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Master Fire,

Some more info on knifeplay will be much appreciated. I'm more than curious with this area and, so far, nothing doing so I've no experience to draw on. Anything will be appreciated to get a flavour of the various forms knifeplay can take (experiences etc).

First, I highly recommend learning this in person from someone who is qualified. That being said...

As a mind fuck: Sometimes, just showing the knife to someone is enough. However, it can be fun to go further with the mind fuck. Show the sharp knife (perhaps serve the submissive pieces of apple that you've cut off, then clean the blade in front of them), then blindfold them. When people are blindfolded, they can't really tell the difference between hot and cold or sharp and semi-sharp. To fake a cut, palm a piece of ice and let the water drip onto the dull blade, then run it over the skin. It'll feel like blood running. If you don't want to dull one of your knives, use an old credit card. Make sure you make a big deal and lots of noise about wearing gloves. Having a variety of knives to choose from so you can clink them around is fun, too. Shaving type motions. If you’re good, you can use a straight razor to shave larger surfaces. You can also use a slightly dull blade to scrape off wax. I’m not experienced in this area, but the technique I’ve seen is to have the blade fairly flat against the skin and pulling towards you. Be careful of moles and things.

As a sex tool: Cutting off clothes is very hot. You'll need a sharp knife. The smaller the amount you're trying to cut through, the less you'll struggle to cut it (and the cooler you look LOL). Pull the fabric away from the body, slowly and carefully go underneath it and pierce coming out (away from their body). If you don't want to cut, simply do the holes, then rip the fabric (don’t forget to put the knife away before you do this…you are likely to cut yourself AND you sub if you try to rip with the knife in your hand). You can also use the handle in various ways, but you'll need to figure out a safe and comfortable way of holding the blade. I don't recommend the sharp knife that that one! A dull knife blade run down the breast and over the nipple is just hot!

As blood play: The point of the knife can be dragged along the skin to make scratches. A light touch on the handle (just enough to be able to drag it) and simply the weight of the knife itself gives the lightest scratches, but even these might draw blood. Make sure the blade is flat against the body or, in the case of a single edge, up away from the body...if the blade is down, you will cut. If you want to do detailed cutting, I recommend a disposable scalpel rather than a knife, unless you are very good with a steady hand. You'll need to rest your hand against the body in order to control the depth in either case. This kind of play also needs a better knowledge of cleanliness and first aid. Wear gloves if you know blood will be drawn (unless you're fluid bound to your partner) and clean the area before and after. Learn to properly sterilize your knives after if you want to use them again. You can also make small nicks in muscular places that will draw blood. Doing this takes practice…fruit with a relatives tough skin, like a tomato, is good for practice (tomatoes are good for needle play practice, too).

I do cuttings. One thing you must know about cuttings is that the likelihood of scarring is high. To my regret, I've left marks on people that I didn't intend to leave (although we both knew and agreed on the risk therein). I've also left marks on people that I'm very, very happy they'll carry for a long while (as are they).

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RE: information on knifeplay and fireplay - 2/27/2007 8:40:16 AM

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Knife play runs the gambit from a mind fuck (I'm gonna cut you!) to an actual cutting. Fire play can involve several techniques incuding burning an alcohol mix on the skin, flash paper to fire cupping (creating suction with heat from fire). Some even use fire poi.

I highly recommend you go to demos to see them and to meet people who are competent in them if you're interested.

Master Fire

Do you know how one could find demonstrations? I've never come across any.

Here's a group in your area. http://www.nelaonline.org/. I don't currently see knife play on their calendar, but if you join the group, I'm sure you can find more people who are familiar with the other groups and larger events in your area.

Major national events often have more edgy stuff. Southeast Leather Fest (SELF) is having classes on both Erotic Knife Play and Cutting. http://www.seleatherfest.com/WorkShopsAlpha.php.

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RE: information on knifeplay and fireplay - 2/27/2007 8:43:50 AM

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Ive done knifeplay, to various degrees, from cutting clothes to cutting skin. I find the best part about the kifeplay is not the cutting itself, but the threat of the cut amd making sre that someone can feel the knife (or in my case sword) while you are talking to them. TElling them what you have planned. I love the mindfuck.
I have been dead curious about fireplay, but as far as I know there are never any advertised demos anywhere I hear about. Well, not until afterwards at least.

DV

Fire play demos at larger events are tricky due to fire marshal stuff. You'd really have to ask around to find someone in your area. I do fire play (imagine that!) and can teach some basics. Things I do: alcohol mix painted on skin, then flamed, fire painting, fire cupping and I'm currently learning fire poi.

Master Fire

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RE: information on knifeplay and fireplay - 2/27/2007 8:46:02 AM

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Much appreciated, Master Fire. All points taken on board.

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