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weird scenario where a vanilla friend was recruited to ... - 2/26/2007 7:23:49 PM   
azzmaster


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Status: offline 		a vanillayoung black male friend of mine in NYC was chattin on AOL to a good lookin young woman who gave him her #. he called her and a man answered. the man sounded old, he said, and started calling him master. the guy offered my friend 10k to impregnate his wife and take her to " black" clubs around the city and have all his friends fuck her in various ways in the club. ( i don't think my buddy knows any clubs where that would go down) but he wanted my buddy to sign some contract that he would have no claim to the child. my friend was horrified and refused. i told him i never heard of anyone going onto vanilla sites and pitching something that outragous
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RE: weird scenario where a vanilla friend was recruited... - 2/26/2007 7:39:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		She's gonna get arrested - just you wait and see. Not because what she is doing (or wants to do ) is necessarily illegal, but because she doesn't sound very smart - certainly not smart enough to protect herself from someone who'd want to beat her ass bloody because they find the idea extremely offensive. Good luck to her- she's gonna need it.

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RE: weird scenario where a vanilla friend was recruited... - 2/26/2007 7:47:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		That isn't something totally unheard of in the "vanilla" community, it doesn't involve any BDSM or any combination of those letters; of course they would have more luck within an alt arena but if people wanna fish with a gun instead of a pole.... There is nothing criminal about the proposition to pay someone to impregnant you and sign away all parental rights, that is the same idea behind sperm clinic. I can't see your vanilla friend being to shocked or insulted by the idea he is, after all, a friend of yours.

Edited to add: also the fantasy about a white woman having a black "stud" is as old as the days of Scarlet and I know an equal amount of black men that have fantasies that revolve around white woman. There are fetishes and fantasies for everything.

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RE: weird scenario where a vanilla friend was recruited... - 2/26/2007 7:53:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I might not be shocked at the idea; I'd be shocked at any presumption I'd want to do something like this, coming from someone who barely knew me.

No harm in asking I guess - but certainly, this is a situation that requires a person's full cooperation, and don't blame him for making it clear that NO is the answer (if he did).

I can't name one female who'd want to give away a child she carried for nine months - even though surrogate mothers exist, there shouldn't be a presumption all females want to do that - even for 10K.

I don't know  why the presumption should be different for males - even if they don't carry a child in pregnancy. It would be their own child they'd be signing away, after all - and some folks just don't want to sign away their children for money, I guess.
 
I don't have any problem with sperm banks - but this woman is involved in something shady, sounds like. Maybe not, but sounds likely - to me. Like an illegal adoption ring, or selling "black market" babies to desperate proespective adoptive parents. Undoubtedly, there is much money to be made in that area, too.   


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RE: weird scenario where a vanilla friend was recruited... - 2/26/2007 8:06:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		he felt it was manipulative because this pretty woman was just flirtin with him, didn't say she was married or anything, gives him her # and then boom he calls and an older man starts callin him master and layin this trip on him. i would have had sex with her if he was goin thru with it but i always use condoms, no random kidz 4 me

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RE: weird scenario where a vanilla friend was recruited... - 2/26/2007 8:09:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Selling black market babies is definitely illegal. If that is her area of endeavor here, I predict this woman will be in serious legal trouble, unless she is very careful. She doesn't sound like she cares, really. Whoever would cooperate with her (by signing away their rights to their child, even the father, not just the mother) could also be in serious legal trouble, if she's caught.

- Susan

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RE: weird scenario where a vanilla friend was recruited... - 2/26/2007 8:28:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		i got the impression that the husband wanted to humiliate her by all of this. i mean, he could just tell her to go out and pick up guys at clubs when she was ovulating, and how would the man that got her pregnant even know? the husband also wanted to sub to my friend who is not a dom and has a rather mild manner. THAT was very strange. the whole thing was pretty weird in the combination of the way it happened

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RE: weird scenario where a vanilla friend was recruited... - 2/26/2007 8:28:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Myabe she just wants a child of her own, and is kinky as well. To me that sounds possible, but unlikely. IMO, if she was doing this for kink reasons, she'd probably be on a bdsm website, or have kinky friends she could mediate this proposition through, instead. Also, if she just wants a child of her own, an attorney should be the inter-mediary here, not simply her or her husband (if that is even what this guy was, who answered the phone and called your friend "Master").

I predict she's gonna land in prison sometime in the near future, and let's hope she doesn't get a chance to pollute the gene pool by re-producing, before-hand. She deseves a "Darwin award" for her lack of foresight, IMO.

Another possibility is that she is involved or a victim of sex-trafficking, and is being forced to search for "willing sperm donor dads." Sad, but possible. In which case, whoever is runing this sad little side show is probably (hopefully) being watched by the Feds, and she deserves some prayers.

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RE: weird scenario where a vanilla friend was recruited... - 2/26/2007 8:29:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		ur right. and also if the hubby just wanted to see her gangbanged, why not just take her to an orgy? they live in NYC its not hard to find. why approach a vanilla guy. strange indeed

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RE: weird scenario where a vanilla friend was recruited... - 2/26/2007 8:29:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		No one said anything about selling babies on the black market. I would think it was just some sort of "breeder" fantasy on the womans part, nothing illegal with that. Or it could be a couple that can't have children and can't afford or get approved to adopt. Or this whole senerio could be bunk.......

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RE: weird scenario where a vanilla friend was recruited... - 2/26/2007 8:33:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		my 1st thought it that it was fantasy but they gave my friend their address and were begging him to come by. there was something pretty off about the whole thing, but it kind of offended me cause my friend is now thinking we are all manipulative in BDSM

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RE: weird scenario where a vanilla friend was recruited... - 2/26/2007 8:34:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		It'as beyond "harmless fantasy" when you start recruting people with paperwork that is legally binding and ask them to sign it.
If she really is not smart enough to know that, maybe she soon will find out.

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RE: weird scenario where a vanilla friend was recruited... - 2/26/2007 8:37:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not to mention she is recruiting unknwolegeable "vanillas" into her supposedly "harnless fanatsy". She has a screw loose, is extra stupid, or extra desperate. In any case, she (or anyone who might have forced her to do this) is really cruisin' for a legal bruisin' here, IMO. You may disagree, but that is my opinion. It is always best to do these things with a respected attorney. If she can't afford one, then she certainly cannot afford to be giving away 10K to potential sperm donor fathers, either. 

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RE: weird scenario where a vanilla friend was recruited... - 2/26/2007 8:41:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Also, anyone who lives in NYC should know that there are so many foster kids screaming to be taken care of they will adopt one out to people up to age 70 who are even single, the city are so desperate for prospective adoptive parents. If these folks "cannot qualify" to be adoptive parents, then maybe they shouldn't become adoptive parents, IMO.

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RE: weird scenario where a vanilla friend was recruited... - 2/26/2007 8:49:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		This "Scenario" seems very odd to me. Why not tell the whole story of what supposedly happened in the first post, rather than adding to the story as people reply to Your post.

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RE: weird scenario where a vanilla friend was recruited... - 2/26/2007 8:54:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		You are right; I disagree. I just do not see this as being something that would draw the attention of the law. They made an offer, he refused; things like this happen every day and usually w/o contracts. I know 2 lesbian couples that have done something similar, where they recuited a local man to father their children and he signed away his rights for a profit. For some people anyhing can be bought or sold and like everyone else they usually find each other.

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RE: weird scenario where a vanilla friend was recruited... - 2/26/2007 8:55:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not  a lawyer (my sister is, though). But -  the whole thing just sounds like a weird approach from soemone who simply wants a child of their own. Maybe that's my own predjudice talking. But if you were going to become a parent, wouldn't you be slightly more selective as far as who the potential father would be than to take your chances on a random  sperm donor, if you wanted that, you could just go to a sperm bank (and for a lot less moeny) ? I realize not all people think this way - it all just sound cock-eyed to me (pun intended)!

BDSM05478 - I bet your lesbian freinds consulted a lawyer, first, and that he drew up the legal paperwork. I am not saying it is wrong - just that this particular scenario sounds very suspicious to me - it just has too many holes in it (to me) - to douns like that is maybe what is going on here, that's all. Maybe it is, maybe it's not. I just think it's weird.

- Susan

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RE: weird scenario where a vanilla friend was recruited... - 2/26/2007 8:58:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I doubt she would follow through with the 10K, either. What is to prevent her from simply disappearing into the wood-work, once pregnant? When do the prospective sperm donor dads, supposedly get this money? That is another reason why I think a lawyer should be involved.

- Susan

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RE: weird scenario where a vanilla friend was recruited... - 2/26/2007 9:12:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Of course this situation is far fetched and lacking but then I knew that when I started reading. It has never made sense to me that everything else in this culture is regulated except procreation....... but I'm cynical tonight lol

edit: oh nm.

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RE: weird scenario where a vanilla friend was recruited... - 2/26/2007 9:14:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		If someone wants to get pregnant, I don't have any problem with that. I also don't have any problem with them getting prgnant as a result of a kink scenario, or with a contract. I just didn't hear mcuh about what this contract entailed, or if there was any lawyer involved. Because if there isn't, maybe there will be problems. i also cannot imagine someone claiming they can't afford a lwayer, when they are shelling out 10K to a sperm donor, when there are sperm banks that would cost a lot less. if all she wants is a kinky scene and a gang bang, then why pay 10K? It just sounds little too "desperate" to me to seem real, but maybe it is. The internet can be a useful tool, but aproaching random strangers with this proposal is going to draw as many (or more) folks that are shocked by her proposal and a few who might cooperate. Of course, all she needs is one person to cooperate.

As far as this drawing the attention of the Feds if there is some sex trafficking, black market adoptions, etc. going on here or something by someone unsavory - someone is a fool to believe  that internet sites aren't watched for this kind of thing, as ar as it being an indication of possible illegal activity. It's the same way they catch pedophiles, too. They bust 'em by watching what happens on websites, a lot of thee time. This woman might be above-board, if she's not, IMO she is walking along a very shaky fence, and has every chance of falling off.

- Susan

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