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RE: financial slavery - 3/5/2007 9:12:04 PM   
ownedgirlie


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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

...but from what i understand, in your situation, this was all your idea? so he never demanded or expressed a desire to hold all control over finances...yet you still feel as if this is something you must do? are you truly serving him in this case, or yourself and your own ideas of what a slave should be?


You know I rarely disagree with you prop, so bear with me here.  She offered/suggested it...it was her Master's option to accept or reject. Often in my slavery to my Master I have considered deeper ways of expressing myself to him and have offered such ways.  Sometimes he has allowed it and even enjoyed it, other times he says no.  In either case, yes, the slave is still serving the Master.  This would be no different than if a slave were to offer to rub her Master's feet, no?  She is offering a service which humbles her, diminishes her ego, and benefits him...and he accepts this offer.  Is she not serving him if she goes ahead and massages his feet after that?  Wouldn't this be a form of proactive service, rather than passive?  Yet it is still service, isn't it?

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RE: financial slavery - 3/5/2007 9:19:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Agreed- as long as it was offered freely and accepted freely, there is no issue. 

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RE: financial slavery - 3/5/2007 10:23:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

...but from what i understand, in your situation, this was all your idea? so he never demanded or expressed a desire to hold all control over finances...yet you still feel as if this is something you must do? are you truly serving him in this case, or yourself and your own ideas of what a slave should be?


You know I rarely disagree with you prop, so bear with me here.  She offered/suggested it...it was her Master's option to accept or reject. Often in my slavery to my Master I have considered deeper ways of expressing myself to him and have offered such ways.  Sometimes he has allowed it and even enjoyed it, other times he says no.  In either case, yes, the slave is still serving the Master.  This would be no different than if a slave were to offer to rub her Master's feet, no?  She is offering a service which humbles her, diminishes her ego, and benefits him...and he accepts this offer.  Is she not serving him if she goes ahead and massages his feet after that?  Wouldn't this be a form of proactive service, rather than passive?  Yet it is still service, isn't it?


I know this wasn't addressed to me, but thats kind of an interesting way to look at it.  I guess its in the way it makes you feel and not so much the act itself.  Some people like having what they wear controlled or how they speak, or whathaveyou.  I guess some like the idea of giving up control of the $$ too as just another aspect of your life that someone else has control over. 



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RE: financial slavery - 3/6/2007 8:42:47 AM   
mixielicous


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Status: offline 		thank you all for insight, [fast reply]

although i was hoping to see more responses from Masters who do spend slave money, its ok

i can see how savings in this situation are very important, and of course this is a reality both Master and i recognize [we may plan anything we want for our future, but who ever knows what the inevitable really is?]

i actually DO own my own health insurance [MA state law now] but i do buy it with my pay also.

amayos, you make my dreams sound so commendable, lol. is pure devotion that rare?

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RE: financial slavery - 3/6/2007 8:53:59 AM   
BOUNTYHUNTER


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Status: offline 		IF you call contributing to a house hold fund then YES I spend a slaves money,For this she receives shelter.food .clothing ,medical care,cars to drive, an education if I deem she needs more..ETC..THIS is part of the life that many refuse to see,that most slaves are well cared for and have most things they want and need.IN addition to the above also a saving or checking account in their name only..What more could a girl wish for to be happy ...bounty

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RE: financial slavery - 3/6/2007 9:27:17 AM   
mixielicous


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ORIGINAL: BOUNTYHUNTER
THIS is part of the life that many refuse to see,that most slaves are well cared for and have most things they want and need.IN addition to the above also a saving or checking account in their name only..What more could a girl wish for to be happy ...bounty


i agree. i am slave, but i will not deny the fact that Master pampers me, cares for me, and sees to all my needs. as i told Him just lastnight, i am a lucky, lucky girl. this is the big beautiful circle which prompts my servitude.

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RE: financial slavery - 3/6/2007 10:09:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well while I wasn't a total financial slave to my owner, he used my money to pay for trips and vacations and parties, usually ones we went on together.

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RE: financial slavery - 3/6/2007 10:26:45 AM   
mixielicous


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Status: offline 		yes, it has been decided that He will pay most of the bills, i do have a small portion of them to pay, the savings, and then my money will be used for fun schtuff:clothes, concerts, trips [when it isnt needed in other places]

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RE: financial slavery - 3/6/2007 10:48:53 AM   
daddysprop247


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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie


You know I rarely disagree with you prop, so bear with me here.  She offered/suggested it...it was her Master's option to accept or reject. Often in my slavery to my Master I have considered deeper ways of expressing myself to him and have offered such ways.  Sometimes he has allowed it and even enjoyed it, other times he says no.  In either case, yes, the slave is still serving the Master.  This would be no different than if a slave were to offer to rub her Master's feet, no?  She is offering a service which humbles her, diminishes her ego, and benefits him...and he accepts this offer.  Is she not serving him if she goes ahead and massages his feet after that?  Wouldn't this be a form of proactive service, rather than passive?  Yet it is still service, isn't it?


you are right, it would be proactive service. sometimes i forget that such service is actually desired or even encouraged by some Masters. see, i actually used to do a very similar sort of thing to what mixie is describing...i would (humbly, politely) go to my Master and offer or suggest different ways to serve him. however he did not find that behavior appropriate at all (was called presumptious or TFTB), and he had to train/condition me away from that habit. His way is, if there is something he wants of/from me, he will take it, or he will demand it. He does not want me "offering" anything. so that is where i was coming from when i asked the questions i did of mixie.

but as i said i do understand now that some Masters encourage such behavior. although, i would not place asking Master if he would like a foot massage in the same category as suggesting he control all finances. tho of course there could be plenty of Masters out there, mixie's Master among them, who appreciate offerings/suggestions from a slave to even that degree.

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RE: financial slavery - 3/6/2007 10:52:04 AM   
mixielicous


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ORIGINAL: mixielicous


daddysprop, i can see how what i have suggested could be viewed as topping from the bottom or something along those lines, but Master and i agreed [at least] the first year was our *learning* stage and suggestions are welcome. Master keeps Himself void of any online reading on BDSM, S/m, s&m for many reasons, but the main being my Master works at least 10 hours a day and when He gets home He does not want to research how to further our dynamics, but relies on me to pass on what knowledges i have gained on my own initiate, about a book, the RL community or anything else i find worth His time this suggestion i also do not feel as TFTB b/c Master has a kind sweet soul, and being a new Master, He is still leaning how to push limits and which are and arent out of reach. some may view it i suppose as TFTB, others as a helpful slave girl lol




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RE: financial slavery - 3/6/2007 11:02:04 AM   
daddysprop247


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Status: offline 		yes mixie i read that, i will confess tho to still being a bit confused as in my experiences even when a Dominant is "new" he's still pretty clear on being the one running the ship so to speak, so suggestions from his own slave especially on such a significant area still strike me as a bit odd. but then so does puppy play....just call me sheltered. :)

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RE: financial slavery - 3/6/2007 11:31:39 AM   
mixielicous


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Status: offline 		yes, well, success of the relationship we decided [before signing contracts] trumps all, including protocol, even if that includes a give and take/sharing approach from both sides in the beginning.

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RE: financial slavery - 3/6/2007 6:54:06 PM   
amayos


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ORIGINAL: mixielicous

Amayos, you make my dreams sound so commendable, lol. Is pure devotion that rare?


Considering the paradigm of devotion I know you and I are speaking of, yes, I believe it is.

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RE: financial slavery - 3/6/2007 7:30:01 PM   
BrainSlugs83


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Status: offline 		Stephan: you can take this lightly, but I always learn something reading your posts, you're amazing!

ownedgirlie: I almost completely agree, so long as there is no hidden agenda being secretly accomplished.  And this isn't a TV soap opera; so I agree.

daddysprop247: "he had to train/condition me away from that habit. His way is, if there is something he wants of/from me, he will take it, or he will demand it." -- Not to criticize, if that works for you two then great! But me? I'm not the smartest of people, and I've not yet had a sub whom I've not learned A LOT from (then again, I'm only on three now.) -- I read somewhere that you can look at it like being the captian of a ship -- what the captain says is final, he has all authority and responsibility, the first mate does what the cap says -- but the first mate is also there to advise the capt., etc... -- I don't remember the full analogy, but I think one of the coolest things about having a sub is the whole "two heads are better than one" approach to life.

mixie: "yes, well, success of the relationship we decided [before signing contracts] trumps all, including protocol, even if that includes a give and take/sharing approach from both sides in the beginning. " -- that's an amazingly cool idea. -- I'm keeping it.

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RE: financial slavery - 3/6/2007 7:41:01 PM   
andreaC


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ORIGINAL: cjenny

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ORIGINAL: Lashra
I don't have a financial slave/sub but I do have a sub who sends me part of his paycheck each week simply because the man does not know how to handle his own finances. Saving money is a foreign concept to him and one I am trying to teach him for his own good.

~Lashra


I have to admit it is a foreign concept to me as well, he is lucky to have someone willing to teach him the ins and outs of financial responsibility!


I have to say that manage a budget wasnt in my dictionary til Master took over my budget.  He does check if i withdraw money without asking him.  Anyway, once i am with Master for good, i will work.......that is my decision. it was something i was upfront with Master from the beginning, but i can say that i am surely glad that he is supervising my finance..........

Now i am in the mood for some shopping  *hides*

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RE: financial slavery - 3/6/2007 7:55:37 PM   
ownedgirlie


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ownedgirlie: I almost completely agree, so long as there is no hidden agenda being secretly accomplished.  And this isn't a TV soap opera; so I agree.


BrainSlugs:  No, hidden agendas have no place in my slavery to him, and in fact are too foreign to me to conceive of.

prop:  thank you for your reply.  Ours are different circumstances.  I have been taught to learn him and know him and actively seek out ways that may please him even more.  Mind you, taking such ways upon myself would be inappropriate, but asking if he would like and/or allow it is acceptable to him. 

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RE: financial slavery - 3/6/2007 8:37:21 PM   
BrainSlugs83


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Status: offline 		OG: "BrainSlugs:  No, hidden agendas have no place in my slavery to him, and in fact are too foreign to me to conceive of."
Like I said, this isn't a murder-mystery soap opera... As a programmer I always think of really wierd exceptions that "break the rules" -- usually they're off in left field, if not outer-fucking-space -- it's a part of my job, these things pop into my head; and sometimes it makes no sense in casual conversation.

Example 2: I asked unamed-slave girl to come to unnamed-event wearing a dress -- I made very sure to specify it was a casual dress -- not one of those ren-fair poofy dresses -- she knew this anyway, and responded questioning why I would even have to specify that. -- Her response was very valid -- and yours in reply is also!  Thanks for correcting me.


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RE: financial slavery - 3/6/2007 8:45:03 PM   
ownedgirlie


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Status: offline 		Thanks BrainSlug (interesting name, btw!).  I work with you programmer-types so I'm aware of the thought process and anomaly seeking, lol. So, not a problem on the "correction" and what is obvious for me is not necessarily so for others, so it's good to ask. :)

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RE: financial slavery - 3/6/2007 9:59:25 PM   
BrainSlugs83


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Side thought:  I've been considering this idea for a moment now, and I have to admit that I'm not all that great managing money. (that's being generous on my part, actually.)  And I've come to the conclusion, that for me, it would be nice to have a responsible sub (money wise) manage our money instead of me (if/when that becomes an option) -- I don't really think I'd give her control / etc -- warning: bad analogy of the evening #2 -- I kind of see it like the manager of a store vs. the owner of the store.  

The manager of the store does all the work (money/budget managing included) -- the owner does the directing/etc.  I think this style might suite me; but it also has some obvious forseeable problems.  So I suppose she'd have to demonstrate that she's better at managing money than am I, and instill quite a bit of trust before I would hand something like this over to her; but IMHO it might just be a good idea.

* wishes he never had to deal with money again! haha *

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RE: financial slavery - 3/6/2007 10:33:28 PM   
ownedgirlie


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Status: offline 		It could simply be a task you have her do.  This does not mean you are not in control of spending.  Think of a bookkeeper function.

Or you could send ME all your money and I'd be happy to...um...manage it for ya.

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