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SweetBobbie -> RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! (3/9/2007 6:31:02 AM)

OK, first i am a physician with 15 years of experience in correctional medicine and thirty years of experience in Ob-Gyn.  During my work in corrections i was involved in the treatment of numerous HIV positive patients and in consultation with Infectious Disease specialists from two universities including Johns Hopkins.  HIV is indeed a VERY fragile virus, most STD's are very fragile, and requires blood to blood or fluid to blood contact in order to pass from person to person.  The GI tract in itself is not a common method of transmission and when it occurs it is because of abrasions, tears or ulcers not because of passage through intact mucous membranes.  Gastric acid or dilute bleach solutions or 70% alcohol will kill the virus.  Indeed even early epidemiological studies gave doubt to oral genital transfer in lesbians as HIV was much much lower in them than in gay males or heterosexual males or females.  That said since abrasions, cuts, tears and ulcers are common it the mouth and rectum especially and HIV is strongly present in semen (though not as much in vaginal fluids) i would not recommend casual oral sex any more than casual vaginal or anal sex without protection.



tasha_tart -> RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! (3/9/2007 12:57:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Royalton

The best deal for unprotected sex is pre-testing of both partners and monogamy.



Always bearing in mind the 12 week window for effective testing (i.e. a test today is only accurate for potential exposures of 12 weeks or more in the past.)
 
Tasha



tasha_tart -> RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! (3/9/2007 1:00:03 PM)

There are enough other nasties that are rather more easily spread during oral sex, such as herpes, and which may be symptomless in the infected person, to make condom use a good idea.
 
Tasha



amenableboy -> RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! (3/9/2007 6:00:10 PM)


>abrasions, cuts, tears and ulcers are common it the mouth and rectum especially and HIV is strongly present in semen >(though not as much in vaginal fluids) i would not recommend casual oral sex any more than casual vaginal or anal sex >without protection.

Ah, well, very good point, but I probably would be more fearful, personally, of the other STDs that may be acquired in any given oral sex encounter. That's just me though. Suppose it is up to every individual to review the available data and decide how comfortable they are with oral sex in general in terms of HIV. And, speaking of which, tasha_tart wrote:

>There are enough other nasties that are rather more easily spread during oral sex, such as herpes,  >and  which may be symptomless in the infected person, to make condom use a good idea.

I have always been curious about this, and the information I find on various areas of the Web is often a bit contradictory (much like the HIV information floating around out there). How likely is it that things such as herpes, syphillis, gon and other STDs (aside from HIV) will be passed during oral sex. I have done my fair share of giving it, and have never picked up anything, but that is anecdotal at best. What are your thoughts on this?





defiantbadgirl -> RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! (3/9/2007 6:14:25 PM)

Both oral and genital herpes can be passed very easily from oral sex whether a person has sores or not (viral shedding). HSV-1 and HSV-2 can both appear on the genitals. Almost everyone has some form of herpes. I'd be alot more worried about HIV and Hepatitis C.



lilsubl -> RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! (3/9/2007 11:17:15 PM)

my understanding from what i have read is that other types of STD's can be spread through the swallowing of semen...these include chlamydia, gonorrhea, & syphyllis, none of which i want to have......



bettie1959 -> RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! (3/10/2007 12:29:14 PM)

Wether it is correct or not, you still have alot of mucosa that can absorb the virus between the lips and the path to the stomach.  So really, the stomach acids effect on the virus is a  non issue. 



amenableboy -> RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! (3/10/2007 4:34:06 PM)


Actually, absent significant cuts or abrasions in the mouth, or ulcers, I am not sure that HIV is absorbed in the mucosal membranes of the oral cavity, or of the throat. At least not easily. Combine that fact with the fact that saliva seems to kill HIV, and perhaps it is clearer why HIV does not seem to be transmitted very easily by either being the receptive or giving partner in oral sex scenarios.

Of course, that is not to say that I run around engaging in oral sex with everyone I meet. I still play safe, just in case (besides HIV, there are plenty of other STDs that are more readily transmitted during oral sex).



amenableboy -> RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! (3/10/2007 4:38:08 PM)


>I'd be alot more worried about HIV and Hepatitis C.

HVC, or Hepatitis C, is not often passed by sexual activity, and as far as I know, there is no evidence that it is passed at all during oral sex. You may be thinking of Hepatitis B, which is an STD. The good news is that there is a Hepatitis B vaccine.



JSin -> RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! (3/12/2007 11:27:57 PM)

    I would actually like to see one validated case of transmission without some alternate route <ie lesions or sores in the oral cavity> of transmission of HIV.... That being said there are plenty of other reasons HSVI and HSVII as well as HEP to use barrier methods during oral sex..

The decision ultimately lies with the participants. If the risk is acceptable to you then go ahead

JSin



Seawolf3465 -> RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! (3/14/2007 4:45:43 AM)

Another way of tranmission is evidently thru the tearducts in the eyes.  The mucus membranes in the eyes is a direct link into the bloodstream.  So be careful about getting facials, not to mention cum in the eye hurts like hell.  I got this info when I was doing some volunteer work at an Aids project out in So Cal.  Maybe safety goggles or swimmers googles are in order? 



Aswad -> RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! (4/6/2007 11:00:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tasha_tart

Always bearing in mind the 12 week window for effective testing (i.e. a test today is only accurate for potential exposures of 12 weeks or more in the past.)


As far as I know, the window is 6 months, meaning that if you keep the partner in your house for 6 months, and then take a test, you're essentially safe, but anything less will only be as reliable as the fidelity of your partner. As this just isn't a realistic option for most of us, condoms remain the only safe and realistic choice when multiple partners may be involved.

The risk of contracting HIV from oral sex is fairly small, but it is still beyond what I'd consider acceptable risk for most people. And HIV isn't the only concern; some of the other STDs out there are a lot more likely to infect via oral sex than HIV is, and they can be just as much of a problem.




MistressSassy66 -> RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! (4/8/2007 9:22:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: myobedience

I am a firm believer this was too BIG of an error to not bring it to this side of the forum boards !!
 
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ORIGINAL: azzmaster
stomach acids nutralize HIV virus,


This mis-information has really bothered me, so I went straight away to google and found these articles
http://www.catie.ca/tu.nsf/df739470490ae50d8525717f0061769d/5dbbbcc00a7749f5852571ca00742636!OpenDocument

http://www.thebody.com/cfa/drug_interactions.html

http://www.thebody.com/sfaf/summer05/interactions.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didanosine

What these articles say is in direct opposition to assman's information.......
Too sum it all up....
HIV meds tend to eat the wall of the stomach lining causing gastritis----> meds taken to conteract/give relief from gastritis are known as antacids ----> which, when taken, may lead to mal-absorption of medications, such as ones for HIV.

Ever noticed your antibiotic script bottle directs "do NOT take milk with this medication?"  Milk also interfers with the absorption of many antibiotics.

I had to revisit this tonight cause it was such wrong and incorrect information !!
BE PROPERLY INFORMED !!

RN, BSN, PINP
License and Provider Number given to those who think I am a fake. 



While I dont think your a fake....I have read several articles about the stomach.
And the acid in your stomach can indeed KILL bacteria and viruses even.

RISKS come when the stomach has ulcers or other spots where the lining may be thin and it seeps out  and into your body.



myobedience -> RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! (4/8/2007 9:36:13 AM)

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