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RE: Irv (Scooter ) Takes One For The Team. - 3/6/2007 3:39:49 PM   
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I almost am done getting my degree in political science at one of the top five universities in the Midwest.  Cheney does nothing because he is the vice president.  His sole power is to cast the tying vote in the senate. 


What are they teaching you guys in political science these days?  You are about to graduate from one of the "top" universities yet you honestly believe Cheney doesn't have more influence than that????  Child, puhleez..........put down the cup and step away from the kool-aid  
 
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RE: Irv (Scooter ) Takes One For The Team. - 3/6/2007 4:50:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually Bountyhunter, Valerie Plame was classified as undercover, the fact that she was working out of Washington, at the time, does not mitigate that fact.  She had been working between the US and the Middle East for a long while on (and infact, had spearheaded) a covert operation which was closely montoring the nuclear arms race in the middle east.  Not only was her cover blown in this leak, but the entire operation was completely compromised.  I will supply a quote from the official Federal Prosecutors brief below (I have bolded the more relevant parts):

FITZGERALD:  "Before I talk about those charges and what the indictment alleges, I'd like to put the investigation into a little context.
Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer. In July 2003, the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified. Not only was it classified, but it was not widely known outside the intelligence community.
Valerie Wilson's friends, neighbors, college classmates had no idea she had another life.

The fact that she was a CIA officer was not well- known, for her protection or for the benefit of all us. It's important that a CIA officer's identity be protected, that it be protected not just for the officer, but for the nation's security.
Valerie Wilson's cover was blown in July 2003. The first sign of that cover being blown was when Mr. Novak published a column on July 14th, 2003."

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RE: Irv (Scooter ) Takes One For The Team. - 3/6/2007 4:56:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think all covert officers should be protected,Her husband bragged all over Washington that he was married to an agent was part of not the whole of the problem..BH

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RE: Irv (Scooter ) Takes One For The Team. - 3/6/2007 5:00:13 PM   
puella


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Status: offline 		I think you need to read that quote again.  The line about Wilson bragging about his wife is pure clap trap put out by Rush and his ilk, requiring no proof or investigation... just another talking point.. say it enough, people will believe it.  Prosecutor Fitzgerald spent part of his time on the investigation making sure that she was classified, and that her identity was not common knowledge, not even to friends and neighbors.

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RE: Irv (Scooter ) Takes One For The Team. - 3/6/2007 5:21:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby has been found guilty on four of five counts in his perjury and obstruction of justice trial.





I heard a very astute observer say the other day  '' If Libby is convicted and is sentenced to 30 years in jail then they’ll be no war with Iran. If Libby is convicted and then slapped on the wrist with a three to four year sentence, well then things are up in the air. But if Libby is acquitted, hold onto your hats because the neocons got their guy outa trouble and we will see an attack on Iran very soon ''  

As for my Personal opinion…..regardless of what the jury thinks, the neocons take care of their own. And Libby will be pardoned one way or another ; it’s just a matter of time.  

The Libby situation is really no different than that of Elliot Abrams, Otto Reich or Clare George; they all lied in the Iran contra hearings and two were convicted of felonies and then pardoned by Bush senior.  

Abrams, a convicted felon, is now second in charge of the national security council under the director Steven Hadley.

So yeah Dude..... Libby's been convicted, but its not the same as if you and I were. Look to see Libby as an esteemed director or ''prestigious fellow'' of some think tank / political reseach institute with Trosky / Staussien leanings in the next few years. Then who knows...when the neocons fool the masses / television-watchers again with their clever rhetoric, he could come back onboard like Abrams in another administration.



These people never leave for good....they just take short vacations






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RE: Irv (Scooter ) Takes One For The Team. - 3/6/2007 5:24:36 PM   
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RE: Irv (Scooter ) Takes One For The Team. - 3/6/2007 9:15:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: puella

No kidding Utopian Ranger, he just earned himself a corner office in the Carlisle Group.



Most definitely Puella.

Crooks of this nature rarely ever go to jail for their transgressions. They're pardoned, then they lay low for a while, then they become part of lobbying firms, defense contractors or members of think tanks that formulate policy for a new incoming administration.
Sad but true.

http://www.blythe.org/nytransfer-subs/Central_America/Iran-Contra_Felons_Get_Good_Jobs_from_Bush

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clair_George

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliott_Abrams

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Reich






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RE: Irv (Scooter ) Takes One For The Team. - 3/7/2007 7:57:17 AM   
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RE: Irv (Scooter ) Takes One For The Team. - 3/7/2007 8:07:27 AM   
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Pardoned?
Like Susan McDougal..
who had already completed her sentence, was pardoned for her role in the Whitewater scandal; McDougal had served 18 months on contempt charges for refusing to testify about Clinton's role.
Maybe

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RE: Irv (Scooter ) Takes One For The Team. - 3/7/2007 8:09:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		He'll get a pass. He did his job and stopped the investigation before Cheney was dragged down.

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RE: Irv (Scooter ) Takes One For The Team. - 3/7/2007 9:11:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fitzgerald has already made it clear that he has no plans to go after anyone else. He has no evidence other than one man who lied in court.

Wilson has no case either because he thought it was cool having a wife in the CIA that is undercover. He made sure everyone he met knew about it.

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RE: Irv (Scooter ) Takes One For The Team. - 3/7/2007 10:02:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why does everyone insist on repeating misinformation? 

Fitzgerald said that he would be willing to pursue these issues further if the new congress wanted to invest itself in the process. He also said that the vice president is definately in a dark cloud.

He also investigated the claims you made about Joe Wilson and found that not even their closest friends and neighbors knew about Valerie Plame's work.  He made a statement about that, which I have POSTED PREVIOUSLY.... good lord, y'all.

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RE: Irv (Scooter ) Takes One For The Team. - 3/7/2007 10:49:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dick Cheney is definitely still on the table if it comes down to keeping Bush out of the hot seat, don't delude yourselves.

Irv's testimony did EXACTLY what it needed to do, which is insulate Cheney from Fitzgerald's probe. If it took convictions on four felony counts of the Chief of Staff of the Vice President, then so be it.

Whatever happened to "Restoring Honor and Integrity to the White House"? Just another lie among many?



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RE: Irv (Scooter ) Takes One For The Team. - 3/7/2007 10:55:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: puella

Actually Bountyhunter, Valerie Plame was classified as undercover, the fact that she was working out of Washington, at the time, does not mitigate that fact.  She had been working between the US and the Middle East for a long while on (and infact, had spearheaded) a covert operation which was closely montoring the nuclear arms race in the middle east.  Not only was her cover blown in this leak, but the entire operation was completely compromised.  I will supply a quote from the official Federal Prosecutors brief below (I have bolded the more relevant parts):

FITZGERALD:  "Before I talk about those charges and what the indictment alleges, I'd like to put the investigation into a little context.
Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer. In July 2003, the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified. Not only was it classified, but it was not widely known outside the intelligence community.
Valerie Wilson's friends, neighbors, college classmates had no idea she had another life.

The fact that she was a CIA officer was not well- known, for her protection or for the benefit of all us. It's important that a CIA officer's identity be protected, that it be protected not just for the officer, but for the nation's security.
Valerie Wilson's cover was blown in July 2003. The first sign of that cover being blown was when Mr. Novak published a column on July 14th, 2003."


So the CIA had a "Nationwide Search" and they came up with Ms Valerie?
No "political connections" involved I'm sure!
And she didn't bypass any CIA Agents with much more seniority than her when she was doing her "spearheading?" Right?
Is she in the govt. retirement system, on her own?
The CIA often deals with "operatives" on an "informal basis."
I'm leaning towards "dilletante."
Oh I'm SURE that politics had nothing to do with it.
Our Taxdollars at work again.

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RE: Irv (Scooter ) Takes One For The Team. - 3/7/2007 10:56:08 AM   
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Why does everyone insist on repeating misinformation? 

Fitzgerald said that he would be willing to pursue these issues further if the new congress wanted to invest itself in the process. He also said that the vice president is definately in a dark cloud.

He also investigated the claims you made about Joe Wilson and found that not even their closest friends and neighbors knew about Valerie Plame's work.  He made a statement about that, which I have POSTED PREVIOUSLY.... good lord, y'all.


The Democrats cant even agree on whether or not to support Bush's troop increase. You think they can agree on this? Nancy Pelosi said that she has no intentions of impeachment hearings of the Bush administration.

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RE: Irv (Scooter ) Takes One For The Team. - 3/7/2007 11:06:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Whether or not, their hands may be forced? See the AP wire? Town Meeting all through Vermont have voted, in some cases unanimously to Impeach Bush/Cheney.

At some point the VT State Legislature will get it, and IIRC, they can forward a Bill to the House of Representatives, where their reps can introduce it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20070307/cm_thenation/1172344;_ylt=Avi.i_JGcfkpQXQzg_ZPE0wDW7oF

VT Gov. Jim Douglas' hometown is on record for the impeachment, since Jim's a (R) that's going to be kinda uncomfortable.



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RE: Irv (Scooter ) Takes One For The Team. - 3/7/2007 4:10:15 PM   
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Fitzgerald has already made it clear that he has no plans to go after anyone else. He has no evidence other than one man who lied in court.

Wilson has no case either because he thought it was cool having a wife in the CIA that is undercover. He made sure everyone he met knew about it.


I have very little hope that the Dem's won't fuck this opportunity over, cyberdude 611, they usually do.. however that has nothing to do with what you stated, that which I corrected on your behalf.  Do not forget that this mess started with the Republican stranglehold on the Legislative and Executive branch.  This conviction could open up the door for Fitzgerald to carry on from whence he had "sand thrown in his eyes".  Even the jurors spoke out in anger, wanting to know why Rove, Cheney and Armitage are not being brought up on charges.  Also relevant is the fact the the Judicial branch was  (and is now being uncovered) to have been compromised as well, with federal prosecutors being sacked for no reason other than doing just what Fitzgerald was dong... non partisan investigations uncovering Republican dirty laundry.

You stated that Wilson has no case because he was running around town showing off his CIA wife to all of DC... which is a blatant falsehood which has been categorically debunked.  You also insinuated that Fitzgerald had no other prosecutorial leverage, which, if you read anything at all about the trial, is totally untrue.  Even the Republicans are running away from the taint of Cheney.  The fact is, the leak investigation (brought to the federal prosecutors office by the CIA itself) had to be halted because of all the lies stymieing the process (SEE PREVIOUS POST).  If the Congress decided to engage Fitzgerald again, this could in fact be further delved into.

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RE: Irv (Scooter ) Takes One For The Team. - 3/7/2007 4:13:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Fargle... did you see the latest to add to the list of people who are reconsidering impeachment for Bush... here's a clue, it's not a Democrat!

Chuck Hagel... he did an interview in Forbes?  I think?  that is coming out soon and it was released that he considers it an option still very much on the table.

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RE: Irv (Scooter ) Takes One For The Team. - 3/7/2007 4:29:16 PM   
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