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RE: Make this a paid site! - 4/10/2005 2:51:05 AM

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I don't understand why any of you are bothering to respond to OceanSlave. After he started his "perverta like" behaviour, I'd have expected people to disengage.

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RE: Make this a paid site! - 4/10/2005 3:08:31 AM

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I do like the idea of collarme having a few more search options. - I'm fine with the OP's suggestions of what gender you want to have contacting you and who you are here to meet. I'm even fine with charging anyone who is a Pro for using the site a small ($5) fee to cover their bandwidth. They are making money from the site (or attempting to) and should be putting back into it. The problem with that is all the people who would then pretend to be lifestyle and post ads, then ambush the poor applicants. We have enough of that problem now with people who don't want to be thought of as "Pro" and still want tribute.

I also like the relationship/Pro goal search option, but feel it would be better if it indicated more than just lifestyle relationship since not all who are seeking are looking for a relationship. A casual play option in there would round it out.

I've no clue how body type as opposed to numeric weight would solve anything unless someone is ONLY searching for a certain body type..

*blows Padriag a kiss for the idea of donating programming time to CollarMe* That is a wonderful idea. My housemate is a very high lvl programmer (CTO) and I've several times wished he knew about what I do (BDSM) so I could ask him to help out CollarMe. He's one of my best friends and suspects my orientation, but is very vanilla himself. I don't feel it is fair to burden him with the details of my sexuality any more than I want to know his. It is wonderful to see someone else who actually has (or will have) the skills needed with the idea of volunteering. I personally wish there was some skill I could donate to CollarMe. I've been planning on volunteering the next time they ask for Mod help.

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RE: Make this a paid site! - 4/10/2005 3:58:49 AM

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*blows Padriag a kiss for the idea of donating programming time to CollarMe* That is a wonderful idea.

Thank you

I don't mind helping out where I can, I've got a book on VB Scripting now and will be picking up one on PHP scripting next. Its sort of a happy coincedence, I've been updating my personal site and am no longer happy with the MIVA scripting I had been using. After a bit of research I decided PHP scripting would best suit my future needs, which currently include a simple email form, web counter and guest book. Later I may add a small msg forum on my site for folks who want to discuss the contents of the site. When I get my lifestyle site up (which is separate from my personal site), I'll copy the format there, so I'll have to learn some of this stuff anyway. Long as I'm learning it, if I can help out here a bit why not.

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RE: Make this a paid site! - 4/10/2005 6:15:06 AM

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I guess..(back to the original subject) it's sounding like the majority tend to agree that keeping CM a free site would be in everyone's best interest. Perhaps some additional search options would be a perk, but it also sounds like soliciting (or just accepting offers) for sideline programming might be an answer there. In one of the other boards it was noted that with increased search options it would in fact take more time to "sort" the database, increased processing time may not be the best thing to add at this point. I would be all for the age verification if there was an alternative method for those without credit cards, since on occasion in the chat room I have wondered if the "youngin" I was talking to was actually of legal age. But again, the burdon is really on the chatter, careful observation will usually weed these out. Is there a universal answer..hmm, probably not one all would agree with. I am certain the creaters and supporters of CM are looking at some of the legitimate posts in this thread, only reason I can figure the Mods are tolerating some of the posts. But in all seriousness, if CM continues to grow they will need funds to keep it going, even if it's just time (labor) required, that as well can be a valuable commodity. I have tried to maintain websites before and it does take a lot of time and energy to do so. As an option to members paying (I know this won't go over well..lol), perhaps as an alternative there could be a merchant site with advertising or links to merchandise. No worse than decals on the side of racecars for sponsorship...but if they do I hope it's not that "in your face" pop-up type advertising. But the vendors could pay a fee for the exposure which may in turn bring in the funding to add some of the search options many have spoke of and also the supporting hardware. I would think this would be a more viable alternative than having a fee and losing many of the members. This way even if you were on here for only chat, or the forums, or even if you were a troll, you wouldn't be laying out cash for a package when you only are interested in a small portion of the functionality. I HONESTLY believe as a BDSM community we need to strive to keep CM together and work with them as much as possible to make this the best damned BDSM site on the net...I don't know about the rest of you but having to pull up stakes and move to another "potential" BDSM home gets to be old after a while. Even aside from the occasional hostile debate I still consider lifestylers" my extended family and to be quite frank..I like it here.

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RE: Make this a paid site! - 4/10/2005 6:28:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: OceanSlave

Kudos to the what, four people, who live their lives in this forum?

As for me... I am going to create a fake female Domme profile... Scream at people and rant and whine in the journal (since you all seem to excuse that behavior).

And you know what? I'm going to ask for money, from the men.

I'll attach a fake picture, from one of the other Domme profiles here, and tell men to "tribute" me. Woo-hoo! It'll be like fighting city hall!! :)

I have to create a PayPal account, and of course, a phony CollarMe account. So y'all still think this should be a free, unlimited site? Just wait.. I mean this sincerely... I'll let you know within a few days how much money I reel in from unsuspecting suckers, courtesy of this website.

Wow! So I log off and go to have sex with my husband and this yahoo keeps on posting and posting and ranting that we don't have a life?

And then, mr. master debater (should say masturbator since even with his inflated salary his inflated ego can't attract a mate) keeps on going with this?

And his superb "debate" skills have him asking me if I am "drunk" because I did not read correctly the salary on one of TWO of his accounts? As if I think either are real? Obviously he's making pennies somewhere, and everything online is a large lie to compensate for his loser qualities.

I really do feel sorry for you OceanSlave/Lifelongchastity. I'm off to the gym.

Akasha

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RE: Make this a paid site! - 4/10/2005 6:39:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: OceanSlave

I have found this entirely amusing.

Do any of you get any fresh air? Maybe that would help with your weight problems. And, maybe getting a part-time job would help with your financial problems, as indicated by more than one of you.

Frankly, I have better uses for my time than to talk to (what?) four people who live their lives in this forum.

I find it entirely sad that you need a sock puppet to nod and agree with you.

Do you ever get tired of going around posing to be someone other then yourself? You must have a very sad primary personality to always want to be someone else.

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RE: Make this a paid site! - 4/10/2005 6:57:33 AM

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LdyAuburn, I don't think the OP took into consideration the fact that this site has members literally all over the world; if payment had to be made in US dollars that might make it even more difficult for some.

You make an excellent point cellogrrlMK, in a lot of other countries they pay by the minute to be online as it is, with the exception of those that use their computers at work, so to add to that by making this a pay site would be a hardship that would mean we loose a lot of people that wouldn't have any other option. I have a friend in a different country that has to go to a cyber cafe to get here, if it weren't for this being a free site I would have never had the opportunity to meet him. I think it's wonderful that collarme has given even people in third world countries the chance to meet like minded people from all over the world.

Thank you for one more excellent reason to keep it free.

Jewel

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RE: Make this a paid site! - 4/10/2005 7:02:31 AM

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Wow! So I log off and go to have sex with my husband and this yahoo keeps on posting and posting and ranting that we don't have a life?

It's been said before but it's worth repeating... AAkasha you rock!

We had a great nights sleep here and she/he/it continued through the night apparently, I understand insomnia, been there, done that.... perhaps some serious exercise will help, do something to wear yourself out Ocean, you'll sleep better.

Jewel

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RE: Make this a paid site! - 4/10/2005 7:08:13 AM

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You make an excellent point cellogrrlMK, in a lot of other countries they pay by the minute to be online as it is, with the exception of those that use their computers at work, so to add to that by making this a pay site would be a hardship that would mean we loose a lot of people that wouldn't have any other option. I have a friend in a different country that has to go to a cyber cafe to get here, if it weren't for this being a free site I would have never had the opportunity to meet him. I think it's wonderful that collarme has given even people in third world countries the chance to meet like minded people from all over the world.

Thank you for one more excellent reason to keep it free.

Good morning Jewel. <nods in acknowledgement of your kudos>

Some people think that every other place in the world is just like the US when it comes to going online. They either live in a vacuum or fit the ugly American stereotype <VBG>

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RE: Make this a paid site! - 4/10/2005 7:12:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: LifelongChastity

Now, before I posted this originally, I knew there would not be one single person who'd agree with me. But I think I gave some very credible, highly reasoned arguments in support.

Not really. And if you knew no one would agree, then why did you post it? You knew it would never gain support, because alt is by far one of the worst BDSM related community sites on the web. (as per the opinion of probably 99.9% of those on the internet) since alt.com is part of the adultfriendfinder network, which translates directly into "cybersex network" which can translate directly into "a whole lot of fake people, who only want cybersex". Further proof, would be the sheer number of crap emails I recieve from people on that site, who havent a clue.

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RE: Make this a paid site! - 4/10/2005 8:11:40 AM

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I always find it highly amusing when people try to insult others for posting online BY posting online.

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RE: Make this a paid site! - 4/10/2005 8:15:23 AM

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I always find it highly amusing when people try to insult others for posting online BY posting online.

<grins at EmeraldSlave> You are very good at being succinct and to the point... are you an Aries by any chance?

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RE: Make this a paid site! - 4/10/2005 8:18:44 AM

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There are a lot of possibilities to consider, if we want all these extra features, then the site is probably going to have to generate income. But there are a lot of options besides charging for memberships. For example, add an auction board to the site something like eBay but primarily for kinky goods... course they could allow non kinky goods as well I suppose. I'm sure there are a number of members here who make floggers, whips, leather goods, etc. Giving them a place to sell those goods would benefit them. Here's a little math. Suppose the auction board closed $1000 worth of auction sales per business day. And lets say the site gets an average 5% commision on those sales. That's $50 per day to the site, with an average of 20 business days per month, that's $1,000 per month in revenue without ever having to charge for memberships or anything else... and adding one more service the site offers. That might not pay for the cost of the site, but it would certainly offset it quite a bit. To really make it successful, the site would need to make it very convenient for people to sell things through auctions or an online store here, that's part of what made eBay successful, its easy to place an item for auction there. An online store is another option, again... the site gets a commission. The site could also offer its own merchandise... coffee mugs, t shirts... though I would suggest they find better product than that. Most likely coffee mugs and t-shirt are not going to sell that well. But for example, ever seen those laser hologram crytal things? Its a plastic cube with a 3D "sculpture" etched inside with a laser... sits on a base that lights it up with LED lights. Did you know that you can buy those in bulk pretty easy, even have custom designs made? Wonder how well some of those would sell in an online store with kinky and adult themes? If CM had an online store they could buy them in bulk and sell them for a profit. Creative ideas like that could make a CM product line work. There are also a variety of adult product they could buy wholesale an retail here if they the site management is of a mind to do so.

If they want to charge for memberships... do this. Go with "gold memberships" that offer more advanced search features, email options, and profile options. Did you know there are companies that do personality tests that will set up a test on your web site at low cost? How cool would it be if gold memberships could take a kinky personality test, one professionally done, an include that as part of your search options? That would leave the regular memberships still free with all the current options left alone... gold memberships would cost something, but would offer new stuff. That's a possible compromise I would think.

I agree, with some effort on all our parts we can turn this into the best BDSM site on the web and make it a very fine place to call home.

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RE: Make this a paid site! - 4/10/2005 8:24:01 AM

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For example, add an auction board to the site something like eBay but primarily for kinky goods... course they could allow non kinky goods as well I suppose. I'm sure there are a number of members here who make floggers, whips, leather goods, etc. Giving them a place to sell those goods would benefit them.

What an awesome idea.. I've done searches on ebay for pervertables, not an easy task most of the time, it would be great to be able to go to a site that specializes in such items. An online store would be ok, but the idea of an auction is better, lets face it, everyone likes to think they're getting a good deal, not to mention the thrill of being the highest bidder! I wonder how difficult that would be?

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RE: Make this a paid site! - 4/10/2005 9:12:37 AM

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Really? I don't see all the bitterness on women's profiles on Alt, as I see here. In fact, the difference is night and day.

The problem with alt is that if you're not a paid member you can't see ANY profiles unless the person has their settings just right. While i don't think that looking at a profile makes someone "safe" it at least gives me a starting point for an email or chat, or the ability to say "no thanks". i try to write everyone who writes me first, but i've gotten so i don't bother is they send one-liners, their "note" is just a copy of their profile, or if their profile is blank, or the next thing to it. Just my preference of course, but i'd hate so see this place go to "paid". The people are great, the forums useful, AND..there's a link on the site to make donations if you want to help them "upgrade" their services.

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RE: Make this a paid site! - 4/10/2005 12:54:29 PM

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For example, add an auction board to the site something like eBay but primarily for kinky goods... course they could allow non kinky goods as well I suppose. I'm sure there are a number of members here who make floggers, whips, leather goods, etc. Giving them a place to sell those goods would benefit them.

What an awesome idea.. I've done searches on ebay for pervertables, not an easy task most of the time, it would be great to be able to go to a site that specializes in such items. An online store would be ok, but the idea of an auction is better, lets face it, everyone likes to think they're getting a good deal, not to mention the thrill of being the highest bidder! I wonder how difficult that would be?

Jewel

There is a site for that Jewel - http://www.fetishauctioneer.com/auctions.htm

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RE: Make this a paid site! - 4/10/2005 12:57:22 PM

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I don't understand why any of you are bothering to respond to OceanSlave. After he started his "perverta like" behaviour, I'd have expected people to disengage.

Yeah, I know ... but he's so much more articulate in his non-defenses than perverta was. The thought did occur to me, especially as I'm convinced that there is another 'perverta-alt' on here ... but they never are on at the same time ...

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RE: Make this a paid site! - 4/10/2005 3:21:58 PM

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"i" can't get to alt. or bondage because it IS pay...i don't have a credit card and cannot GET one..with MY disability money.
even when i worked,..$7 to $8 an hour, i couldn't get a credit card.
i bet many others can't.
i know people personally that can't pay their mortgage or rent,..how are they going to use a pay site? and i DO mean some dommes i know personally. i sometimes wonder why that is the reason they go poly so they have 7 or 8 incomes in one house..

no. pay is NOT a good thing. and i see it as there are more bad ones at pay sites than there are non pay..
i seen some ads at alt. i shuddered at when i seen them.
sorry..i vote free site.
but it's just me..
esp. since many dommes HERE are good for asking for tributes and trinkets anyway......
and some as i posted elsewhere....have asked for slaves to pay their mortgages for them.....

no. no pay. we got enough trouble as it is..
my feelings on it.
thank You

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RE: Make this a paid site! - 4/10/2005 5:45:19 PM

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Please, make CollarMe a paid site!

Now before you shoot me, please consider why:

First, it would enable them to make some important modifications.
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We
really need better search options here. For example, I'd add the following options when searching for profiles:

- What do you seek? a) Women, b) men, c) both (This ensures that, for ex., bisexuals who only seek women, don't get mail from men.)

- Body type, as opposed to putting a numeric weight

- Are you here to meet someone for: a) Lifestyle relationship, b) professional clients, or c) just chat?

I think
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we
all agree that these are important issues, which might be addressed if they can pay a web designer and maybe even moderator.

These search options will better ensure that a Dominant women who, for example, wants only to chat, doesn't get mail from a man who wants a lifetime relationship, since these issues seem to be a source of such heartburn for so many people, reading their profiles.

Also: let's face it, having to make a small payment gets rid of (most) trolls. It ensures that
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serious, committed
people sign up. And it also keeps the cheap pro's from using this site as a free ad.

On paid sites, like Alt, I don't see the anger and bitterness in Dominant womens' profiles, as I see here. The reason? Alt is a paid site; therefore, the "unwashed masses" can't slam someone with endless mail (which is what seems to cause all the anger in their profiles and journals).

And besides, I won't have as much of a nagging feeling that the person claiming to be 24 is really 16...

What does everyone think?

'We'? Interesting assumption. I disagree

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we

need to improve this site...it suits Me find just the way it is. Unlike sites like Alt, Bondage, and generic find a fark sites who jump on the bandwagon of commercialising kink and d/s, this site does not. And if the compromise is not having some flashy feature, then so be it.

So what if women are angry in their profiles? There's enough angry little men out there to go around ... mirror mirror on the wall... whose' the angriest boy of all?

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RE: Make this a paid site! - 4/10/2005 7:26:37 PM

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Wow! I go away for the weekend and I miss out on a lot

This is just a quick reply that is going to address several issues

First off, having this be a pay site is a bad idea. I, for one, would have to leave if it was. Not because I am lazy or don't work, it is because I am putting myself through college.

Somtimes I think that I live on these message boards, but it is because this is my escape. When I am tired of writing a paper I will just pull it up and read what everyone has to say. I respect people's opinions (some more then others

) and have gotten a lot of good advice and ideas from the people here.

Do I have friends in real life? Yes, several that I met here actually. Do I have a life outside of the internet? Yes, and if you ask me about it I will be happy to tell you all about my typical day

I believe that I am just as capable of having a serious relationship as someone who is making twenty times more then me. I am not ashamed of my income or of what I do for a living, it's putting me through school isn't it? I own a car, have a roof over my head and can afford food. I think I'm doing pretty good.

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