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Hierarchal D/s and the BDSM sacred sub-culture - 3/25/2007 11:27:15 PM   
rskenderian


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Hi,

Interpersonal dynamics are .... dynamic. Primitively, Homo-Sapiens live in communities, in which an order of hierarchy is established, much like in a pack of wolves, or den of lion, monkeys, and every other mammal i can think of off-hand. But we no longer live in a single community, we live in a "Society". So, it would be natural now for two individuals, who would normally be 'alpha' per se in each their primitive community - or village - to be in a BDSM situation together.

What to do?

Hierarchy, or one's "place" in the community, is an important establishment that occurs in at least most mammilian species .. including Homo-Sapiens. This typically last years to establish during the growth-to-adult age, but in contemporary Society, we're just all thrown together and left to figure it all out ... immediately.

i notice within myself a sense of "hierarchy". There's individuals i defer to automatically, and there's individuals i expect to defer to me automatically. Within myself, this sense of Hierarchy is strong, and i find that others - the vast majority - automatically fall in line with this hierarchy i feel. It is not at all necessarily 'primitive' as opposed to 'Civilized'. In fact, it appears to be an enjoyable process for everyone - provided they are tuned into it, or aren't trying to fool themselves.  i know that i'm a lot more at ease knowing my place in regards to another, and this 'finding' can happen quickly with people who are more actualized, i've noticed (if i've used the right terminology).

It also appears that most people DISLIKE the exact individuals who cannot rightfully understand their hierarchal place. These are the individuals that get all the snide comments behind their backs, or when they enter somewhere everyone else present goes "Oh, no .. not THEM again." It appears that it is exactly these individuals, who cannot or do not find and establish and recognize their hierarchal place within a group, who receive all the negative descriptions; obnoxious, pompous, boorish, etc..
... and who are generally shunned, or at kindest, pittied.

It would seem natural for two people who view themselves as essentially 'equal' to each other to 'switch' - not just in BDSM, but in all things.  Plus, since evolution places almost everyone someplace in the middle of the hierarchy (there's only so much room at the top or bottom), it is absolutely natural for each individual to have submissive AND dominant traits.

But BDSM-D/s is REALLY about strong tendencies, which is why switches, i think, tend to be viewed as 'outsiders' or so. i am unquestionably a switch - but a hierarchal switch; i prefer to be one or the other, which makes me very comfortable in knowing, and - having my choice - i prefer to be submissive, since

I'd Be Completely and Ravingly Intolerant As a Dom. I Would Be Insane With Zero Tolerance and Infinite Rage. Every Tiny Thing To My Dissatifaction Would Send Me On A Rampage.

so, i find it is much, much, much more satisfying in every way to be extremely submissive. Plus, i actually am extremely submissive, thanks to Mother Nature, who humbles me naturally.

But i'm 43, and some "kid" in their 20's (no offense, but if you're in your 20's, you'll understand in another 20 years ;) is simply not going to stand a chance being dominant with me. They can, however, gain my fullest respect and certainly a great admiration. Hierarchy at work. How often do you see a D/s relationship (not pro) of that sort anyway? No-one even really tries to do that, as far as i've heard or seen (which i'll admit is not everything).

i extremely tolerant (meaning non-judgemental and accepting of others' happinesses), and i can imagine, and have toyed with switching. There's things i love about being dom, but my dominance is more of a "forced servicing" which is very sexy - but not really Dominant. i don't really get off on inflicting pain except i will do it if my lover - even Domme - enjoys it, and there it's really just sexual or a topping from the bottom; but i do very much get off on being punished, and pain is just a form of punishment for me. Well .... ok ... there's more to it. So at an earlier age [i can't say here nor count too high, since i ony have so many fingers on one hand] i was already a 'gentleman' sub to girls with punishment fantasies all over the place - but absolutely ravenously dominant (or alpha) to the teeth with boys.

Switching, i think, tends to upset the balance that is really BDSM. Although i'm tolerant and have my own feelings regarding switching, i can fully understand those in the BDSM community who might dislike switching; BDSM is, after all, really for them. It is THEIR sub-culture and community, as opposed to the outside world, where 'equality' is the norm ,and 'switching' takes place in every vanilla bedroom in Society. It is completely understandable that Doms, Dommes, subs and slaves DO NOT want 'switching' in it's various permutations going on inside the BDSM environment; i share those thoughts and feelings, too. But i also have switch tendencies/fantasies/feelings, have experienced being 'dominant', have powerful images ingrained in my mind.

People talk about their "rights". But if it's BDSM, how much "right" do you really have to not be what BDSM is really about and for? If BDSM exists to meet the needs of strongly sub/slave and strongly Dom/me, what real "right" does someone who's pursuing vanilla-type relations have? Please don't think i'm hateful or critical; conversely, i empathize.

But personally, i prefer things sub or Dom and that such should be evident on sight. i don't want to even have to ask. i like feeling that comfortable.
Also, is it switching, or really topping from the bottom?

i simply believe that there are sub-cultures for very real and very important reasons, and that these are for the people who really belong there - meaning that's what they really, strongly are, and Society does not meet their needs at all, and so they do need their subculture, and they would like it to be how it is supposed to be in order to meet their needs.
and i believe that should be strongly and highly respected.

i'd love to live in a world where there were only Dominants and submissives, and everybody was that way. subs have dominant qualities - i do - and i know i'm never going to be happy being Dominant, so why bother with it, when i'm in ecstacy, floating around in sub-space, finally at peace, as a sub? But there is still a natural hierarchal tendency born in almost everyone, and as a sub, i should be getting any dominant displays or feelings beaten the shit right out of me. Otherwise, i'm going to be in that place of confusion and chaos, and am not ever going to be happy. i'm much too complex enough as it is, so anything that simplifies me and makes me happy is highly desireable - most desireable, perhaps needed.

i can't be any one thing, ever. i can't view anything in any way but from multiple vantage points simultaneously, ever. i can't have a simple philosophy, ever. i can't think except in multiple dimensions, ever. i cannot make one true statement without also making the converse statement true, ever. i am so much of everything, i am nothing. i am so inclusive, i have no identity.
Except i know one thing for certain; i am submissive; and that is my cure.

Switching, although i can't - because of my own switch feelings and images - criticize, is to me, unwelcome - in myself and in others. i personally don't want it around, since "pure" BDSM is my cure and simplification, and is really, the only one i have. This isn't a big conflict for me (although if i were Dominant, it would be), and i can't say that it disturbs my submissiveness; only that i don't find that it 'fits' into what BDSM is all about. i don't criticize people for their fullness, because we are full, but BDSM allows me to be simply one thing FULLY. No conflicts, no  inner turmoil, no concurrent opposites being additively 'true'.

Just very simple.

i agree there's room for exploration and familiarization, and should be; and i've probably been too hard on myself for staying away for so long in my life. But eye-contact restriction sends me, because it tells me who and what i am, for real; and there i am, being what i am, and that is far, far too incredible; because i can't make all the things i am go away and just be simple, except that THIS is real and very simple and absolutely true, and it is true that i am to have eye-contact restrictions, and i know this and can feel it.  And it's the ONLY thing i have that is for real.

What people find in life for real cures to their individual suffering is sacred, and should be held that way - by all people; and THAT is a respectful and tolerant society - not the opposite.

my contribution to hopefully simplify things, and to put things in what i see as a truer and more meaningful perspective. This is not a rant (nope, no more weekly rants - not after my first one), but a strong case for, basically; 'why is sacred' and 'keeping things sacred'. Please no flames, i had enough of those already - but keep in mind the aspect of sacred, because that's the intention.

- puppy

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RE: Hierarchal D/s and the BDSM sacred sub-culture - 3/26/2007 12:09:45 AM   
MsParados


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"Switching, i think, tends to upset the balance that is really BDSM. Although i'm tolerant and have my own feelings regarding switching, i can fully understand those in the BDSM community who might dislike switching; BDSM is, after all, really for them. It is THEIR sub-culture and community, as opposed to the outside world, where 'equality' is the norm ,and 'switching' takes place in every vanilla bedroom in Society. It is completely understandable that Doms, Dommes, subs and slaves DO NOT want 'switching' in it's various permutations going on inside the BDSM environment; i share those thoughts and feelings, too. But i also have switch tendencies/fantasies/feelings, have experienced being 'dominant', have powerful images ingrained in my mind.

People talk about their "rights". But if it's BDSM, how much "right" do you really have to not be what BDSM is really about and for? If BDSM exists to meet the needs of strongly sub/slave and strongly Dom/me, what real "right" does someone who's pursuing vanilla-type relations have? Please don't think i'm hateful or critical; conversely, i empathize."

I see this as being a flawed theory, that is just the opinion of a self proclaimed switch who choices that label cause most people can not grasp my reality of being a sadistic top who is enslaved by a Master Daddy that controls the activities here.... maybe enforcer would work lol I switch but not within the same relationships (good thing I'm poly-wired)
I do not find that switches are treated differently within my community, except to maybe jokingly be called a slut or noncommital. Just because someone identifies as a switch doesn't mean that "equality" is part of their dynamic or personality, if anything (for me) it plays a big part in illistrating the differences between each side and creates a link in the hierarchal chain... at least in this home.

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RE: Hierarchal D/s and the BDSM sacred sub-culture - 3/26/2007 5:42:31 AM   
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"i cannot make one true statement without also making the converse statement true, ever. i am so much of everything, i am nothing. i am so inclusive, i have no identity."

Ahh, glasshoppa, you have wokked the licepaper and didn't singe one single hair. And without shaving.

All kidding aside, you have hit upon something here. I do not switch because I see the other side, I see the other side because I am a switch. I am about to get into an argument with what would best be described as my ex-Dojo. Physical domination would be useless, even if it were possible. This involves some business deals I set up that are not going quite according to plan, and if everything falls through, well, welcome to welfare, not for me, I am not tied to this. I just set the wheels in motion.

Dominance is in the mind, and I am going to have to dominate a dominant. Not in a kink sense, but in the sense "I made this shit happen for you, and you are going from $25,000 a year to $100,000 a year, goddammit, can't you fucking respect that ? Because if not, I'll never do anything for you again". And I'll mean it. He is not all to blame, the CEO wants to call like every two hours and there are a few other things a bit off, but you don't handle these things by blowing them off. You get in their face and say "Is this productive ?".

Something like that, your situation will vary, as does mine. If I oversleep or get sick and take off work the boss is not happy. If I take off because I am pissed or extremely frustrated, and just had to walk away, the boss COMES TO MY HOUSE !.

So I finally open the door in my underwear at 3PM with a beer in my hand. I don't take shit from anyone. Dominant ? I will acquiesce at work, he is the boss, but just try to get my ass in there. I have only raised my voice once at work, and to get an idea, I'll have to explain the circumstance.

He said "You mean to tell me that they sell this shit and then two yearas later it is just FUCK YOU ?", I replied with a very loud and forceful YES. He said don't yell, I replied that I wasn't really yelling, I wasn't mad at him or the place or anything like that, but to emphasize the point, I had exceeded some invisible decibel cieling. Of course I was not happy with the situation, but noone present was responsible for it.

Funny, I normally use that tone of voice for the word NO. And even that is funny. I realized this not too long ago, friends leaving, I live upstairs and it is late "Do you want the door locked ?", "NO". Some people take that to mean something like 'if you lock that fucking door I'll skin you alive, roll you in spices and flour and throw in the deep fryer for tomorrow's dinner', which is not true.

The fact is that I have learned the importance of the word no. I get offers to party, whether it is whiskey or something illegal, I have friends. These are not addicts but they on occasion party. That's what we call it. Well the word no is why I made it to work the next day. I can sit there and watch them do anything, if I don't want it then I don't want it. Incidentally folks, if you eve find yourself in a similar situation, you don't have to leave, they are not going to twist your arm, the shit costs MONEY. You say no, the portions are already refigured and you couldn't get it now for a blowjob. They will not twist your arm, the problem is that alot of people twist their own arm.

I do not use the bracketed phrases : [help me], [I promise], [pretty please]. There are alot of other ones but these are my top three. I would rather ask someone to loan me a hundred grand than a hundred bucks. And my buddy, who I setup in a really sweet deal, if he blows it, after today, with him "not wanting to talk about it" when it came to business, well if he winds up on the street and needs anything, I will 'not want to talk about it'. Except for this much "I told you, I FUCKING TOLD YOU". We are fresh out of second chances.

Tough ? well you think what you want, but what I think is what is going to prevail. I have earned what I have. Of all the jobs I have had, only one came with an inside connection, and I would've gotten it without. There were 154 applicants, and I not only aced their proficiency test, I discovered an error in it. That may have been planted though. When I go on a job interview, I am also interviewing the job. That is I am not a slave to money. I will starve before I make myself perpetually miserable.Anyone goes hits my profile, it needs a rework, but suffice it to say I am a switch who does not sub.

I will bottom. I will wear a chastity device even, and I will lick any part of her body that needs licking, but I will not sub. I love nothing more than to get tied up, teased and tortured, all worked up. Thing is you can't keep me this way forever and guess what happens next. Energy enough to pillage a village will be directed at one, and it will then be she who wonders when she will be able to scratch that (other) itch. I'll be taking care of the main one.

And it is way more complicated than anyone has even mentioned. Dominance, submissiveness, even the 'mechanical' BDSM tendencies grow way before the sexual tendencies. Little kids like to play tieup, but it makes some feel 'strange'. I think it starts beforehand, and the tendency gets into one's sexual appetite by proxy.

If your sexual development is relatively normal, and you see her and there is a pair of handcuffs and it turns you on, it started before your sexual maturity. It matters not whether you want them on her or yourself, it didn't come from the sex drive.

Lightly touching on the psychology of this, I believe that man is a competitive creature, which is not unusual on this planet. There is a subconcious mindset for survival (best I can put it now), and in some, their consciousness embraces those underpinnings. The result is sometimes a person who is 'at war with the world'. When these conditions exist one of several things can happen.

They might become an extreme type A personality and make everyone around them miserable. They might also develop a mean personality with about the same outcome, except for the usual financial success of the type A.

What happens next is anybody's guess. It all depends on if they become able to deal with their instincts and operate in a sane and logical manner. Some can, some can not. Some can afford not to. You see it all around you.

It takes all kinds, and we gotem. Switches or subs could easily be a type As who need cooling and know it. Conversely a Dominant could be a meek little soul, showing it's ass so as not to lose self. Knowing that if they submit they could be lost forever. There are all sorts of possibilities.

We all know that bottoming and topping are different than subbing and Mastering. Bondage, discipline, restraint, whether it is the urge to give or recieve, is a whole different dimension. Mastering and subbing is on a personal level, and if I read it correctly, doesn't require any equipment at all. It may be icing on the cake, but it is the idea of it, I hate to talk this way, but it's like in your heart not your head. So I used a euphemism.

Any subs reading, are you not still submissive times when you are physically free ? I mean no cuffs, no gag, no collar no chastity belt and no nuthin, period. Do you become bold when no longer physically restrained ? hell no.

I think the last paragraph brings the point into focus quite well. And when the Dominant sets the sub free of all physical restraint, is the sub free ? No. What the Dominant says still goes. Is the Dominant then relegated to telling the sub "Do whatever you want" ? No.

I do find it hard to understand switches, which of course means I have a hard time understanding myself. I find it easier to understand those who Dom some yet sub to others. But that ain't me.

Maybe I should not call myself a switch. I only want to bottom, not sub. I will not sub. My psyche will not allow it. But I love to bottom, sometimes.

So am I kicked out of the club now or what ?

So getting back to the OP, yes, there is a hierarchy in life, but in my life I am at the top of it. Bottoming gives me a release not recreatable by other means. I've tried drugs, nothing comes close. I make decisions and give advice that affects peoples lives, it is nice to step out of that sometimes.

That is a time when I can honestly say "I can do nothing".

Is that perverse, or does it stem from the same psyche that happens to be attracted to redheads ? Is it simply a human mind that has suppressed the "war with the world" urges and now needs something to fight, like restraints ? And does a Dom sit there and relish in "H"is world that he is in complete control of, knowing full well that he can't effect any change on the chaos beyond the front door ?

The more I learn about kink, the more I see that it is not 100% sexual. I have seen totally non-kink relationships where the Man said "Because I said so" and that was the end of it. People who truly believe they are right probably should make the decisions, especially if their decisions are usually right. In the case I mentioned we are talking about a well learned Man and the Woman was sort of a bimbo. Gonna put her on the bank account ? Hell no ! Because he said so. Guess what, she didn't blow all his money.

Some people are simply dominant by nature, so others are obviously submissive by nature. Otherwise the whole thing wouldn't work.

T


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RE: Hierarchal D/s and the BDSM sacred sub-culture - 3/26/2007 7:41:47 AM   
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You're kind of all over the place here but I'll try to go at it- while ignoring your blatantly ageist comment, which I'll forgive because it's the nice thing to do and because you're old and can't help yourself ;)

Every society, whether it's an office of 5 people or a stadium of thousands, has a heirarchy and a social network of rules to follow.  We all follow these rules more or less to the extent that almost all of us go in, have a decent time and get out.  This heirarchy is not at all permanent, though over time it will settle into its own flow of inertia and be less likely to change regularly.

It would be a mistake to confuse these power/authority dynamics with that which we choose in our own personal relationships.  Many people unfortunately do- whether it's the dom who thinks all slaves should kneel to him or the slave who feels they shouldn't run for office due to some fictitious "social expectations."

I do not want everyone to be a dom or sub or switch- that's as bad as a vanilla saying we should all be vanilla.  How I choose things within my personal intimate relationships has nothing to do with how I deal with life and fit in with the various social groups I am part of.  While certain aspects may be utilized in the same way, the relationships themselves are based upon very different dynamics and for very different reasons.  Understanding and respecting those reasons is one of the best ways to start to be able to understand and work better in those relationships.



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RE: Hierarchal D/s and the BDSM sacred sub-culture - 3/26/2007 8:54:41 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsParados
I do not find that switches are treated differently within my community,

That's good and kind and nice. i was talking the other way around.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsParados
I switch but not within the same relationships (good thing I'm poly-wired) [...]
Just because someone identifies as a switch doesn't mean that "equality" is part of their dynamic or personality,

No, it doesn't. Which is what i meant by hierarchal. Hierarchal switching would be simply natural for most people, i would think; that has nothing to do with equality at all. It makes complete sense that hierarchal switching would necessitate poly.

i'm tired of thinking, actually. Maybe i should start taking acid.

i'm tired of taking guff, too. Maybe i should stop posting.
i posted that for You and others similar, BTW, that You are hierarchal, as is BDSM "created" for, as far as i can see, and respect should be given to that hierarchy and those who are hierarchal, if not a sacredness held.

Those who are not hierarchal do not have a "right" in the world of BDSM to be disrespectful of those who are. Else they might consider creating their own sub-culture based on 'equality'.

What's the difference between switching with the same partner and being "kinky"?

i can deal with Your complexities; i don't even question them. i didn't even bother to try and understand the relations You spoke of, actually; i just accepted - as is, automatically.

i don't see where i've earned Your disrespect. i think You're very fortunate to have so much.

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RE: Hierarchal D/s and the BDSM sacred sub-culture - 3/26/2007 9:13:52 AM   
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I meant no disrespect at all and am sorry if it seemed I was treating you in such a manner. I will admit that when I read that (at 3am) I was wicked tired and did not walk away with what you intended to express in that post.... I thought you were saying switches didn't belong in BDSM and that we should call ourselves vanilla as all switch dynamics are based on equality....What can you expect at 3 am lol :)

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RE: Hierarchal D/s and the BDSM sacred sub-culture - 3/26/2007 9:24:36 AM   
rskenderian


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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
You're kind of all over the place here but I'll try to go at it- while ignoring your blatantly ageist comment, which I'll forgive because it's the nice thing to do and because you're old and can't help yourself ;)

Yes, i started off without a clear direction, and it become clearer as i wrote. i was all over the place, my apologies; i should have re-worked the beginning - or something.
Blatent? That's not even in the ballpark. That was outright Law. But thanks for forgiving me, anyway, since i could use some more forgiveness.
.. can't help myself ...lol
i don't feel old. i feel older. It's very nice, actually; Y/y/Y/y/Y/you should try it, someday ;)
;)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
Every society, whether it's an office of 5 people or a stadium of thousands, has a heirarchy and a social network of rules to follow.  We all follow these rules more or less to the extent that almost all of us go in, have a decent time and get out.

hmmmmmmm....
So, Y/y/Y/y?Y/Y/XX/you don't like a hierarchy?  Y/XY/y/Y/yYOu'D prefer to get it over with and 'get out'?
i wasn't speaking about that kind of "Big Society" thing with rules and catalogs - who likes all that?
i was speaking about a fundemental BDSM hierarchy. They have nothing in common with each other, which is why there's a BDSM in the first place.

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
I do not want everyone to be a dom or sub or switch- that's as bad as a vanilla saying we should all be vanilla.  How I choose things within my personal intimate relationships has nothing to do with how I deal with life and fit in with the various social groups I am part of.  While certain aspects may be utilized in the same way, the relationships themselves are based upon very different dynamics and for very different reasons.  Understanding and respecting those reasons is one of the best ways to start to be able to understand and work better in those relationships.

You lost me here. i was just making a point about some disagreements that go on between  switches and singulars.
i'm tired of thinking, actually. Maybe i should start taking acid.
i suspect i'm halfway there, anyway.

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RE: Hierarchal D/s and the BDSM sacred sub-culture - 3/26/2007 9:33:05 AM   
rskenderian


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsParados
I meant no disrespect at all and am sorry if it seemed I was treating you in such a manner. I will admit that when I read that (at 3am) I was wicked tired and did not walk away with what you intended to express in that post.... I thought you were saying switches didn't belong in BDSM and that we should call ourselves vanilla as all switch dynamics are based on equality....What can you expect at 3 am lol :)

oh, hi.
That's very good of You; thank-You.
i know how You feel, since i probably wrote it at 3am :)
As LuckyA. mentioned, i was kind of all over the place, so what can You expect with You reading and me writing at 3am?
File:// Do not write at 3am. Save writing for 4am.

But really, thank-You so much for clarifying that. i just kinda felt smacked-down when i really wasn't looking to be.

i'm going to take a nap, now.

- richard "puppy"

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RE: Hierarchal D/s and the BDSM sacred sub-culture - 3/26/2007 11:07:16 AM   
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no problem at all :) That'll show us about trying to be "deep" at the witching hour lol

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RE: Hierarchal D/s and the BDSM sacred sub-culture - 3/26/2007 1:07:01 PM   
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Hi,
I’m a switch and one of those “annoying” ones that switches with the same person. I consider him to be my equal in the relationship; we don’t have a hierarchy. We are a team. And when it comes to life I may have to function in a society of “hierarchy” but I don’t let it really influence how I live. I try to be an equalist.

On domination and submission in the context of BDSM; for me it doesn’t matter how someone else views my personal relationship(s). If someone was saying what we did wasn’t right, correct, whatever term; it wouldn’t matter to me, I’d say “bye bye.” The fact that everyone has a different way of viewing relationships, allows for a world to be much more fun place to live in. For us the switching has worked for 2 years, 3 in August. And has made us closer  to each other. We are very happy about with it.

I hope this explains my views on what you were asking. If I wasn't clear enough please ask.
   Sun & Moon
PS I hope that this doesn’t sound rude or such, I have a headache from caffeine and someone is doing construction in the apartment below mine. Very loud (grrr).

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RE: Hierarchal D/s and the BDSM sacred sub-culture - 4/11/2007 9:56:01 PM   
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it's my observation that all humans have some level of packy-mentality, even cat-people like myself. subs know they want harmony. doms know they want security. switches, well, them i understand the least. but perhaps it is them that make us the human animal and not fleashy robots. - Phoenix

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RE: Hierarchal D/s and the BDSM sacred sub-culture - 4/14/2007 7:18:45 PM   
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The anthropology major cannot stop laughing her tail off currently...

My advice is DO SOME MORE FIELDWORK and read some anthro theory! Especially in the queer theory/practicer theory genres. People like Judith Butler and Carol Stack, for starters. This is amusingly indicative of something you'd see a first-year student write who's gungho about the subject.

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