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RE: Problems with new Bi-polar meds.... - 4/22/2007 11:19:11 PM

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hi i am bi polar my meds took ages to kick in, i have had all the side effects you just need to live through them....... at times on the meds initially the symptons were worse but you will level out. instead of the older lithium i am on sodium valporate normally used for epelepsy this works really well for me and without the dangers of the lithium..... hope you get there i have been diagnosed bipolar for 5 years and only now appreciate that the drugs do work...... good luck xxxxx

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RE: Problems with new Bi-polar meds.... - 4/23/2007 6:31:26 PM

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Well I am getting better I have noticed, but I am now dealing with hubbys mood swings again since all the weight gain with the depakote and I have been crying alot and that makes matters worse I noticed earlier today that I got so angry and annoyed at my husband that I began to cry and I have never done that, it seems every little thing can make me cry now and I know I am stressed because my dad dieing in January and my mom being stressed over trying to get the money he was supposed to get to pay for their bills and her being depressed over him being gone and I just got a job and that is stressfull in and of it self, and I am stressed because of hubbys bi-polar and bills I have that are late and all these things it is just one on top of another and I feel like I am going to crumble under all of it.....oh this has gotten so off subject but I needed to vent I guess...

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RE: Problems with new Bi-polar meds.... - 5/6/2007 10:02:08 PM

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okay sorry to bring this thread back to life but I have a question......anyone ever heard of someone becoming manic after being on a stablizer? I have been on a mood stablizer for awhile like 2 months I noticed that I am not getting angry like before not having many mood swings, anymore, but I have noticed I am overly happy I do come down but basically to normal which after being manic almost constantly feels horrible. I know I need to talk to the doc which I am going to in a week just looking for some advice and if it is something that someone has heard of before. I have only heard of anti depressants making people with bi-polar manic not mood stablizers.

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RE: Problems with new Bi-polar meds.... - 5/7/2007 10:40:24 PM

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anyone ever heard of someone becoming manic after being on a stablizer? I have been on a mood stablizer for awhile like 2 months I noticed that I am not getting angry like before not having many mood swings, anymore, but I have noticed I am overly happy I do come down but basically to normal which after being manic almost constantly feels horrible.

Sounds like you're flipping between hypomanic and depressed.

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I know I need to talk to the doc which I am going to in a week just looking for some advice and if it is something that someone has heard of before. I have only heard of anti depressants making people with bi-polar manic not mood stablizers.

Have the doc do a serum level test on you... find out how much is in your blood.

Depending on the type, changes in diet etc. can affect the concentration. Also, make sure you check that you've ruled out biological reasons for it, as those can be progressive.

It's not all cut-and-dry with bipolar. Ever.

For instance, amphetamines will make a lot of them manic. For a significant number of them, however, it will stabilize them better than any "mood stabilizer". People vary.

SPECT analysis or fMRI, etc, might offer some clues if the bloodwork doesn't turn up anything.

My experiences are limited to phenobarbital, which has a mood-stabilizing and -lifting effect on my unipolar depression.

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RE: Problems with new Bi-polar meds.... - 5/8/2007 6:35:39 AM

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Well, I have started a new thread on this because no one was answering this one but since you did I will reply to you, and thanks by the way. Well, my diet has changed mainly because I don't feel like eating that much anymore which I usually don't when I am manic, but the diet has changed because of my insulin resistance too, I had to change it for my health. I go to my therapist today and we will see what she says. I haven't really been depressed, I have been talking more, laughing more, sleeping less. It just doesn't seem like hypomania to me it seems like mania, I have been manic several times before and this feels the same. I am giddy and extremely happy alot of the time. The downs I experience aren't as severe and they don't last long. I am just afraid if I stay manic for much longer I am going to crash from the exhaustion from being up almost all the time. I am mostly wondering if I am manic because of the meds or because life is treating me very good.

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RE: Problems with new Bi-polar meds.... - 5/8/2007 8:02:12 AM

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I'll look up the other thread. :)

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RE: Problems with new Bi-polar meds.... - 5/11/2007 9:30:26 PM

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Probably gonna be the odd man out here, and get flamed but I don't care. This life is not for people with mental issues. I was married to a woman with bi-polar and borderline personality disorder in a vanilla marriage.

I can imagine the hell, and heartache if we had brought a D/s flavor too it! During her second suicide attempt. I sat in with her and the intake therapist and listened to the illusions that she was having. she was having visions of burning in hell, of her burring children in hell, of her doing sexually sadistic things to children,and that was the tip of the ice burg, she opened up about having thoughts of killing me, of killing me and then herself.

Then they put her on meds. These wonderful fucking meds which were supposed to make her all better. She stopped having visions and started having vivid violent dreams where she was being attacked by witches and demons. She was screaming in the night, even to the point of striking out and hitting me!

But yet I still loved her, still cared for her My heart breaks for her every single day still.

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RE: Problems with new Bi-polar meds.... - 5/12/2007 6:11:24 PM

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Well, that is your opinion I don't have borderline personality disorder, all I have is bi-polar which when I am on the right combo of meds I am much, much better. I think most of what you are describing has to do with the personality disorder not the bi-polar ask anyone in the psyciatric profession and they will most likely tell you that most people with bi-polar don't have those symptoms. That is my opinion, at least I know I don't have those feelings, and I haven't felt suicidal since I was a teenager like when I was 16 or so. I haven't felt like that with or without meds since then. I don't know your individual sitiuation or anything but BDSM and D/s complete my life, and of course some people it wouldn't be something they would even think about let alone try mentally ill or not.

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RE: Problems with new Bi-polar meds.... - 5/12/2007 6:21:49 PM

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Probably gonna be the odd man out here, and get flamed but I don't care. This life is not for people with mental issues. I was married to a woman with bi-polar and borderline personality disorder in a vanilla marriage.

I can imagine the hell, and heartache if we had brought a D/s flavor too it! During her second suicide attempt. I sat in with her and the intake therapist and listened to the illusions that she was having. she was having visions of burning in hell, of her burring children in hell, of her doing sexually sadistic things to children,and that was the tip of the ice burg, she opened up about having thoughts of killing me, of killing me and then herself.

Then they put her on meds. These wonderful fucking meds which were supposed to make her all better. She stopped having visions and started having vivid violent dreams where she was being attacked by witches and demons. She was screaming in the night, even to the point of striking out and hitting me!

But yet I still loved her, still cared for her My heart breaks for her every single day still.

How is she doing now or do you know?

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RE: Problems with new Bi-polar meds.... - 5/13/2007 3:40:49 PM

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How is she doing now or do you know?
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No, I don't know, I see her as a prisoner of war. Her father never directly confronted me, but she shared with me and made it clearly obvious that he hated my guts.

Right before everything went south she told me that her parents had taken her aside and told her that they would be more than willing to pay all the expenses for a divorce. When the divorce papers came her mother was her witness for how lousy a husband I was supposed to have been.

Yeah, pretty lousy considering everytime her mother's computer crashed I brought it back to life and then installed a brand new modem in the thing when the company shipped it to her without it.

when her mom tried to kill herself I was the one that picked her up for my wife and carried her to the car so they could get her to the hospital.
Oh yeah my ex wife's Mother, Sister and 7 year old (At the time) nephew all four were diagnosed with mental illness.

Wife: OCD, Bi-polar, Borderline personality disorder
Mother in law: Bi-polar and Trichotillomania (Pulling Your Hair Out)
Sister in law: Ocd, Bipolar
Nephew: early on set Bipolar and Trans Gender Identity Disorder.

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RE: Problems with new Bi-polar meds.... - 5/16/2007 9:19:18 PM

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Well, I guess I found out why my moods are all over the place with new mood stablizers....I think my body doesn't like them, I was started on another mood stablizer which means I am on two now and my moods are all over the place yet again. So I guess it is just my body getting used to them. Weird...I think anyway.

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RE: Problems with new Bi-polar meds.... - 5/18/2007 9:26:08 AM

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I've been trying to read this thread and possibly add something helpful but I really can't because for the most part you keep saying stuff like "new mood stabilizer" instead of actually listing the drugs. Without knowing exactly which drugs and for how long I don;t think anyone can really add anything useful.

You did mention depakote which would imply your mania has been somewhat serious at times. You also mentioned previous success with lithium. I'm generally not a fan of lithium but if you were one of the ones that tollerated it well and had some success then I'd be currious to know why it was stopped.

Finding the right cocktail is always a long and difficult road. My j went through a lot of different meds with some major problems before finding the magic combo which has worked well for her for about 8 years though she might need some adjustments soon. The worst part for many people is that these drugs can OFTEN have a major affect on libido and in very rare cases the damage can be permanent. So it is important to carefully monitor and adjust.

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RE: Problems with new Bi-polar meds.... - 5/18/2007 7:39:29 PM

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Well, sorry if it was confusing to read, they have me on Lithium and Lamictal, the reason they were stopped is because I moved and had no way at the time to get to and from the doctors. I have begun going again and I will be able to keep going as long as my health insurance doesn't run out. The Lamictal is for my depression and the Lithium is for the Mania caused by the Lamictal, but I feel like I am alot more manic with the Lithium, I hope that is only temporary until my body gets used to it, of course I am only on 300mg of Lithium a day when before I was on like 1500 mg I believe. So it is probably going to take awhile for it to work right.

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RE: Problems with new Bi-polar meds.... - 5/18/2007 7:45:47 PM

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Ha that is interesting. I take lamictal as a complete mood stabilizer. What is your dossage with that?

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RE: Problems with new Bi-polar meds.... - 5/18/2007 8:35:13 PM

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100 mg a day. Once aday in the mornings. I take the lithium twice aday once in the morning and once in the evening. I guess my body is funny that way it likes to mess with what the meds are supposed to do for you. I have been on the Lamictal for going on 3 months now so I think I am over the period where my body is getting used to the meds. The Lithium was just added so I am waiting to see how long it might take for it to work.

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RE: Problems with new Bi-polar meds.... - 5/18/2007 10:04:39 PM

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zindy,
Have you told the np your previous medications and levels which seemed to make your levels okay? If they have you on a reduced dosage, i don't see how that is helpful.

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RE: Problems with new Bi-polar meds.... - 5/18/2007 10:16:35 PM

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My doctor uses Lithium very caustiously he is afraid of using too much because of the fine line between too much and theraputic doses and plus I am on Lamictal basically it is an addition to the Lamictal. I think he will probably continually up the dosage of Lithium little by little until it is at a theraputic dose. I know that the dosage is low compared to what I have been on before but with me needing to lose weight on top of everything else, he doesn't want me on too much Lithium incase it makes me gain weight. Alot of factors went into his decision on what doses to put me on.

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RE: Problems with new Bi-polar meds.... - 5/19/2007 8:38:17 AM

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Lamictal makes me manic also when on the full dosage also. That is why the dr and i feel it best to keep it a low dosage. Then i get the mood stabilizing but not too much. for me medication makes the swings harder. I realized this when i when off the medication for 2 years. Though i was still swinging, I never had a Manic swing (did have Mania on occation) and wasn't so depressed that i was suicidel. Those extremems were only happening while on the medication. Another thing that has to be priority for helping keep you balanced is exercise (long walks to let out all the emotional crap inside me) and cutting back on sugar and caffeen. Those are all things that mess with the chemistry that the medication is trying to fix.

It is also why i never understood why dr. don't require it of their patience. But then why would a dr. want us to be stable in a healthy way when they can just give us more medication? Oh and you need to start writing down how you are feeling on each of the dosages on each medication, also any type of stressers that might be influincing the situation, and then look back and see what patterns might be occuring.

Wish you the best hun..:-).

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RE: Problems with new Bi-polar meds.... - 5/19/2007 7:23:56 PM

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Well, since I am on my feet 8 hours aday just about everyday going for a walk would make me irratiable since my feet hurt enough when I come home from work let alone going for a walk. But other than that I was doing okay on the full dose of Lamictal except for the Mania that is why he added the Lithium, I just wish he would put me back on the full dose of Lithium and forget the Lamictal, I just don't like the idea of taking an anti seziure medicine for my bi-polar esspecially since the only medicine they have for bi-polar works wonders for me. I am seriously beinging to think that reason for the mood swings is my body adjusting to the medicine. I remember when they first put me on Lithium and I was manic for a week straight then came crashing down, that is why I ended up going to the Mental Hospital for a week because I went through so many moods at once that when it was done I was just a mess. But after the doctors at the hospital tweaked my meds a bit, because my doc only had me on 150 a day then they uped it to 1500 a day and after that I was fine, the main reason why I started talking to the people on here was to get a feeling on how common all of this was and try to keep ahold of my sanity so I wouldn't end up in the Hospital again. Right now I have so many things that could be influncing my emotions that I can't distinguish them from the others. But thank you for the tips.

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RE: Problems with new Bi-polar meds.... - 5/20/2007 11:04:45 PM

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It is also why i never understood why dr. don't require it of their patience. But then why would a dr. want us to be stable in a healthy way when they can just give us more medication?

I agree that sometimes we (as a society) overprescribe meds. On the other hand the real reason doctors don't require diet and excercise is because they can't. honestly they can almost never get someone to do those things with any kind of consitency. When I used to work in rehab I was always amazed. We would get these patients in a lot of pain and seeing a PT 3 times a week they would get better. Then they'd be sent off with a home excercise plan and diet plan and warned that to remain pain free they would have to continue what they had been taught. A few months later you'd see the same poeple again. "The pain came back. I guess the PT just won't work. I'm going to have surgery next month." and then we'd ask, "Did you keep up with the excercises like you promised?" 90% would answer honestly (No. They stopped less than a week after their last appointment.). But no matter how much you just want to shake them and scream they never seem to make the connection. The sad truth is so many problems could be fixed with diet and excercise but healhcare workers just have no way of geting people to change their habits for any length of time. It's a lot easier to get people to keep taking their meds, and even THAT is not easy.

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