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RE: Ass to mouth strap-on - 4/6/2007 3:36:05 PM   
Sweetbluerose


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Status: offline 		As a former microbiologist i don't believe that, some animals eat their mother's feces to get necessary bacteria and flora, but animals have very different intestinal tracts than humans, for instance a dog can eat rotting animal carcasses and not have an ill affect.
A human would get very sick.
If someones flora has been knocked out by antibiotics they can eat benificial bacteria in live culture yogurt.
You think people got sick eating spinach that had been contaminated with cow feces, just try eating human feces.
Besides the bacteria, in feces, there can be dangerous viruses, parasites, and fungi.
Much better to grow up the benificial bacteria in pure cultures and feed them to a patient, rather than risk all the possibly dangerous bugs hanging out in feces.
One more than modern humans have even less ability to fight off dangerous bugs, and we now have some super bugs out there that man hasn't encountered before...

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RE: Ass to mouth strap-on - 4/6/2007 8:17:21 PM   
Aswad


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Status: offline 		Hi, maybemaybenot and Sweetbluerose.

I'll ask him what it was all about, since I wasn't exactly paying a whole lot of attention to the topic. Having experience in the field, I'm sure you know how medical students tend to be oblivious to exactly how gross some of the details of their studies can be to their non-medstudent peers. And that sometimes they need to vent; e.g. after he accidentally tore a lung while trying to remove it in an anatomy class.

That said, like everyone else on this thread I'd really like to se some hard numbers on the likelyhood of getting complications from oral contact with a small amount of your own fecal matter, as well as equivalent numbers for others. A2M isn't all that uncommon, so it would seem plausible that someone might have studied it, and studies on accidental contamination wouldn't seem entirely unlikely, given how many people, particularly males, have inadequate hygiene in this regard. At least, if it is a significant risk, I would expect that some numbers have popped up, given the rising popularity of such activity.

And I do think there is a difference between a person that has grown up in a fairly sterile environment and one that hasn't. ISTR there are tribes that perform the equivalent of surgical procedures without getting infections.

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RE: Ass to mouth strap-on - 4/6/2007 10:55:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I don't know of any kink friendly studies going on out there wouldn't that be a reason to prompt such a study? But as many people have said you can get alot of sicknesses from fecal matter and I don't really beleive that since it is already in your body you won't get sick from it, your stomach is sensitive to alot of things and saying the body treats the gastrointestinal tract as if it was outside the body doesn't seem right to me as for the fact of people getting these sicknesses and also from people getting food poisioning from spoiled food...I don't know somethings just don't add up to me.

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RE: Ass to mouth strap-on - 4/7/2007 7:03:22 AM   
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Maybe a condom over the strapon first, then remove the condom and just feel the heat of where it's been in your mouth. 

If that doesn't do it for you, let's hope that your body has a strong resistance to E.Coli or that you have money for the doctor visit.

We had people get sick from E.Coli from eating salad at a salad bar some years back.  Glad it wasn't me.
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RE: Ass to mouth strap-on - 4/7/2007 7:12:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		zindygirl,

My own experience have been that if the exposure is significant, and it has been very long since the last time, I get an uneasy stomach for a few hours at some point after the exposure, but otherwise nothing. And nephandi hasn't been experiencing any problems with her exposure either. Admittedly, though, we haven't done any serious A2M stuff yet, so we're talking accidental exposure here.

The corprophiles could perhaps chime in with regards to this, although I kind of get the impression that not many of them are particularly safety-minded. Hopefully, this impression is wrong.

As for research...

This is a sensitive topic. Not because of the kink; there's been lots of studies related to kink. But because there are ethical guidelines for human research that the subject ordinarily cannot consent to waive. And testing something that is suspected of posing a risk to the participants is one of the things you cannot do unless the benefit outweighs the risk, and even then it requires a very high standard of informed consent.

For instance, although admittedly a more severe example, an elderly Catholic priest offered to be contaminated with an injection of radiolabeled HIV-virus so that they could study the progression of the disease in detail, and was refused despite being rather insistent. The ethically dubious way of doing this, of course, is to inform him that a particular syringe contains radiolabeled HIV and that he should under no circumstance inject it into himself while you're gone, and then leave the room to fetch something. Then you could probably study him. But the doctor who did it would still risk repercussions.

A doctor can use him/herself as a research subject with no limits, but I don't think you'll find enough pairs of doctors that would be willing to practice A2M with each other to study this in a meaningful way.

If you know any researchers that would be willing to set up a study of something that would involve related measurements, then you could get together some people that are willing to do A2M in the interests of kinky science, and set things up so that you can bypass the ethical guidelines in the interests of helping the community and advancing the cause of the Right to Consent. I know a few who might be willing to set up such a study, and indirectly quantify the effects of A2M on health to publish this result as well, but that would be here in Norway, and I don't know enough kinksters here that one could set up a meaningful (quantitative/representative) study.


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RE: Ass to mouth strap-on - 4/7/2007 7:24:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Quick bit of personal experience...

Due to a misunderstanding, a box of vaseline (petroleum jelly) that had been contaminated, was used as lip balm by nephandi.

This caused some sores on her lips to get pretty bad. That said, I seem to recall that petroleum jelly is a suitable growth medium for some of these bacteria, so that might have been a factor. And it correlation doesn't equal causation. Just FWIW/FYI.

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RE: Ass to mouth strap-on - 4/7/2007 7:27:57 AM   
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We had people get sick from E.Coli from eating salad at a salad bar some years back.  Glad it wasn't me.
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what were they doing with that salad shooter ??

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RE: Ass to mouth strap-on - 4/7/2007 7:35:59 AM   
Aswad


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Status: offline 		Most likely they weren't doing anything special with it, although you never know. Usually, when these things happen, someone forgot to wash properly after using the toilet. That's more than enough, if you touch something that can sustain the bacteria afterwards and allow them to grow.

You might want to think twice about eating out in general. I know two chefs that have worked in restaurants. One said he never eats out because he knows how bad it gets in the kitchen. The other said he had no problem eating out because he knows just how bad it has to get before the customer notices anything. Either way, not very encouraging...

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RE: Ass to mouth strap-on - 4/7/2007 1:23:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Aswad,
Your right, primitive people can get away with a lot more than we modern types. But look how fast they get sick when exposed to us.
Our immune systems are different than they were, and the bacteria and virus, ect. are evolving as well.
There is a reason that our gastro-intestinal system only goes in one direction, smiles...robyn

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RE: Ass to mouth strap-on - 4/7/2007 11:40:06 PM   
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Your right, primitive people can get away with a lot more than we modern types. But look how fast they get sick when exposed to us.


Quite. Their immune systems are frequently quite fine-tuned, and overwhelming exposure to unfamiliar diseases will be a problem for anyone.

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Our immune systems are different than they were, and the bacteria and virus, ect. are evolving as well.


Bear in mind that our immune systems are adaptive, as well as evolving themselves albeit on a longer timescale than the bacteria and virii.

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There is a reason that our gastro-intestinal system only goes in one direction,


Sure. Gravity is one. Efficiency is another. Don't read too much into it. And A2M is going in the "right" direction anyway :P

I'm not saying that it's healthy, just that I doubt it is a very big problem.


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RE: Ass to mouth strap-on - 4/9/2007 1:49:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, about the restaurant thing I have worked in two and my husband has worked in one and we have never seen anything bad being done always followed the rules and all that. The main reason places get bad like that is when the managers don't watch the employes like they should or they just don't care if the health inspector comes in and finds things wrong and shuts them down. But that is just my opinon.

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RE: Ass to mouth strap-on - 4/11/2007 4:43:55 AM   
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Well, about the restaurant thing I have worked in two and my husband has worked in one and we have never seen anything bad being done always followed the rules and all that. The main reason places get bad like that is when the managers don't watch the employes like they should or they just don't care if the health inspector comes in and finds things wrong and shuts them down. But that is just my opinon.


Certainly, some places are great. Others, not so much. And, yes, it is management's responsibility to make sure stuff works. But as a customer, you really can't tell, unless you have a look at the kitchen. Or, if you can tell, it will have been shut down by the time you get a chance to complain, if the health inspectors are doing their job.


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RE: Ass to mouth strap-on - 4/11/2007 11:54:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, yes of course but most places I have been I have never had a problem getting sick or anything but that could just be that I don't eat out much. Of course not long ago there was a scare of Hep A which was never confirmed to come from a restaurant but it may have made people here wake up and understand the importance of handling food properly.

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RE: Ass to mouth strap-on - 4/11/2007 1:16:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmm, I know someone who's really into being rimmed; and I've done it twice...just for Him....maybe this will convince him not to make me do it again ;)  It seems like such a bad idea in general to me, but then i look at how many people are doing these things, and how little there seems to be a problem from it.  Both times I've done it were fairly clean; once in the shower, once right after.

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RE: Ass to mouth strap-on - 4/11/2007 9:50:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rimming is a bit diferent from ingesting something that  has been inserted into the intestinal tract. It has it's risks, but * I* would rank them low on my risk threshold as long as I knew he was STD free.

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