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ThorsHammer -> Miracles Do Happen! (4/18/2005 12:34:31 PM)

I hope I have posted this in the correct forum. If not, I'm sure it can be moved by the moderators to the correct one.

MIRACLES DO HAPPEN!

I met a great submissive lady. She is not a member here. I met her through a follow Dominant and his slave who I met at a local Munch. She is 22 years younger then I am but that is not a problem for either of us. We are looking only at the quality D/s relationship we can build for us.

Over the past several months we have been meeting often, discussing in great detail and at great length what each of us wants and needs from our D/s relationship. We also wanted to see if we could also just enjoyed each other's company. After all, you do have to be able to have a conversation over dinner on topics other then D/s. At least we do.

In order to move the whole process along more easily, I printed off a copy of my profile. It seemed like an easy way to start the discussion process .... to see if we had similiar D/s objectivies by starting with mine. My lady did not have any kind of very firm idea of exactly what she was seeking.

We talked about limits (both soft and hard), types of play we enjoy and don't enjoy, discipline if it should become necessary, behavior expectations, etc. I think we met several dozen time for coffee, drinks, and dinner before we even began to seriously discussing "play time." To put it succinctly, we have agreed to pursue a D/s relationship. No collar .... just begining to seriously see if we are truly compatible.

Permit me to address all the BBW's who have written to me personally and taken me to tast for my preference for a submissive lady who is height/weight/body proportionate or, that the submissive lady who enters my life, must become so. My submissive lady, at this time, does not fit that requirement. She is 5'5" tall and weighs 170 pounds.

During our discussions I did bring up my preference for her to become more body proportionate. I must admit she had some reluctance to meet my standards. I just asked her a simple question. "If I wanted you to get a piercing or a tattoo, would you do it?" She answered immediately, "Of course, if that is what you wanted and it would please you." I then asked her then what is the difference between getting a piercing and loosing weight? She had no logical answer. Hence, she is going to begin to lose the weight to get to my preference for her to be height/weight/body proportionate.

Now before anyone jumps my frame, we are planning to do this carefully and logically. We have already had her see a physician for a complete physical, met with a nutritionist and physical trainer. A logical and simple plan has been laid out as well as measureable goals. Just, as in our play, we will use the "Safe, Sane, and Consensual standard," we will apply the same to her weight lose plan. Our plan has her dropping an average of 2-3 pounds per month. Our plan will take anywhere from 13 to 20 months to achieve our goal. I'm in no hurry .... the end result will be worth it.

So, a new and exciting phase of my life is now beginning.

Donn

AKA Thors Hammer




sub4hire -> RE: Miracles Do Happen! (4/18/2005 12:52:12 PM)

quote:

During our discussions I did bring up my preference for her to become more body proportionate. I must admit she had some reluctance to meet my standards. I just asked her a simple question. "If I wanted you to get a piercing or a tattoo, would you do it?" She answered immediately, "Of course, if that is what you wanted and it would please you." I then asked her then what is the difference between getting a piercing and loosing weight? She had no logical answer. Hence, she is going to begin to lose the weight to get to my preference for her to be height/weight/body proportionate.


I'd like to say congrats on finding someone who seem's to be right for you.
The statement above made me think to myself. Actually if you were negotiating with me and you said get a piercing. My answer would have been no. I am confident enough within myself to know I do not have to change to please another. We can mesh together. Of course over time we will both change.
However, to start a relationship and already having demands put upon me to change. I'd tell you to go find someone who fit's your bill right off. If you don't like who I am today, how can I assume you are going to like who I am tomorrow when your whims keep changing?

Didn't mean to rain on your parade but talk of changing people bother's me.




nella -> RE: Miracles Do Happen! (4/18/2005 12:52:42 PM)

Congratulations. i am happy for you. Now i see no reason whit the weight thing if that is what you both want and let none tell you otherwise, it is your life and your preferances.




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Miracles Do Happen! (4/18/2005 1:01:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ThorsHammer
MIRACLES DO HAPPEN!
Donn
AKA Thors Hammer

Yeah for miracles, and you're getting what you want. I wish you a lot of luck, and hope you'll keep us posted and how it continues. M




BobcatsLilMinx -> RE: Miracles Do Happen! (4/18/2005 1:48:57 PM)

Yeah, congratulations!!!
Best wishes to both of you! [:D]




Tempestspet -> RE: Miracles Do Happen! (4/18/2005 2:21:55 PM)

Congratulations!!! I hope everything works outfor the two of you. I did read the earlier thread you referenced, though I didn't comment on it.

There's nothing wrong with having an ideal in mind, and striving to find that. And you and she are going in knowing this. She agrees... great!! It's not as if you had hidden the fact you would like her to look a certain way, or were it the case... get a tattoo or piercing. And for that I commend you!!..smiles..

I myself am about 50 or 60 lbs. over what I like to be, Master has had me through almost 13 yrs of marriage and 3 kids....smiles.. this isn't an excuse... other than my laziness. lol.. But being my Master, he does gently, and kindy encourage me. He doesn't love or care for me less. But of course I am sure that he'll enjoy it when I'm smaller. I enjoy it when I'm smaller. After all ... he's my Master, and has my best interests, and well being at heart. He's also, rightly I might add, concerned with what he owns, and would like me to be as he wishes. There's nothing wrong with that either. Of course this is all in my, sometimes humble.*smiles* opinion.
Take it with whatever grain of sand needed.

I wish you two all the luck in the world....

Sincerely,
Tempest's pet
jennifer




SecretDomme -> RE: Miracles Do Happen! (4/18/2005 4:17:04 PM)

Congrats on finding someone in your life. I certainly agree with having preferences when seeking that special person for a relationship. I don't agree with immediately wanting to change a person physically and using D/s as a way to do that. In my opinion, if you can't accept the person for whom they are- totally- then the relationship will eventually suffer.

What will happen if she can't change enough and be acceptable to you?

Be well,
Julie




subcheryl -> RE: Miracles Do Happen! (4/18/2005 4:20:49 PM)

[:)] I met my Master here on collarme, and while we where getting to know each other online and by Phone we discussed my weight, which is something that I have been working on all my life it seems. He told me he would help me with a weightloss plan as he himself had lost almost 100 lbs, and he has. I have been with him now for almost 3 months and have lost 12 lbs. With his encouragement have been able to stick with a diet plan that is healthy for me. There have been times that I have been discouraged and he has cheered me on. He tells me quiet often that he can see that I am losing the weight. Some of us just need a cheering section to keep up the goals and good work, and that is Master for me. He knew of my weight problem before he met me, he saw pictures of me before he met me and still wanted me, which in itself was a boost. Since alot of men like their women small it seems and won't take the time to get to know you for who you are first and then go from there.




lil1v -> RE: Miracles Do Happen! (4/18/2005 4:21:37 PM)

Thorshammer - Congratulations. I hope things work out well for you and you two will be very happy. :)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Tempestspet

I myself am about 50 or 60 lbs. over what I like to be, Master has had me through almost 13 yrs of marriage and 3 kids....smiles.. this isn't an excuse... other than my laziness. lol.. But being my Master, he does gently, and kindy encourage me. He doesn't love or care for me less. But of course I am sure that he'll enjoy it when I'm smaller. I enjoy it when I'm smaller. After all ... he's my Master, and has my best interests, and well being at heart. He's also, rightly I might add, concerned with what he owns, and would like me to be as he wishes. There's nothing wrong with that either.


Excellent points. I think the biggest reason most of us are hesitant to date those who want height/weight proprotionate isn't that we don't want to please them by making ourselves more attractive in their eyes.. its that we then feel that he will love or care for us less if we don't manage to.. or if we do, we'll constantly be in panic of gaining a pound.

Most of us have already lived our lives that way, being obsessed with our weight. We just don't need the added pressure. I want a man who is going to love me for me, no matter what life throws at us.




Tempestspet -> RE: Miracles Do Happen! (4/18/2005 4:33:48 PM)

I agree...smiles.. that's extremely important. One thing I should have maybe added, Master knows I'm not happy this weight.

sighs... I've been small, for me this is a size 13 ( and most would not agreee that this is small). But this is also weight lifting, bodybuilding...and all that.
I've been big, lol..am now... I just simply don't like it. I've been and seen the greener grass. I like it over there. Not to say that everyone shouldn't be happy in the skin / size they are comfortable with, I think everyone should be comfortable in their own skin.

Just as there are people who should pass the drive thru..... there are those I'd like to give a cheeseburger or 3 to....grins...

Just be happy.... whatever that means to you.

Tempest's pet
jennifer




junecleaver -> RE: Miracles Do Happen! (4/18/2005 6:20:58 PM)

Congratulations on finding someone.

However, reading your post makes me feel a bit fat. lol




harmony3709 -> RE: Miracles Do Happen! (4/18/2005 8:14:20 PM)

Congratulations on your new relationship! My best wishes for you both.

I will add that if asked about a piercing or tattoo, my answer would be no. I would not immediately do a body modification for someone I just started a relationship with; however, if the relationship was successful and I was then asked, that would be a different answer.

If your lady feels comfortable with the decision you are making together regarding weight loss, that is of course her choice and I wish her much success. However, it does make me wonder though -- what will you do if she (for whatever reason) is not successful or does not reach the goal you have established?

Be well,
harmony




FelinePersuasion -> RE: Miracles Do Happen! (4/18/2005 8:51:17 PM)

I would say no to the question about tatoo's or other body modifciations lol. But that's just me and my own hard limits. I think for my body tatto's are ugly and piercings are too. For MY body. anybody else feel free:D




proudsub -> RE: Miracles Do Happen! (4/18/2005 9:53:48 PM)

Hope it works out for you ThorsHammer.[:)]




ThorsHammer -> RE: Miracles Do Happen! (4/20/2005 10:35:51 AM)

Thank you all for your best wishes for us as we start our D/s relationship. Needless to say we both are excitied and more then a bit anxious!

Gloria, I do understand your concerns about "changing people" at the beginning of a relationship. My lady said that she was open to tattoo's and piercings even before I brought up the subject of her losing weight. However, I do believe that it is my responsiblity to, taking a quote for an old U.S. Army ad, "make her all that she can be." I just hope that I can live up to that responsibility.

I know my preferences do not sit well with some people. I accept that. However, one of the things I find so exciting, is the our lifestyle is so open to each couple to establish the type and style of relationship that works for them. We have peoply in poly relationship, submissive relationship, slave relationship, Total Power Exchange relationship, etc. Each works right for the right people.

I also want to thank all of you who took the time to contact me directly. I have answered each one.

Thank you all for your support. We appreciate it greatly.

Donn
AKA Thors Hammer




frankrds -> RE: Miracles Do Happen! (5/14/2005 1:24:34 PM)

Congratulations Thorshammer, and im very envious of You haveing found a submissive.
im not looking for a submissive but a Mistress/Goddess, but again best wishes :)





fastlane -> RE: Miracles Do Happen! (5/26/2005 7:33:48 PM)

Thorshammer, you are indeed, not just lucky, but lucky to have the sub of not only your dreams, but mine too![:@]




LadyPhoenixAsher -> RE: Miracles Do Happen! (6/4/2005 10:10:13 AM)

Congratulations! We all know that finding the right match in this lifestyle is just as hard if not sometimes harder than finding true love. I wish you both the very best and hope you will always be happy. I do have to wonder though, will you be just as happy if for some reason she cannot attain the proportions that you wish her to attain? I have to agree with some of the other responses you've had. Trying to change someone to fit your ideal can become a big disappointment. Best of luck to you.

Lady Phoenix




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