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right wing neocons atacking net-porn yet again - 4/10/2007 7:46:29 AM

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Seems like any time those right wing fundamentalist wackos need to pander to their christian base they wind up attacking "porn on the net".From http://www.theithacajournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070410/NEWS01/704100338/1002

The KIDS Act, or Keeping the Internet Devoid of Sexual-Predators Act, would require all levels of convicted sex offenders to provide their e-mail addresses, instant message screen-names and other Internet information to law enforcement for the National Sex Offender Registry.

Since sex offenders already have to registrar anyway, what will this law really change? "Ok, you have to register yourself but now you have to REALLY registrar yourself." Yet another pointless law that makes something already illegal into something more illegal just so the neocons can suck up to their fundamentalist christian base.

.....a second bill coined Securing Adolescents From Exploitation-Online Act (SAFE Act), would require Internet Service Providers to report any user who is engaging in online sexual activity aimed at locating children and youths to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children

Should have seen it coming. King Bush and all his buddys have wanted to spy on your computer forever but never could get away with it. So they just make it so the ISP will spy on you for them.How much longer will these right wingers keep oppressing our freedoms and get away with it?

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RE: right wing neocons atacking net-porn yet again - 4/10/2007 1:24:01 PM

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Seems like any time those right wing fundamentalist wackos need to pander to their christian base they wind up attacking "porn on the net".From http://www.theithacajournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070410/NEWS01/704100338/1002

The KIDS Act, or Keeping the Internet Devoid of Sexual-Predators Act, would require all levels of convicted sex offenders to provide their e-mail addresses, instant message screen-names and other Internet information to law enforcement for the National Sex Offender Registry.

Since sex offenders already have to registrar anyway, what will this law really change? "Ok, you have to register yourself but now you have to REALLY registrar yourself." Yet another pointless law that makes something already illegal into something more illegal just so the neocons can suck up to their fundamentalist christian base.

.....a second bill coined Securing Adolescents From Exploitation-Online Act (SAFE Act), would require Internet Service Providers to report any user who is engaging in online sexual activity aimed at locating children and youths to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children

Should have seen it coming. King Bush and all his buddys have wanted to spy on your computer forever but never could get away with it. So they just make it so the ISP will spy on you for them.How much longer will these right wingers keep oppressing our freedoms and get away with it?

Well, first of all, which freedoms are you speaking of? The freedom of a pedophile to contact minors? Cause as a freedom, that's one I'm having difficulties with.

On the other hand, since I just now initiated a new e-mail account(for work), I fail to see how registering screen names, e-mail addresses, etc will work. It's simply too easy to make up another one.

Furthermore, I'm not really sure how one can equate a justifiable fear of pedophiles (given the television shows out there that are showing how pervasive this activity is) with pandering to a christian fundamentalist base. Personally, I'd equate a law like this as "pandering" to parents' justifiable fears.

So, while I'm not having issues with the concept that some poor person's "freedoms" will supposedly be taken away by a law that requires pedophiles to register screen names, etc, I also don't really see the viability of such a law.

What I AM wondering is how deep the cynicism is to be unable to see, consider or even attempt to understand that parents are terribly afraid of the world that their children are growing up in and more often than not these days, knee jerk in an attempt to keep them safe. And instead of attempting to understand this, someone is labeling it a fundamentalist christian wacko concept.

I'm not a fundamentalist christian wacko and yet, while I can pause long enough to understand that this knee-jerk reaction will do very little to protect children, I do understand how this can come about - and it has little to nothing to do with christianity, fundamentalism or wackiness.

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RE: right wing neocons atacking net-porn yet again - 4/10/2007 11:18:52 PM

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Let me guess, are you suggesting PARENTING as a substitute for all our wonderful modern substitutes ?

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RE: right wing neocons atacking net-porn yet again - 4/11/2007 1:39:52 AM

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The bills are suggesting parenting, just not by parents...

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RE: right wing neocons atacking net-porn yet again - 4/11/2007 5:09:47 AM

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Gotta give Bush some credit. Instead of taking your right to privacy away entirely he seemed to hold himself back this time.

I don't see anything really wrong with the above laws. Other than to question how ISP's determine if someone is looking for minor for sex.

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RE: right wing neocons atacking net-porn yet again - 4/11/2007 6:04:38 AM

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Let me guess, are you suggesting PARENTING as a substitute for all our wonderful modern substitutes ?

T

what a concept eh?

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RE: right wing neocons atacking net-porn yet again - 4/11/2007 6:10:24 AM

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The bills are suggesting parenting, just not by parents...

To me, the bills are not suggesting anything other than a fear of the world, a desire to keep children safe and a misguided idea of what the compter/internet can and cannot do.

To me, the bills represent parenting, but the kind of parenting that reminds me of nemo's father on Finding Nemo. Fear for his child's welfare made him fear everything - to the extent that outside influences had to be avoided at all costs. I can completely relate to that. I'd LOVE to keep and protect my children from the world. However, keeping to the Finding Nemo theme I'm working from here, If I kept everything from my children, I'd be keeping them from everything.

Pedophiles I hope will stay a long long long way away from them. I just don't see what these laws will do to help me be sure of that. But I CAN understand the desire and intent behind bills such as this one - and it has absolutely nothing to do with christian fundamentalist wackos.

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RE: right wing neocons atacking net-porn yet again - 4/11/2007 11:24:27 AM

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Losing adult content online doesn't bother me all that much because as an adult, i can go to play parties and see all i want of other consenting adults in a myriad of situations - and it's so much better because 1) it's the real thing and 2) it's other consenting adults, not unmentionables being abused.

Just my $.02 worth...and not fundamentalist $.02 either...just good ol slave pennies here. :)

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RE: right wing neocons atacking net-porn yet again - 4/11/2007 1:49:44 PM

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I love how leftists need to latch onto some conspiratorial enemy (in this case, the neo-conservatives) and attach any wrong doing to that enemy. The bill was proposed by liberal Democrat senator Charles Schumer of NY and yet somehow the poster has the urge to tell us the bill is the fault of fundamentalist conservatives.

Now besides that issue... what exactly is wrong with trying to stop child pornography?

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RE: right wing neocons atacking net-porn yet again - 4/11/2007 4:13:34 PM

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I like porn... I don't like the idea that government, especially when it's not even MY government, should be allowed to monitor my smut intake (which, admittedly, is prodigeous).

Lawbreakers are not obeying the laws... so what is the point of introducing MORE laws for them to ignore?

Parents are not protecting their own children... and rather than take responsibility for their own indolence and incompetence, they bleat and complain about it.

And I'm going to get caught in the crossfire. Hell yes, I'm objecting.

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RE: right wing neocons atacking net-porn yet again - 4/11/2007 5:39:59 PM

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I love how leftists need to latch onto some conspiratorial enemy (in this case, the neo-conservatives) and attach any wrong doing to that enemy. The bill was proposed by liberal Democrat senator Charles Schumer of NY and yet somehow the poster has the urge to tell us the bill is the fault of fundamentalist conservatives.

Now besides that issue... what exactly is wrong with trying to stop child pornography?

Dang it! You gave away the punch line too quick. I was having fun seeing people ranting and raving againt "the evil bush adminstearion".

I shoulld add that he is not exactly a "christian fundementalist" either. I wonder how many people will change their opinion about this bill now that they know the "other" side is sponcering it.

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RE: right wing neocons atacking net-porn yet again - 4/11/2007 6:35:43 PM

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Oh THT you nutter. I was like...wtf is up with him? This post is totally out of character. BTW, there was a thread at b.com worrying about you, where you had gone, if you were dead etc.

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RE: right wing neocons atacking net-porn yet again - 4/12/2007 5:32:35 AM

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RE: right wing neocons atacking net-porn yet again - 4/12/2007 5:56:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: Spar

I love how leftists need to latch onto some conspiratorial enemy (in this case, the neo-conservatives) and attach any wrong doing to that enemy. The bill was proposed by liberal Democrat senator Charles Schumer of NY and yet somehow the poster has the urge to tell us the bill is the fault of fundamentalist conservatives.

Now besides that issue... what exactly is wrong with trying to stop child pornography?

Dang it! You gave away the punch line too quick. I was having fun seeing people ranting and raving againt "the evil bush adminstearion".

I shoulld add that he is not exactly a "christian fundementalist" either. I wonder how many people will change their opinion about this bill now that they know the "other" side is sponcering it.

Ummm...

I believe that "punch line" was exposed in the FIRST response to your post.

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RE: right wing neocons atacking net-porn yet again - 4/12/2007 4:38:42 PM

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Hi all...
The OP is right, these bills are a HUGE threat to freedom.

Requiring ISPs to report anything they THINK solicits a minor? That means we trust the ISP, and I dont trust this rapidly increasing paranoid society to really know what is solicitation and what is not, and what is fiction and what is not.

Having these laws sets REALLY dangerous precedent. Once they are in place, they can be applied to other situations that involve NO kids at all. For instance, the Patriot Act's provisions have been used to spy on drug cases, and in sex crimes. If they get this, they can use the established precedent to further erode our freedoms.

Im all for stopping REAL harm to kids, in ways that are effective. I am NOT in favor of anything that does no good and is a threat to all our potential freedoms.

Sincerely
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RE: right wing neocons atacking net-porn yet again - 4/14/2007 6:25:43 AM

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I shoulld add that he is not exactly a "christian fundementalist" either. I wonder how many people will change their opinion about this bill now that they know the "other" side is sponcering it.

I don't care for left-wing fascists any more than I do right-wing fascists.

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