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RE: Who works more: Men or Women? - 4/18/2007 3:28:15 PM

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According to the article, both labor for pay and labor in raising children/caring for a home is considered "work"... and it is not qualified or quantified by your enjoyment level in those activities. The article also does not attempt to address the level of difficulties people encounter while engaging in different kinds of work, nor does it indicate the ability of the study participants to categorize how they spend their time based on their own personal perceptions.

I'm sure the gentlemen analyzing the data realized the futility of arguing the details.

indeed, it would have (at the very least) made their study and their alleged conclusions moot, un-noteworthy and quite possibly a waste of time and/or money to have to include individual perception when that was obviously not the intention of the study.

btw---isn't omitting individuality what studies to prove some generality that "Group X" does more/cares more/has more versus "Group Y" necessary?

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RE: Who works more: Men or Women? - 4/18/2007 5:08:00 PM

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RE: Who works more: Men or Women? - 4/18/2007 8:01:02 PM

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That is how I feel, also. There's tons of fantastic things about raising children but nothing can drain me the way it can, too. When I worked outside of home, it didn't *feel* like work, it didn't *take* the same things from me. It took all the easily replenishable stuff and if it wasn't to my liking, I could change it. The choice was there

You know, it was not the parenting work part of it that was exhausting for me on many levels, it was doing it alone. I just did not have someone to come home to me to share it all with. I never took the easy way out. I worked my schedule around my mom's so she could watch him. It was the responsibility that was completely and totally upon my shoulders as a single mom that I cannot communicate properly I suppose. I think that for someone that has a submissive sort of personality, that sense of complete and total responsibility was overwhelming. Never an "off" moment for many years... even if I got an evening out I spent it worried about my UM. I did not get child support, my ex lived in another state and never had my UM on the weekend... so my experience of parenting was full of seriousness and responsibility of wanting so much not to let him down and to do it right. I literally was mother and father to him. I made sure I walked him to the bus stop, and home from school. I made sure I was at every parent teacher conference. I volunteered in his class until he was in third grade, and I was the field trip mom.

I am downsizing my life lately getting ready for a move, and I was going through all the school work I had saved from when he was wee (he is now 6 foot 4). All those memories came flooding back. I would not change the way I did things given the tools I had, but for one thing, I wish I had not let the weight of the responsibility take some of my youthful energy and spunk away, because being the one where the buck stops is not all fun and games... it is work, work that is well worth doing.

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RE: Who works more: Men or Women? - 4/18/2007 8:01:41 PM

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personally, i think women work harder. not only do some have to put in several hours at a job, they have to come home, tend the house, kids, family...and have then they have to deal with men all day...plus...quite a few put in extra time when they have a child...can any man possible survive giving birth to a child...i think not.

LOL

I remembered when I was married and I would come home from work and cook dinner (because my ex could burn water), clean the house (because my ex was too busy on the phone or the internet all day), spend time with my kids (because my ex-wife was with them all day and it was my turn (this is a euphemism for sending them to school at 730 and being there for them from 3pm until 4pm when I got home from work)), read books to them (this is a euphemism for my ex wife needing to talk to her friends on the phone for 3 hours every night). Help them with their homework (this is a euphemism for my ex-wife thinking my kids could not do it themselves and wanted somebody to do it for them) . Etc. Then I would fall asleep at midnight so I could wake up at 4am to start it all over.

Meanwhile, my ex-wife complained because she was the one who did all the work around the house and raising the kids.

Some people are mercifully not afflicted with an ability to view their own actions and reality in context.

Just me, etc.

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p.s. I have a problem with any study which tries to apply an definitive conclusion to a diverse population. I know women who work more than men. I know men who work more than women. Seems to me that the only thing this particular study is intended to do is to get people to argue over who is more hard done by in life. I have met any number of people who need to be dragged behind the convenience store, have Tyler Durden point a gun at their head, and tell them to do what they really wanted to do in life and stop screwing around.

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RE: Who works more: Men or Women? - 4/18/2007 8:18:07 PM

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I have a problem with any study which tries to apply an definitive conclusion to a diverse population.

I think that this is something that anthropologists have been trying to quantify for a very long time. It would make sense that in a culture such as ours that work would be equally divided... in other cultures this is not so.

In hunting societies, for example, women work more hours, but men do work that is considered more prized... the hunt for protien. Or at least that is what some of the people that studied societies such as these claim.

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RE: Who works more: Men or Women? - 4/21/2007 3:36:13 AM

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That is how I feel, also. There's tons of fantastic things about raising children but nothing can drain me the way it can, too. When I worked outside of home, it didn't *feel* like work, it didn't *take* the same things from me. It took all the easily replenishable stuff and if it wasn't to my liking, I could change it. The choice was there

You know, it was not the parenting work part of it that was exhausting for me on many levels, it was doing it alone. I just did not have someone to come home to me to share it all with. I never took the easy way out. I worked my schedule around my mom's so she could watch him. It was the responsibility that was completely and totally upon my shoulders as a single mom that I cannot communicate properly I suppose. I think that for someone that has a submissive sort of personality, that sense of complete and total responsibility was overwhelming. Never an "off" moment for many years... even if I got an evening out I spent it worried about my UM. I did not get child support, my ex lived in another state and never had my UM on the weekend... so my experience of parenting was full of seriousness and responsibility of wanting so much not to let him down and to do it right. I literally was mother and father to him. I made sure I walked him to the bus stop, and home from school. I made sure I was at every parent teacher conference. I volunteered in his class until he was in third grade, and I was the field trip mom.

I am downsizing my life lately getting ready for a move, and I was going through all the school work I had saved from when he was wee (he is now 6 foot 4). All those memories came flooding back. I would not change the way I did things given the tools I had, but for one thing, I wish I had not let the weight of the responsibility take some of my youthful energy and spunk away, because being the one where the buck stops is not all fun and games... it is work, work that is well worth doing.

I DO find parenting hard work. I know you have been/are a single mother and I was speaking from that position too, although even when my husband was alive, four sprogs were jolly hard work.

Quite frankly, being totally responsible for four sprogs, alone, even WITHOUT a submissive personality, still is overwhelming at times. It's never been the sprogs themselves that have drained me, it's knowing that there's no-one else but me that has to do it, along with keeping the home running and all that having a family contains.

I don't really think about whether it's worth doing or not.

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RE: Who works more: Men or Women? - 4/21/2007 3:49:47 AM

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