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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/19/2007 7:35:09 AM

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Heh. I'll be honest. It's for the money. I looked up the highest paying degrees and chose #1. Chemical Engineering. I've earned several degrees already. This will be my last one before I enter the work force. It's time I actually do something. I am hoping to go to lawschool in the end, though, and be a lawyer, like my father was. I think I'd enjoy getting to use my logic competatively- it's always been my favorite application. :P

I'm glad your husband made it! I found Basic Electronics far more difficult than many higher level courses in different areas! It's a lot to keep up with. (Also, between BE and one of my earlier Physics labs, I've managed to electricute myself quite a few times. Experimenting with things you don't quite understand yet can be an educational, and shocking, experience.)

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/19/2007 7:42:34 AM

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Wow you're educated. He actually designed fiber-optic computer networks, for a regional ultility company, mostly. But, he also had a free-lance business as a consultant on the side, that I designed his marketing plan and brochure for, that he enjoyed.

Because when you work for the government, like he did, it can be a hassle getting a hearing as far as "red-tape", etc. to get stuff implemented, even if it's really a great design, so free-lance work was his answer to that.

Anyway, I won't hi-jack the thread. But good luck!

- Susan

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/19/2007 7:45:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Someone that wrote something of such a condescending nature would never have appealed to me because intellect without kindness, patience, and humility mean nothing... I could date a smart computer if all was necessary was the ability to process information, heart and soul are much more rare than intellectual capacity in my experience.

I wasn't going to bother posting to this thread because I found the nature of the OP to be condescending and insulting, but I saw this post and think this is a very good point. A person's ability to relate to others, in all walks of life, is as impressive to me as intelligence.

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/19/2007 7:48:33 AM

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based on a misunderstanding of the fundamental nature of economics

Economics is a science in its own mind only and is simply a study of correlation not causation. It pushes out of the equation anything that can't be quantified and thus the entire social "equation" is left out as is the cause/nature of advances in efficiency. It would be like trying to understand how our solar system functions but not wanting to deal with the sun because it was too big and complex. You simply decide that it is a given that planets rotate in a circle and then begin your theory from there. Since modern economic theory cannot fully explain why Mexico with oil, cheap labor, and a perfect location is a failure and Japan with no natural resources is a success, that sort of fails the standard definition of a theory.

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/19/2007 7:50:21 AM

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Wow, SimplyMichael you are pretty intelligent too IMO (and I am not being patronizing, hehe).

owned girlie: If I recall, some have called that Emotional Intelligence - and many don't recognize that as intelligence, but I think there are all kinds of "intelligence", and I think someone made a point it has to be defined, for it to be discussed. I consider diplomatic ability and empathy, to be abilities as legitimate (and more valuable) as anyone's reading, verbal or math skills.

Might not pay as well to have those, but that is debatable. If people can't get along with the boss, they may have a hard time politically on a job. And a really sociopathic CEO can create a toxic atmosphere in a workplace, where nobody wants to work, or be productive. Just like any bad Dom could do, in a relationship (or sub) and vice-versa.

- Susan

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/19/2007 7:53:58 AM

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There are oodles of papers written on EI for the corporate world. I've been a proponent of educating our executives on this topic. The ability to motivate and get the best out of others surpasses basic intellect.

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/19/2007 7:56:33 AM

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owned girlie: It seems like it would. My mom (when she was alive) was an elementary school teacher. She could sometimes get kids to love reading, who had been deemed by previous teachers to be"incorrigible". Because she made them feel special, and knew how to motivate them.

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/19/2007 8:26:17 AM

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owned girlie: If I recall, some have called that Emotional Intelligence - and many don't recognize that as intelligence, but I think there are all kinds of "intelligence", and I think someone made a point it has to be defined, for it to be discussed. I consider diplomatic ability and empathy, to be abilities as legitimate (and more valuable) as anyone's reading, verbal or math skills.

I know we're not supposed to cite references and the like, but I thought I'd point out that Howard Gardner, in his theory of multiple intelligences has identified 7 or 8 qualitiativly different kinds of intelligences (he's still coming up with them so the number is only an approximation) that stand along side the sorts of intelligence typically tested by standard IQ tests. EQ would come under what he calls "personal intelligences."

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/19/2007 8:29:37 AM

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I have that book, "Emotional Intelligence" by Gardner. I thought it was a great read, and really interesting.

- Susan

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/19/2007 8:30:05 AM

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I haven't read through the whole thread, so forgive me if my points have alread been made, otherwise...

It's impossible to have a true and lasting relationship without an intellectual connection. The physical connection can only last so long before one partner realizes that his or her partner is much too intellectually inferior or superior to maintain the relationship outside of play. And how many of us are in play mode all the time?

The point, then, is not that a certain level of intellect or a number of academic degrees is required or appealing, but a more or less similar level of intellect. Everyone looks for it, whether implicitly or explicitly.

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/19/2007 8:47:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

I'm entirely behind her idea that the academic world encourages egos. My ego could sink a battleship.

Fascinating. I wonder whether all the people who found school humiliating, degrading, or just plain hard, would agree that the academic world encourages egos....? Maybe the professor's egos, son...

... and btw, having a big ego isn't equated with intellect in any way.

Yes, it's true, I sunk your battleship. Try staying at one school and finishing the degree, before taking credit for it.

*edited for a spelling error

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/19/2007 9:10:22 AM

CuriousLord

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Aww.. a baby troll! :D

Seriously, I get you're into the whole "I'm more of an intellect than you" thing and I'm probably a threat to your ego, but, com'n. Lighten up.

Ah wells. I'm amused, so why not? :P
-Obviously ego isn't intellect. I was poking fun at myself when I said I had a huge ego, silly.
-When you're in hard sciences, you get an ego. Not sure what you got in a social art. ..bitterness? ;)
-The battleship wasn't mine. I realize you're trying to be clever with the cliche, but it's not appliciable.. it just sounds weird..
-I've finished two degrees and a certificate..
-Why stay at one school? Are you asking me to be closed-minded?
-Your ego's bigger than mine. I can assure you, that's an achomplishment unto itself. Be proud!

Edit (Disclaimer: Not actually an edit)- If you care about spelling, you're missing one. ;)
*Trolls the troll.*

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/19/2007 9:20:02 AM

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So is this what I sound like when I get in a pissing contest? It feels so manly when I do it but this just seems so so so unnatractive.

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/19/2007 9:40:33 AM

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

Umm.... I am constantly amazed that people still assume if you have book smarts you are incapable of running a household, balancing a checkbook, holding a conversation, or doing any sort of ordinary world things. Believe it or not, some people can master a variety of tasks. Intelligence covers a broad scope of activity, which may ALSO mean book smart.
Having gotten those degrees, raised 4 really exceptional kids, bought and sold a home or two, having run a business, and been able to converse with bikers or politico's, I never dismiss anyone's booksmarts in favor of lifesmarts. Intelligence is the ability to use what you have learned, no matter where you may have picked it up.
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That's why some of the replies have mentioned both education and intelligence or intellectual curiosity. They are different things but as a college teacher I can tell you that they are also related in many people.

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/19/2007 10:12:32 AM

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ORIGINAL: OedipusRexIt

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

I'm entirely behind her idea that the academic world encourages egos. My ego could sink a battleship.

Fascinating. I wonder whether all the people who found school humiliating, degrading, or just plain hard, would agree that the academic world encourages egos....? Maybe the professor's egos, son...

... and btw, having a big ego isn't equated with intellect in any way.

Yes, it's true, I sunk your battleship. Try staying at one school and finishing the degree, before taking credit for it.

*edited for a spelling error

Darling I think you just sank your own! What a truly condescending unpleasant person you are.

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/19/2007 11:10:59 AM

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This thread has lost its intellectual appeal.

(Not that it had much intellectual appeal to begin with, considering the original poster's own words in the first post: "... I'd be particularly interested in skipping past those posts which are excessively long, include numerous quotes...")

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/19/2007 11:15:03 AM

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Just a thought from a lowly intelligence here.. but isnt intellectual appeal going to be a relative thing? I mean your only precived as intelligent relative to the person doing the preciveing!! If your lost t in the out back country, your gonna look pretty stupid , to the local bush man who knows the entire area.

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/19/2007 11:32:53 AM

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Intelligence is ...reading between the lines...

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/19/2007 11:37:18 AM

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ORIGINAL: badpaliden

Just a thought from a lowly intelligence here.. but isnt intellectual appeal going to be a relative thing? I mean your only precived as intelligent relative to the person doing the preciveing!! If your lost t in the out back country, your gonna look pretty stupid , to the local bush man who knows the entire area.

Exactly.

I look for someone who is at least close to my intellectual equal -- he/she would be curious and capable of learning new things. The standard is, well, me because its about who I would attracted too beyond the inital thrill you might get from looking at some one.

Education is another thing. I actually don't expect another PhD to sub to me or be married to me. Education is a factor of income and opportunity not just intelligence or intellectual curiosity.

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RE: Intellectual Appeal - 4/19/2007 12:28:23 PM

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I'd have to say intellectual compatibality is my number one requirement in finding a Dom. Hell, just finding a man in general.
Though if I was being 100% honest, it's the merging of intellectual compatibility and attravtiveness that make me want someone.

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