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Zero Point Energy - Savior or Doomsday Technology - 4/21/2007 10:15:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Zero point energy otherwise known as scalar energy, the energy in the vaccuum, is the hottest new topic in the revolution for new energy sources.  or is it really?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2464139837181538044&q=free+energy

Would free limitless power save us or kill us? 





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RE: Zero Point Energy - Savior or Doomsday Technology - 4/21/2007 10:35:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well Imagine if the VA Tech shooter could have blown up the world with stuff from a hardware store.  Personaly if all the stories about Tesla were true, I am glad they destroyed the stuff.  Thats what I part of what I pay my taxes for.

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RE: Zero Point Energy - Savior or Doomsday Technology - 4/21/2007 10:56:22 AM   
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Well Imagine if the VA Tech shooter could have blown up the world with stuff from a hardware store.  Personally if all the stories about Tesla were true, I am glad they destroyed the stuff.  Thats what I part of what I pay my taxes for.


Naw it'd be good, because then we'd have consumer level space travel, and I'd be  cruising around the cosmos in my space ship(No taxes, at last). Screw the Earth at that point. The Neighborhood has gone to hell. 

Also in theory, all you need is a free power source, and you could create anything you ever wanted.  Replicators would rock.....

Yeah, I've been watching my old Star Trek TNG DVD's.

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RE: Zero Point Energy - Savior or Doomsday Technology - 4/21/2007 11:33:48 AM   
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Well Imagine if the VA Tech shooter could have blown up the world with stuff from a hardware store.  Personally if all the stories about Tesla were true, I am glad they destroyed the stuff.  Thats what I part of what I pay my taxes for.


Naw it'd be good, because then we'd have consumer level space travel, and I'd be  cruising around the cosmos in my space ship(No taxes, at last). Screw the Earth at that point. The Neighborhood has gone to hell. 

Also in theory, all you need is a free power source, and you could create anything you ever wanted.  Replicators would rock.....

Yeah, I've been watching my old Star Trek TNG DVD's.



Hey sg1 has a couple great episodes on replicators of a different flavor lol

This form of energy is nothing new frankly as it has been around since the turn of the century, the problem is that tesla's funding was cut when they realized they could not meter this source of energy. 

Since everything that i am aware of that tesla laid his hands on worked when he was done, i have no real reason to think this would not have worked also.   That and with nasa looking into it now that tends to put more credibility on it as well.

Even einstein recognized the existance and possibilities of it.   i am thinking that tesla came to his conclusions when his largest coil mysterioulsy surged and self destructed.  i cant help but wonder if mankind was not set back 100 years because of it.







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RE: Zero Point Energy - Savior or Doomsday Technology - 4/22/2007 12:59:07 PM   
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Hey sg1 has a couple great episodes on replicators of a different flavor lol

This form of energy is nothing new frankly as it has been around since the turn of the century, the problem is that tesla's funding was cut when they realized they could not meter this source of energy. 

Since everything that i am aware of that tesla laid his hands on worked when he was done, i have no real reason to think this would not have worked also.   That and with nasa looking into it now that tends to put more credibility on it as well.

Even einstein recognized the existance and possibilities of it.   i am thinking that tesla came to his conclusions when his largest coil mysterioulsy surged and self destructed.  i cant help but wonder if mankind was not set back 100 years because of it.



Tesla is my all time favourite person of all time. Tesla was a true genius, I think what he did was more important than Einstein. Tesla was practical and that is what I like, and to this day we benefit from his work in nearly every single device we use. Einstein, important in a philosophical kinda way. And Nuclear energy. Could live without Einstein and wouldn't care much. But remove tesla, and you have to remove half the inventions on the planet.

I don't know about all the zero point energy inventions, though. There is proof that energy is in every inch of every space in the observable universe. The background energy. They've also observed particles popping in and out of existance at the sub atomic level. So, my inclination is to believe that can be tapped, and if any one figured it out it would be Tesla. He essentially invented or contributed substantially to every basic electrical device we use to this day. So, we live in his world.

But I watched that video you referenced before and I'm not sure that those are it. Any of them could be, but it's unlikely.

The logic is if I built a free energy machine. I wouldn't tell anyone, I'd simply sell the electricity, take that money build another machine and sell that electricity(repeat), then since I have no costs after the machine is built. I'd simply start buying up companies stock, and taking them over. Until I was the super massive megacorp, which one could be in short order with such a device. So, it makes me skeptical when someone claims these things because you really could be the first trillionaire if you kept it secret, and just sold the energy.

There really is no advantage to selling the units. As opposed to selling the energy derived from them.

www.steorn.com, is claiming to have built a magnet motor that is in current scientific testing. I'm hopeful of course but doubtful. There are a lot of claims for this stuff. But no one ever seems to publish clear concise instructions for building one, only unprovable video. And those that do print instructions, no one can get them to work, after laboring to build one for a year.

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RE: Zero Point Energy - Savior or Doomsday Technology - 4/22/2007 1:50:05 PM   
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Zero point energy otherwise known as scalar energy, the energy in the vaccuum, is the hottest new topic in the revolution for new energy sources.  or is it really?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2464139837181538044&q=free+energy

Would free limitless power save us or kill us? 



This video spends a lot of time expressing the fact that scientists are bad.

The proof is in the pudding.  If China (which doesnt necessarily agree with the concept of intellectual property rights) starts building these devices on a broad scale (since one has to provide the plans to the public domain in order to apply for a patent) after the patents are granted, I will believe it is functional.

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RE: Zero Point Energy - Savior or Doomsday Technology - 4/22/2007 1:54:55 PM   
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RE: Zero Point Energy - Savior or Doomsday Technology - 4/22/2007 3:08:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm a Physics major, and I still haven't studied enough to get this subject!

I'm a bit.. DID sometimes..
one of my sides is.. far greater than the others, but I suffer it infrequently.
I remember it read up on the subject a bit and grew rather inflamed, claiming something about it drawing necessary kenetic energy from space.. sort of like, if you're on a ball, flying through an atmosphrere with a frictionless flight path, you'll be fine, so long as you stay at surficient velocity to remain in orbit (and don't collide with anything!).  But, if you start to use wind generators, with their new-found ability to draw on friction, you'll gain seemingly free power.. but it's draining the kenetic energy you required to remain in orbit.
Anyhow, that's the analogy he used to try to describe it to me.

Personally, I'd still be interested in learning about it.  I doubt any vital energy would be fatalty damage from small-scale investigations to understand it, I'd just be reluctant to center a booming economy about it before it's better understood.

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RE: Zero Point Energy - Savior or Doomsday Technology - 4/22/2007 3:17:04 PM   
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www.steorn.com, is claiming to have built a magnet motor that is in current scientific testing. I'm hopeful of course but doubtful. There are a lot of claims for this stuff. But no one ever seems to publish clear concise instructions for building one, only unprovable video. And those that do print instructions, no one can get them to work, after laboring to build one for a year.



i am not si sure i like that motor because magnets wear out, is that the same one that is out of germany selling those 150kw mag generators for like 150 grand that have to be reworked every 5 years?

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RE: Zero Point Energy - Savior or Doomsday Technology - 4/22/2007 5:34:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, they are different, (In the above link I accidently included a trailing comma).

They haven't released the details of it, but they seem to think they have something because they are now testing it with volunteer scientists. They say they are doing it this way to overcome the skeptics.  As if they get scientists involved from the beginning to verify it, everyone will accept it and produce it. As opposed to releasing it then fightinng for scientific approval.

Don't know, but they are supposed to release the scientists result this year.



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RE: Zero Point Energy - Savior or Doomsday Technology - 4/23/2007 7:40:04 AM   
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No, they are different, (In the above link I accidently included a trailing comma).

They haven't released the details of it, but they seem to think they have something because they are now testing it with volunteer scientists. They say they are doing it this way to overcome the skeptics.  As if they get scientists involved from the beginning to verify it, everyone will accept it and produce it. As opposed to releasing it then fightinng for scientific approval.

Don't know, but they are supposed to release the scientists result this year.






i wonder why they claim it violates the the conservation of energy because it does not.   These systems are said to be "open ended".   The only way they could violate that law is if they were not.


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RE: Zero Point Energy - Savior or Doomsday Technology - 4/23/2007 3:52:59 PM   
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RE: Zero Point Energy - Savior or Doomsday Technology - 4/23/2007 8:07:58 PM   
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Love the link, N4SDChastity.

I was reading a few months ago about nebula explosions.  Apparently, these are the result of stars undergoing fusion reaction until a significant core of their mass is nickel, which does not undergo fusion.  Since it is a function of a turbulent and chaotic explosion, it tends to be off center.

What this means for the sake of our story is that there is an enormous boom, and because it is an off-center explosion (action has an equal and opposite reaction) an extremely dense core of nickel goes blasting off at speed, in the opposite direction to the majority of the explosion, into the universe.

While we might be happily sitting here some time and a big giant nickel comes rocketing through our solar system, and drags (gravity, stars that explode have significantly greater mass than our sun does) our sun and/or planets on a new E-ticket ride throughout the cosmos.

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RE: Zero Point Energy - Savior or Doomsday Technology - 4/23/2007 8:51:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		cold fusion is more obtainable than that----

to create such a void that would hold an  electron at speeds approaching 1 divided by zero?  you could create worlds from it no doubt.........



But you remember how a guy by the name of Nader got his start?   Corvair gas tank ruptures don't cover it.   All this shit is funny till somebody pokes an eye out. 

Interestingly enough, it may decimate ubitqious tailgating, but as I said, I will murder anyone who would make batmobiles for common use, I would be the John Brown of Harpers Ferry, in terms of quantum mechanics.


Let's pass that until we can figure out how to stop flies from spontaneously materializing in putrid flesh.

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RE: Zero Point Energy - Savior or Doomsday Technology - 4/23/2007 9:00:50 PM   
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I recall vaguely a sci-fi story wherein someone figured out how to tap into the energy of the earth's rotation, which worked very well for awhile... and then there is the notion of n-dimensional sources which we might tap into.

Fun stuff

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RE: Zero Point Energy - Savior or Doomsday Technology - 4/23/2007 9:05:40 PM   
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Flows so naturally such dancing prose ...

I recall vaguely a sci-fi story wherein someone figured out how to tap into the energy of the earth's rotation, which worked very well for awhile... and then there is the notion of n-dimensional sources which we might tap into.

Fun stuff


Read about what they are doing to harness wave action underwater.  This is harnessing in to the energy of the Earth's rotation, etc...

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RE: Zero Point Energy - Savior or Doomsday Technology - 4/23/2007 9:15:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		well, there is energy sources the world over, consider the Kcal of energy to raise water temperature one joule from freezing in the spring, now if we could put that in a ford taurus (modified for sure) and ping them little electrons thru a venturi, well hell we got us an engine.

It's kinda like the callahan tunnel in boston, if the traffic flows thru as devised; good to go, somebody breaks down in there or shoots somebody, the world stops for a lot of fucked people and nobody gets to the airport.

Interestingly enough, the exceptions are going to loom rather large on societies horizons, and if we can't do the math to consider that corn whiskey can not be made fast enough to drive an auto, I would hesitate to see dick cheney demonstrate the first motorcar driven by hydrogen fuel cells, what you gonna call it, the hindenburg?

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RE: Zero Point Energy - Savior or Doomsday Technology - 4/29/2007 4:21:01 AM   
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well, there is energy sources the world over, consider the Kcal of energy to raise water temperature one joule from freezing in the spring, now if we could put that in a ford taurus (modified for sure) and ping them little electrons thru a venturi, well hell we got us an engine.

It's kinda like the callahan tunnel in boston, if the traffic flows thru as devised; good to go, somebody breaks down in there or shoots somebody, the world stops for a lot of fucked people and nobody gets to the airport.

Interestingly enough, the exceptions are going to loom rather large on societies horizons, and if we can't do the math to consider that corn whiskey can not be made fast enough to drive an auto, I would hesitate to see dick cheney demonstrate the first motorcar driven by hydrogen fuel cells, what you gonna call it, the hindenburg?

Edward R. Murrow



actually off of bolivia they have a system that uses the surface temp versus the deep cold to run huge generators for power in the ocean so that is actually practical and being used.

There is a guy who has a motor that is claimed to get more power out than in, or at a minmum uses extremely little input power to get huge output power, the name is hmm... joe nueman i think.

That and hydrogen can be made way cheaper than the gov reports show


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