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Head's not quite working - 4/22/2007 7:30:10 PM   
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This is really a vent.  As soon as it loses your interest, feel free to move on.  I'm just having such a problem and need to get it out.  Hell, there's even an off chance someone can help me.  But I really feel the need to empathesize this is a deseperate post I'm making out of a broken feeling.  It's not worth anyone's time.  Just.. need to get it out of me this way before it comes out in more harmful manner.

It's 10:01 PM on Sunday night, and I'm in my dorm room, my slave on the phone, trying to write a paper on nuclear power plants in the future.  I can't focus.  I can't even out the outline started.  I'm supposed to be a genius afflicted by minor ADD, but I can't feel it.  I'm lost.  Everything feels like it's just not working.  It hasn't, for years now, for most of the time.. with few exceptions.
Every time I try loading something, a thought of genearlized proportion, my mind tries to start up.. then fizzles.  Nothing.  It comes back black, empty, and part of my energy is missing.  I get a physically weak feeling, and I'm drained.

That's the problem.  Here's my history, as best as I know it helps applying to this.
As a kid, I was bright in math and science (past the "gifted" level), below the average level (almost to the point of remedial classes) in English, needed therapy to speak, and on par with most everything else.  Both of my parents were highly intelligent and I grew up in a loving, wealthy home in South Florida with my happily-married parents, one little brother (14 months younger), and one or two small dogs.  I was typically silly and a loner.  Very aggressive and ready to fight, yet never a bully.
I had been strangled at birth by the cord, causing suffocation that damaged part of my brain, mostly the speech center, before they could save me. 

By middle school, it was obvious I was far and beyond my peers in Math and Science.  My father refused to allow me to skip grades.. said it'd mess me up socially.  They allowed me to take night classes at the local community college and summer classes at various universities in Florida.  I found no challenge, starting at the age of 11 or 12, at these, carrying a 4.0 GPA.

At 13, my parents said we should move back to Virginia, their mutual home state, where the education was better and family was closer.  On visits to various highschools, one of the professors offered to teach me through Ring Theory by the time I was about 17 (that's the totality of Math).  I took the offer and didn't go to college that summer (I think, it's fuzzy), enjoying my last time at home.

Life fell apart at the academy.  It was a military academy and nothing like I expected.  It was hard, malicious, physically intensive, and nonconductive to the time I often required to meditate.  I finished Calculus in the early part of the year there, then fell apart, sick physically and mentally.  My agreement with my father honor bound me to stick out the year, and I did just that.  I was allowed to visit home on Thanksgiving, Christmas, and Spring Breaks.

Just before Spring Break, I broke apart.  Just about snapped.  Then, the week before, I was informed my father had suddenly passed away that morning.  I went back to Florida.  From here, it's even fuzzier.

I'm sincerely sorry to have to be spilling my guts on a life story here.  Even for those who have voluntarily chosen to read it.  There's not much more.

The years after that were mostly spent in angst.  I kept shouting something about something horrible in Physics- apparently, some "univerisal truth" or something I found while studying, just before hearing my father passed.  All I can remember is being violent, hateful, and begging for death while being rolled up on the ground.  Appropriately, I can't remember this time more than blurs.  I remember I wasn't so intelligent anymore.  I was lucky to pass for "not brain dead".

I've recovered, more and more, in the passing years.  I'm off at a different university now.  Everyone acts like I don't have a past.  It's not to be mentioned.  It's such a pain to recall the past.  All there is is a blur of pain and misery, outside of the story I just recounted and some things not of interest to this post.

This gets me to the problem.  Everytime I think- there's some incredible wall of pain that I don't understand, and it throws back any thought I have that could pass as "upper-level".  This includes facts, memory, knowledge, and even genearlized orginization abilities.

I'm trying to write the outline to this paper that's long overdue.  I need to have it done by morning, then cram for a Physics quiz at 4:00 PM, and then do a couple weeks' late Engineering homework for 11 AM of Tuesday.

I.. I don't know what to do.  I'm broken and can't move.  I can't afford to fail.  This paper's at least 13 pages long, and it, along with the workshops surrouding it, will account for 70% to 80% of my final grade.

The highschool got an official IQ test from the state for me.  The final report notes that I scored two points below genius (in the "highly gifted" range), despite having fallen asleep during three seperate portions of the testing and tripping up a flight of stairs.  This was taken about two years after the time I fell apart.  So, apparently, there's still some things to me that work.. but.. I can't pull them together.

I'm supposed to be a genius, but I can't move, nor think, nor even write this god damn paper.  What the hell is wrong with me?
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RE: Head's not quite working - 4/22/2007 7:36:58 PM   
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you need to cry and just let it all out.. but then i'm totally in the mood for crying currently.  i get the same blankness that you get when needing to write papers.  I've been associating it with pregnancy and lack of sleep.  Are ya pregnant and are ya getting enough sleep?  Might be that you need some good old fashion sleep and good old fashion nutrients.  What do you eat?  are you eating healthy?  Brains dont work with out the proper fuel. 

Either that or you've been running from your pain for too long and its caught up to you..... you need to face it.. deal with it....


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RE: Head's not quite working - 4/22/2007 7:44:09 PM   
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I sleep every two to four days.  It's been like this for the last several years.  One to two meals a day right now, typically one, but they're large meals, and that's just due to the busy schedule.
I guess fixing those things would probably help.. but something in me fights it.  I ate just lunch today.  I think I'd throw up if I ate anything else.

A good cry does sound nice.  I don't think I've ever really cried before.  I'm not sure if I could.  As soon as I start thinking about things too much, I fend it off with logic.  If I don't allow myself to do that, I become violent.  I can't sense tears most of the time, though.

PS-  Thanks, btw.  I was sort of expecting to get flamed by everyone who bothered to open this thing up.  Hell, I apprecaite just caring.  It's not like I'm the only person out there with problems, so not sure why anyone would bother with me spilling mine.

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RE: Head's not quite working - 4/22/2007 7:45:09 PM   
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Spilling your guts takes ... guts .. to spill, if you will.

You seem to have a good handle on your situation, which is a good start.

Here's the next, big leap... You can be amazing, fabulous, a genius.  It doesn't mean you have to bear the burden of being 100% perfect.

Allow yourself the healthy ability to make an oops, a mistake, even a horrific blunder, and know you'll still be golden. 

Talk to some people.  You'll find your friends more accepting, and the people who don't cut you slack... ?  They have karma to deal with too.

It'll be ok.  Nobody's perfect.*



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RE: Head's not quite working - 4/22/2007 8:00:14 PM   
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Curious Lord,
 
You are very brave to talk about your problems.  I highly advise you
to talk the mental health counselors at your university tomorrow.
These things happen to bright people, they can help you through it
and you may be able to get an emergency drop from the class
approved by the dean. 
 
Take care,
 
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RE: Head's not quite working - 4/22/2007 8:00:24 PM   
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Have you been put on any kind of medication for the ADD?  If not, i would go see someone.  i have heard it can be very helpful.

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RE: Head's not quite working - 4/22/2007 8:05:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

It's not like I'm the only person out there with problems, so not sure why anyone would bother with me spilling mine.


...it's healthy.  You're on the right track.  Now quit hugging me.

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RE: Head's not quite working - 4/22/2007 8:11:56 PM   
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      Relax.  It's a brain fart.  No big deal.  Cut yourself some slack, drink something strong and watch a good comedy.  Try laughing before you let some counselor tell you how many years of therapy you need or letting them try some experimental (and ALL the brain-meds are experimental) drugs out on you.

    Just because something has always worked in the past doesn't mean it always will.  We humans are a strange species.  Sometimes we change.

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RE: Head's not quite working - 4/22/2007 8:28:51 PM   
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It's really important to get decent sleep.  I've done school several times, and the first time I had a quarter where I got 0-4 hours of sleep per night Sun-Wed.  I was trashed by the end of the quarter.  You've been years with bad sleep and that may have caught up with you.

Same goes on the food.  Your brain may just be running on fumes by now, between the lack of sleep and infrequent eating.

I second the folks who recommend the counseling centers on campus.

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RE: Head's not quite working - 4/22/2007 8:42:27 PM   
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Try not to think about too many things at once. You can cry later. Focus on the paper. My best papers were written the night before or morning of, but I seem to work well under pressure. Start your outline. Keep it simple. Follow the format. Write something, though. Get it going and it will kick in. Even if it sucks, it's more than empty space.
Seeing a school counselor could show you are making an attempt at recognizing you have a problem and trying to seek help. When I had some trouble it didn't do much for me overall, but individual professors appreciated knowing and did what they could for me. Good luck to you.

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RE: Head's not quite working - 4/22/2007 8:42:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Curious Lord,
 
You are very brave to talk about your problems.  I highly advise you
to talk the mental health counselors at your university tomorrow....
Take care,
 
Vendaval


The way I do the math, Vendaval's post is the one to pay attention to.

Good luck to you.

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RE: Head's not quite working - 4/23/2007 2:08:04 AM   
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If it's any consolation, CuriousLord, I am aware of what a powerful, and often explosive combination being gifted, and also having ADD, or Dyslexia, can be for someone, regardless of any other factors which may have been in play for you at the Military Academy.

Not from personal experience, But - I've done a bit of volunteer work with gifted kids, and one thing I noticed, is that they can tend to be very perfectionistic, and sensitive. This is a good thing, I think, btw, more than it's not. Their individuality is to be respected, not reviled, IMO.

It can also have its own set of repercussions for them. You are not alone - I know the realm of the gifted, and highly gifted who may have ADD or Dyslexia can be a path fraught with frustration for some. But it can work out just fine, too, and from what I've read, it very, very often does.

I realize that maybe not all of what you are experiencing is related to having ADD and being a gifted student, and we're all individuals, but - I thought the information I have here (as well as opinions) might be worth passing on for your consideration. Maybe you've heard some akin to them before, but anyway -

Of course all UMs are special, but gifted kids can sometimes simply notice things other kids may not, and sometimes it bothers them, to the point they get ulcers, etc. The flip side also is true, in that when they feel good, or learn something for the sheer joy of it, they really, feel very deeply about whatever it is. I think one thing that gifted state does, is generally just put some in a position to appreciate events, circumstances and what they learn on a truly deep level.

If you want some more insight on this topic, as well as things like gifted kids in our educaation system who cope with things like ADD  - just Google (sometime when you have time, if you're interested) the phrase: Education for highly intelligent children, or education for the highly gifted (or just gifted) on your computer. Particularly interesting, along this line is a site called:

Hoagie's Gifted Education page - it is chock full of information on how to help parents cope w/educating a gifted child, an one who has special needs also, due to things like ADD, Dyslexia, etc. It is a real eye-opener.

Also, there is interesting info there (I think anyway) on how to recognize a truly gifted child, and help them cope with, and develop their potential. Also some interesting articles, IMO, about what repercussions they might suffer in adulthood, if particular areas of their life aren't coped with very well by the education system, adults who surround them, or themselves. 

**if it is any consolation, I know some highly gifted adults who have ADD, or have Dyslexia. What I know about them, is that most found a way to function within that realm, in a way that sometimes successfully hid their ADD or Dyslexia from view of others, because they knew something was "different" about them (and some felt shame about it),  but they also very much knew they also had to find a way to cope.

Sometimes, they also successfully hide the fact they are extra bright, due to other people not "getting" them, etc. And, except for maybe in school, some of the ones I know were quite successful at "dumbing down" for other people, just to feel more like they fit in. They sometimes felt very frustrated, and often misunderstood, by the education system if they attended a school that wasn't particularly "enlightened" to their situation. 

Sometimes, I remember thinking, when I did my volunteer stint w/gifted kids: *"Would you ever expect a Chee-tah, for instance, to run slower, just so it wouldn't upset the other animals?"

Sometimes adults will fund handicapped education, but their response to funding gifted education, even for gifted kids w/ADD & Dyslexia is nil. It doesn't somehow seem to cross some admin. minds, for whatever reason, that these kids are just as vulnerable in these areas, as kids who may not be gifted. The response seems to be sometimes, more like:

'Well, those kids don't need the help. Because - they're going to just bloom no matter where they are planted'. Not necessarily true - it's more like they'll feel sucessfully squelched and ignored, and ever more taught to "dumb it down" just to get along and fit in better. I think knowing how to get along w/people is great, and a necessary social skill, but then so is self-development...

I know several highly gifted adults, some who were propelled by their own energies and curiosity, and others who took advantage of educational opportunities given, to get things such as  advanced degrees. But as many of them who also didn't necessarily go on to things like extended advanced higher education, despite the fact they may do things like spend the entire night reading about a topic that fascinates them, or tear through five novels or other books a week.

Other people might think they are eccentric on occasion, but- so what? Their individuality needs to be respected, IMO, they can discover the world that dwells within them, and revel in that for their own enjoyment, and-or just to enjoy advancing themselves via education, perhaps.

Good luck, please know that you are indeed not alone in your plight, as far as the combo of ADD w/giftedness.

- Susan 

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RE: Head's not quite working - 4/23/2007 3:17:13 AM   
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You're more than the sum of your *giftedness* and life is more than education of an academic nature. It's awfully stressful to be in a position where we feel we *can't afford to fail*.

If you were one of mine, and I heard this, I'd likely say.......Come home, give this up for a while, if your best efforts are causing you so much pain right now, why not focus on a developing a different aspect of yourself?

Perhaps I'm a bad parent, but even though my boys are straight A students, their overall  happiness is more important to me than their academic education.

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RE: Head's not quite working - 4/23/2007 3:23:56 AM   
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Others have mentioned these things so I am simply reiterating their importance - talk to a counsellor at your campus, eat regular meals, if unable to sleep regularly at least try and get some rest - darkened room, no tv, radio or computer.  Do you have a doctor that you can talk to about your lack of sleep, irregular eating and low mood?  It also may be helpful to not get caught up in labels such as 'genius' - what comes through in your post was the weight of expectations, whether from yourself, your family or your teachers.  First and foremost you are a person and it sounds like you are overwhelmed by a number of different aspects of your life.  Very understandable.

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RE: Head's not quite working - 4/23/2007 6:02:55 AM   
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To respond to your question, I doubt there's anything wrong with you.  Its incredibly difficult to be a genius on demand, and when that's what people are expecting, its a hell of a burden.

In my experience, thinking tends to operate on its own schedule and there's nothing I can do to control it.  All I can do is surrender to the process.  Unfortunately, our system of higher education is organized around fixed deadlines and the like.  When I'm really involved in academic work, I become bordline psychotic.  I sleep 3 or 4 hours then work 3 or 4 hours and will do that as long as possible and eat erratically.  If all is going well, I become totally saturated with whatever I'm working on and continue working in my sleep.  Every so often I'd come out of that state and be kind of normal.  My ex called it surfacing.  I'm very productive in that state, but not an especially balanced person and every once in a while I'd crash.

I don't do that much anymore because I have kids and other responsibilities so I have to maintain more of an even keel.  And, as I get older, I can't push myself that hard.  I just don't have it in me anymore.

I don't have any suggestions beyond whats already been offered.  Maybe talk to your professor and discuss your block and talk about options.  Maybe just talking about your ideas will help get your head working again. Maybe ask for an incomplete and take a breather and get some perspective.  Its just one paper in one class.  Its ok to take a bad grade, cause its only a grade.  (I teach at the college level, and thats what I generally tell students in similar situations.)





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RE: Head's not quite working - 4/23/2007 3:46:39 PM   
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What you NEED is a good laugh, but first, understand that most everyone goes through something similiar to what you are experiencing.  You are not alone in your agony.  Find someone to talk it out with.  Feel free to PM me if you want, and I'll give you my number.  I'm not a profesional, just a sympatico ear.  I'll listen, let you emote, then share my story, so we can comiserate.

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RE: Head's not quite working - 4/23/2007 5:17:08 PM   
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Curious;

I am in a way like you. I popped abouyt 162 in the IQ scale, and got 17 out of 30 on the mensa pretest (the public one), but I know I do have some minor cognitive disabilities. Now I am sure we can agree that IQ tests are close to inconclusive at best. My 162 might be 262 for all the know, your whatever it is could be higher, they just didn't ask the right questions. Basically IQ tests measure your ability to absorb and respond to today's technoilogy, and I might add, NOT tomorrow's.

Not only can I tell you things about today's technology that would put hair on most people's chests, curl it and then take it off, I can tell of future technology. With my intricate knowledge of certain things, and heuristic reasoning, I can probably come close.

On a side note CL, in France they are recycling spent fuel. Rejuvinating it somehow. I don't know about the process they are using, but apparently it works. As good news this may be, fission is old news. The future is in fusion and/or direct conversion.

Anyway, let me clue you in a bit about my disorder. I can't understand speech unless it is well formed. Street people need interpreters to talk to me. Now get this, I almost have golden ears, I have very good speakers and am very picky about the audio quality of my stereo. I can hear the difference if my tweeters get heted up on a Friday night. As hard as it might be to understand for a tweeter, they start to sound 'muddy' to me.

I have run through three rooms in a house because someone was talking shit about me, and in a normal tone, they were very surprised that I heard it. But if the speaking is not done correctly, my brain has a very hard time with it. Very hard. Imagine what jail was like for me. It was almost like being a foreigner in my own country ! And THAT's supposedly the English speakers !

I don't undersatand Igger. Youi put whatever lettetr in front of it you want, but W and N fit, depending on your point ov view. Hint: try to avoid using the N. you also discriminate White people with Wh, W by itself can mean wannabe, and it IS taken that way. Took me years to learn that. I had learned longhand square roots on paper in about an hour and a half.

I am probably going to contact you on the other side, if you don't get to me first, but I think alot of things need to se the light of day. I think our diatribe might help others, and as much as possible I'd like to keep it public. We are betraying no secrets. Violating no trust.

A passage from a song I wrote :

Dreams can be your friend,
The fun might never end,
Dreams that don't come true,
Are because of you

Buddy, I really didn't know how much I meant that when I wrote it. The song is called The Answer In The End. Full lyrics are avaialble on request, but what of that ?

They say you got ADD, but you have no problem paying attention when you want to. This boils down to a matter of self control, and really, there is something else. See I am self educated.

We have a cadre of people who somehow think thay know what is best for us to learn and when. Is it possible CL, that you are normal ? That your simple disinterest in a certain subject made them label you ? You have a mind. Think about it. There might not be a damnthing wrong with you. This train of thought is not a dead end, even if you were stupid, you could accuse others of being overachievers, perhaps even compulsive.

They operate within their framework, I do not. I take nothing for granted at face value, especially their labels. I examine everything and to tell the truth, unless I go to Iraq and see it myself, I am not sure there really is a war going on there. Of course to refute it would be stupid, but I only say that because I think if it were all a hoax, somebody would've already found out. They can't but everybody. They try like hell, but they will never get everybody, nor do they actually want to believe it or not.

For their method of control to work, there must be factions operating against them. These factions must seem to be a viable influence and actually do something. They must be known to the population and then the spin doctors twist it around. I don't want to dwell on this all night, if interested get me on the other side.

See, I am trying to be nice and not hijack threads.

OK back to the original problem, listen up CL. Get a candle that will burn for at least four hours. Make the time. Actually you can work up to this using like b'day cake candles and such. But get here. In the nighttime, with all the lights off, light the candle on your table. Stare at it, nothing else. As long as you can. The first time you will look away several times, but you need to learn to refocus, so that's OK.

As you stare at the candle in the dark, in silence I might add, see it. Think of what it is. In a way it is plasma, in a way it is not, but you are looking a a chemical reaction. That particular time, that set of circumstances that are extant right now will never happen again. You will never ever see the flame exactly the same. Close your eyes. Remember the flame. You will probably have a bit of an afterimage in your retina to help you.

I shit you not, if you enbrace this technique, it changes you. There are other things I've picked up over the years too, like directed dreaming and so forth. But that is for people otherwise normal who had bad trauma in early life. You did not mention any. therefor so far as I can see, you are like me. Some cognitive cogs out of place but a working core.

Actually you might need the directed dreaming, but not why you think. When you got diagnosed and they said "You got _______" how did it feel ? Let me tell you, my fear of being 'diagnosed' is pretty strong. I am going to die after my natural life expires. And I will never admit to any type of disability of the brain. Except for my inability to understand certain people, shit like that, I am a bit sharper than the rest of the bowling balls.

Of course you could be one of the people everybody dismisses as an idiot, but comes back with a really cool invention a bit later. However in real life I probably would not dismiss you unless yhour ideas were totally impossible. Otherwise I would be helping you implement those ideas. Yes, I hate work that much. ANYTHING else, please !

Y'know I am totally familiar with the state of the mind not working. It happens every day, you would almost think I am catatonic. The phone rings and I do not even look at the caller ID. That is for about a ½ hour when I get home from work. Every day I work I refuse to hear shit from anyone for ½ hour

T

PS this is cut short, people, I'lll be back, or get me on the other side.

T

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RE: Head's not quite working - 4/23/2007 5:27:36 PM   
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Part of the problem with being "gifted" is that they don't have to teach you the discipline and coping skills to make it through because you don't really hit the hard stuff.  When the really hard stuff finally hits...you've got to teach yourself the skills that everyone else had to build up over the years.

I first noticed it as a big problem when all the AP kids got to college with a full semesters worth of credits in their transcripts- and absolutely no real discipline or understanding of the college experience and really struggled their first year.

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RE: Head's not quite working - 4/23/2007 5:55:28 PM   
popeye1250


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Curious, just start writing that paper and pull a "B" on it.
You don't "have" to get an "A+".
You're in "college" not in real life.
When you get out of college no-one will care what kind of marks you got. (Ten years later; "Oh, I've been meaning to ask you, did you get good marks in college?") Nobody cares.
I got a job not based on having a B.S. but because I was in the military.

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RE: Head's not quite working - 4/24/2007 4:54:19 AM   
littleonyx


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Greetings, CuriousLord...

I apologize--I found the thread and posted a bit too late, it seems.  But I would like to know how things turned out for You.


Well wishes and hopes for the best,

little onyx

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onyx [ˈoniks] noun

a type of precious stone with layers of different colours

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