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RE: Aspartame is POISON - 5/4/2007 12:38:19 AM

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Potassium is a necessity for good health, but like anything that is taken into the body; if the amts are too high, it can do more damage than good.

Potassium is something that I would not even mess with unless a doctor specifically stated to increase my intake.

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RE: Aspartame is POISON - 5/4/2007 12:43:50 PM

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From pre-agricultural diet to the present day diet, there has been a shift in the sodium to potassium intake rate from 1:6 then, to 3:1 now (source: Frasetto et al. 2001 "Diet, evolution and aging - the pathophysiological effects of the post agricultural inversion of the potassium to sodium and base to chloride ratios in the human diet" in Eur. Jnl. of Nutr. Oct 2001).
This "paleolithical diet" is what we were designed to eat, not the over-processed stuff we eat these days. So by taking reasonable amounts of potassium we are just supplying the body with what it does not get from our western diet. Low potassium bears more risk for your heart than high levels, and potassium levels are efficiently regulated in the body.

"Adults should consume at least 4.7 grams of potassium per day to lower blood pressure, blunt the effects of salt, and reduce the risk of kidney stones and bone loss. However, most American women 31 to 50 years old consume no more than half of the recommended amount of potassium, and men's intake is only moderately higher.
There was no evidence of chronic excess intakes of potassium in apparently health individuals and thus no UL was established."
(source: Dietary Reference Intake, Institute of Medicine of the National Academies).

Ask a nutritionist if you are not sure about the right amount for you. Doctors are not always the best nutritionists as a rule of thumb (at least in Europe). If you have an impaired kidney function, avoid excessive intake of potassium and seek medical advice first.

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Be aware that getting too much potassium can be bad for you. A naturopath was recently jailed up here because she suggested so much potassium that the guy died.

Messing with a salt that is involved in regulating your heart without a blood workup in front seems risky to me.

If you mean the Sartori case, this was about Cesium-cloride, ozone and some additional potassium. It probably wasn't the potassium that killed the guy. Although I do not condone in any way the actions of dr. Sartori, there are other aspects to this kkind of therapy. Cesium has been promising in animal and human cancer research models (Brewer). Alkaline environments tend to have an adverse effect on cancer cells, without interfering with healthy cells. Research on this was done by Nobelprize winner Otto Warburg.
If it was a different case, please let me know.

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RE: Aspartame is POISON - 5/4/2007 6:43:44 PM

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Ask a nutritionist if you are not sure about the right amount for you. Doctors are not always the best nutritionists as a rule of thumb (at least in Europe). If you have an impaired kidney function, avoid excessive intake of potassium and seek medical advice first.

Interesting figures. Thank you. I'm obviously not a dietician/nutritionist or endocrinologist. My point was merely that going out and taking some unknown brand of potassium on the advice of some people from a forum without first talking to a doctor to see if there are contraindications would be inadvisable, IMO.

That said, I don't know about the rest of Europe, but here in Norway, the docs often don't have the faintest clue about nutrition. Many of them don't even know that the "normal" ranges of values on blood workups here are the ranges that don't indicate any pathology for 90-98% of the population, without normalization against age, and instead think that everyone within those ranges is always fine, and that age isn't a factor.

For instance, when my testosterone was just inside the lower normal range for a man in his mid-seventies, my doc thought it was all perfectly fine and dandy. Never mind her assertion that I'd lost 30% muscle and bone mass, my complaints of ED, loss of libido, physical and mental fatigue, and the fact that I started getting male pattern baldness in my late teens (indicating I probably had a high testosterone level). She finally got the message when the lab sent back an order to investigate whether I was undergoing unsupervised hormonal treatment for gender reassignment, at which point my levels would not raise any eyebrows if the test had been labelled "breast-feeding woman".

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If you mean the Sartori case, this was about Cesium-cloride, ozone and some additional potassium.

That does not sound like something for a doctor to be messing with, if at all, not a naturopath.

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It was a case in Norway. A naturopath suggested potassium, and they gradually upped the dosage. I believe the eventual cause of death was arrythmia or somesuch, though I'm pretty sure the kidneys weren't doing to well either. We're talking quite a number of grams per day, IIRC.

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RE: Need help..restless leg syndrom - 5/4/2007 7:59:13 PM

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i found out i had sleep apena when i would not know when i was asleep. i would be speaking to other then i am alsleep for 30 mintue then had not ideal what had happen. over a time i had to find out what was wrong. if anyone fall sleep just out of the blue and you do this for sometime go no run to the doctor my sleep disorder kills i use a machine i lose so much brain that now i can do so much more i taught myself to paint and damn it is great (the painting ) so much was lose now i am whole i remember things. i lose many years when i had not ideal what was wrong with me. so if you sleepling too much in the daytime go get check fast oh i know this is restless leg syn. but the lose of sleep needs to be address too

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RE: Need help..restless leg syndrom - 5/4/2007 8:44:35 PM

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While it was a bit hard trying to understand what you were saying, I think I got it figured out. Sleep Apnea....that's when one stops breathing in their sleep? Yes...I suffer from that. Cats are great wonders for such a problem. Somehow my cats figure out i'm not breathing and wake me. There have been a couple times when they had trouble waking me, but the elder cat went for help....I do not live alone for this reason....while the younger cat remained lying on my chest. I had told my doctor about the cats and he said one reason they are able to help is their purr is able to send vibrations into the body causing a massaging effect to restart the heart. My mother told me I have had this problem since early childhood. As of yet, I use no machine, but I can see it coming.

So, only 2...maybe 3 hours sleep every couple days ain't good? :P Yea...I should really talk to my doc about that to. Explains why I feel so damn tired all the time. I see one doc next Friday, will be calling the other doc tomorrow about the weight, legs and sleep.

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RE: Need help..restless leg syndrom - 5/4/2007 9:45:25 PM

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Cats are great wonders for such a problem.

Cats do wonders for any problem, I'd contend, as a cat lover.

Except for the ones they introduce, of course.

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My mother told me I have had this problem since early childhood. As of yet, I use no machine, but I can see it coming.

If the apnea is that severe, I'd seriously consider looking into a machine. Even an iron lung would be worth considering. As I think mons said, this causes progressive damage to the brain due to hypoxia, and that is cumulative over time.

Only times I've had any tendency toward apnea myself has been related to high doses of drugs that cause respiratory depression or block out the sensors that detect the CO2 levels in your blood. If I'm worried, I put an alarm clock on 15 minutes, which is short enough that I don't sleep deeply and don't have time to fall asleep plus get hypoxic. That's never been for more than like a day or so, though.

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So, only 2...maybe 3 hours sleep every couple days ain't good? :P Yea...I should really talk to my doc about that to. Explains why I feel so damn tired all the time. I see one doc next Friday, will be calling the other doc tomorrow about the weight, legs and sleep.

No, 2-3 hours sleep every couple of days is not good. Friend of mine did that for a few months, which earned him a stay at the hospital; they couldn't figure out what to do, and while he didn't drop below 2-3 hours, he did get apx 15 wakeups during this time, so he eventually called me, and I fixed it with his doc. Now he's getting better. But he was seriously messed up; hallucinations, EEGs much in the style of a coma patient a lá blunt trauma, flattened affect to the point that if you'd blown his mum's brains out in his lap, he'd probably complain about how his pants would mess up his car, etc...

If it weren't bad form, I'd call your doc for you and beat him into setting you up for a few days with a ventilator and a weekend date with M(r)(s). Seconal or something, so you could get some deep sleep (coma or phase 4, depending on how closely they monitor your levels) and breathing at the same time.

I don't think you'd want to be doing most sleep meds without ventilation when you have apnea, though. Rozarem might work; I'm not up to date on that one, but seeing as it works on the M1/M2 receptors, not the GABA system, it might not cause respiratory depression. Something to mention to your doc, perhaps, but not anything to nag him about.

As for the weight, there's apparently a new drug that seems to do a lot for that, although it's probably not very safe. "B" something-or-other, meant for the treatment of diabetes and insulin resistance. Don't know what other stuff you have that it might interact with, though. If you have the coverage to get them to put you in a hospital for a while, you could have them knock you out and try a few things.

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RE: Need help..restless leg syndrom - 5/4/2007 11:40:52 PM

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Right now, the only meds i'm taking is Ferrous Sulf 325mg for low iron, Norvasc for high blood pressure and use a ProAir inhaler for asthma every 4 hours. Though Doc Kirk said he may be putting me on something for high colesterol if we can't get it to come down. He doesn't like giving me drugs as is due to the severe abuse of drugs in my past and says most drugs on the market, though prescribed are addictive. Seems me and Doc Kirk have a lot to talk about on next visit. :P

Oh yea....I totally agree with ya on the cat introductions. There was a time I would have disagreed...but when it got to the point of having 25 cats and them continuing to breed, on top of 12 dogs, 13 rabbits, 2 birds, a coon with young and a family of snakes.....kinda had to end the population growth. Now i'm down to the 2 cats. It's a whole lot calmer now. :P

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RE: Need help..restless leg syndrom - 5/5/2007 12:46:37 PM

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i have RLS, it became really bad when i developed an iron defiency, i tried lots of different things before, (quiting smoking and drinking, exercising, cutting out caffeine, warm baths, leg massagers) tonic water seemed to be that only thing that worked (also great muscle spasms in the calfs) but that was only when it was mild, now that it's become more severe, and effects my sleeping patterns my Doc has put me on Gabapentin, seems to be working but the side effects aren't to pleasant.

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RE: Need help..restless leg syndrom - 5/8/2007 4:04:38 PM

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For just a short time I had RLS too...my ex fiancee would rub my legs and still wouldn't help...tried heating pads...even warm oil...everything natural I could think of....then one day a friend suggested an asprin...I thought since I have it around the house...why not....it worked so well...every once in awhile it comes back...not sure of the underlying reasons it appears and reappears...but after reading these posts...I am thinking iron...since I am primarily a vegeterian...just makes sense...but do try the asprin...it's simple and it worked for me....

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