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RE: "Buying the War" - 4/27/2007 2:33:16 PM   
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Who wants to bet the the peresent administration tries to sell going to war in Iran next? Already it's obvious that the US gov is scrambling to distract us from what a huge blunder it was to go to Iraq........wmd's anyone?

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RE: "Buying the War" - 4/27/2007 2:42:18 PM   
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That's just stupid. You compare apples to apples - who doesn't know that. But if you really need it that oversimplified, here you go; The O'Reilly Factor is #1 in Cable News



It's still sad that he's getting beaten by Tony Shaloub in Monk over on USA network...

#1 in Cable News. That's like being #1 in bowling with the gutter guards extended, isn't it?



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RE: "Buying the War" - 4/27/2007 2:42:24 PM   
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I see the gov has yet to go after the source of a lot of terrorists, including the 9/11 hijackers, the Saudis. Blame big money and OPEC for that. This country ever came to its' senses and depended less on foreign oil, or not at all, then we wouldn't have to be the world's police and send our children to die......

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RE: "Buying the War" - 4/27/2007 3:24:22 PM   
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It's still sad that he's getting beaten by Tony Shaloub in Monk over on USA network...

#1 in Cable News. That's like being #1 in bowling with the gutter guards extended, isn't it?


It sounds like you must be a huge fan of that last-place Overman guy.

Bad case of sour grapes there, farglebargle?

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RE: "Buying the War" - 4/27/2007 5:17:40 PM   
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Oh, Please... No... Just the observation that ALL CABLE NEWS is just a sad, sad joke compared to the excellent offerings of the WWE and the programming on the USA cable network.

It's filler until we have another Anna Nicole...



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RE: "Buying the War" - 4/27/2007 5:26:42 PM   
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Who wants to bet the the peresent administration tries to sell going to war in Iran next? Already it's obvious that the US gov is scrambling to distract us from what a huge blunder it was to go to Iraq........wmd's anyone?



Sir we do not have the resources to even try to start that fight or argument as we are stretched too thin as is.  If we weren't You know Bush would be antagonistic.

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RE: "Buying the War" - 4/27/2007 5:30:12 PM   
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Oh, and I got a chance to see Bill's act last night.

"O'Reilly is shooting Moyers down right now."

No, not really. You see, Bill was WRONG when he said, "Once lives are on the line, Patriotism must be factored in".

O'Reilly's call for Patriotism and the quelling of dissent are direct causes of the over 500,000 dead since the US invasion. History shows him to be wrong to the tune of a half million dead.

Looks like we needed MORE dissent, because we were being lied to, eh?


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RE: "Buying the War" - 4/27/2007 6:46:25 PM   
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Oh, and I got a chance to see Bill's act last night.

"O'Reilly is shooting Moyers down right now."

No, not really. You see, Bill was WRONG when he said, "Once lives are on the line, Patriotism must be factored in".

O'Reilly's call for Patriotism and the quelling of dissent are direct causes of the over 500,000 dead since the US invasion. History shows him to be wrong to the tune of a half million dead.

Looks like we needed MORE dissent, because we were being lied to, eh?



You're just not making any sense to me at all in that post because you can't REALLY lay any of your poor, dead terrorists at Bill O'Reilly's feet. The liberation of Iraq would have happened with or without Bill O'Reilly's show being on the air... besides that, O'Reilly wasn't in the Senate, and he didn't vote for war (like Hillary and Kerry and Pretty Boy Edwards did). IF Bill O'Reilly DID call for the heinous thought crime of patriotism like you're complaining, so what. It's pretty silly for you to say he's powerful enough to have killed all those terrorists like that right after you said that Sponge Bob has more influence. Don't you think?

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RE: "Buying the War" - 4/27/2007 7:24:50 PM   
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(like Hillary and Kerry and Pretty Boy Edwards did).



Cracks me up when a lap dog of AnencephalyBoy trashes Democratic politicians for supporting AnencephalyBoy's idiotic war.

Where does one start trying to enumerate all the things wrong with that statement?

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RE: "Buying the War" - 4/27/2007 7:28:24 PM   
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Cracks me up when a lap dog of AnencephalyBoy trashes Democratic politicians for supporting AnencephalyBoy's idiotic war.


It's not really "trashing them" if it's accurate

Is it

I'd say you're the one involving yourself with the trash talk

Calling me a lap dog and all

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RE: "Buying the War" - 4/27/2007 7:31:06 PM   
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Cracks me up when a lap dog of AnencephalyBoy trashes Democratic politicians for supporting AnencephalyBoy's idiotic war.


It's not really "trashing them" if it's accurate

Is it


My point, for those playing the home game, is that one never hears lap dogs for AnencephalyBoy citing accurate negative assessments (i.e. trashing) his actions.

No matter what AnencephalyBoy does or doesnt do, it always ends up somehow being the fault of the Democrats.

As I said, it simply boggles the imagination.

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RE: "Buying the War" - 4/27/2007 7:40:41 PM   
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So you're calling me names because I'm not joining you in telling lies, or "talking trash" as you like to say, about the President

If I don't agree with you then you resort to that

That's fine, I suppose. But don't expect me to join you down there

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RE: "Buying the War" - 4/27/2007 9:04:38 PM   
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I don't always agree with O'Reilly but you have to admit that he is very good at his job and head and shoulders better than the rest.
You can tell that he's a pretty intelligent guy.
He was a teacher after all.
I remember him from the 1980's on a News station in Boston, Mass.

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RE: "Buying the War" - 4/27/2007 9:31:48 PM   
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So you're calling me names because I'm not joining you in telling lies, or "talking trash" as you like to say, about the President

If I don't agree with you then you resort to that

That's fine, I suppose. But don't expect me to join you down there


Fair enough, I retract my lap dog comment.

Although, calling people liars or trash talkers is actually "joining me down here," which you said not to expect you to do.

Think twice, post once.

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RE: "Buying the War" - 4/27/2007 10:30:13 PM   
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You're just not making any sense to me at all in that post because you can't REALLY lay any of your poor, dead terrorists at Bill O'Reilly's feet.


Calling all of the dead men, women, and children since our invasion of Iraq in 2003 "Terrorists" is the basest propaganda possible.

Here's a little reality check. Here's Steve Stirling's lil bit about Cholera from his T2 re-imaging...

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p. 115
------

The next patient was an elderly woman with a very high fever, nausea, and very bad diarrhea. She complained of pains in her joints and headache as well. Dr. Ramsingh had gone to the HQ to talk to the captain about this. Two patients was hardly an epidemic, but these suggestive symptoms couldn't be ignored.

The old lady looked up at her with fever-bright eyes when Mary put the thermometer under her tongue.

"Don' wann be a burthen," she said.

"You're not," Mary assured her. "You'll be fine soon."

She certainly hoped so. That there might be cholera in this camp was inexcusable.


p. 116
------

There was a commotion at the head of the ward and Mary looked up.

"This is a the hospital ward," the matron was explaining. "You have to take them to the clinic."

"Don't tell us to take them somewhere else," a man was saying, shouting, actually. "Can't you see they're sick?"

"Help up!" the woman beside him said desperately.

Mary headed toward them. Oh God, she thought, *it's children*. One of them a babe in arms, the other about the size of a four year-old. Her gut went cold. Cholera was very hard on the very young and the very old. Her eyes met the matrons' and they made a mutual executive decision.

"If one of you will stay with Matron and help her fill out a chart, I'll help the other put these children to bed." Mary put the tray on the desk and held out her arms.

The man and woman glanced at each other, then the man held out the child he was carrying; a boy, Mary saw. She took him and led the woman down the ward toward a pair of cribs that Mary now thought insanely optimistic of whoever had put this place together. *Just two*, she thought sadly.

"What are their symptoms?" she asked the mother. She didn't need to be told "fever"; she could feel it burning through the blanket. *Ice*, she thought, *where are we going to get ice?*

"Diarrhea," the mother said, her voice shaking. "It just won't stop."

It was the symptom Mary had most dreaded hearing. She efficiently stripped and cleaned the little boy and put a Pampers on him. *These aren't going to last long,* she thought bitterly.


p. 117
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She listened to the near-panicked mother as she started listing the symptoms all over again. Mary gave the woman a second look, noted the hectic flush, the too-bright eyes. *Help!* she thought, as short and desperate a prayer as she'd ever prayed.

Mary brought a chair over and sat the mother down. "Conserve your strength," she cautioned. "You're going to need it." Then she went to the supply cabinet and came back with some bottles of water boosted with vitamins and electrolytes. "Get them top drink as much of these as possible," she instructed. "I know they're sick to their stomachs and won't want it, but they need it, so get it down them." She put a couple of facecloths and a bottle of alcohol down on a bedside table. "When they get too hot, wipe them down with this. I'll be back shortly."



p. 128
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Mary held the Stratzman baby, Sonya, rocking her gently. The poor little
thing was no longer able to drink on her own the only sound was the tiny
labored breathing and the creak of the canvas camp chair beneath her.

*And I don't think the IV is doing any good.*

Sonya's fever was a hundred and six the last time it had been checked and it
felt hotter by the moment; her face was withered and thin, like a tiny
grandmother's. Mary no longer noticed the smell; it was all-pervasive through
the clinic now.

Sonya's four-year-old brother was doing a bit better that she was, but not
much. He lay in the next cot, eyes half-shut; they were dull and sunken in a
hollow-cheeked face. The lids barely flickered as one of the volunteers
changed the soiled pad under his hips and rolled him to one side to straighten
the bedclothes beneath; there were bedsores where the bones of his pelvis and
shoulder were wearing through the skin.

Mrs. Stratzman had labored over her children to the point of exhaustion,
leaving her with little in reserve when she came down with cholera. She'd
died this morning. Her husband was delirious, but he was the most likely to
survive. Through with this kind of fever, there were no guarantees.

Mary herself was very tired, that limbs-filled-with-wet-sand, burning-eyed,
hard-to-talk exhaustion that almost made her want to weep.

*As if I didn't have enough reasons to cry,* she thought. And then: *You're
healthy, you've got no one to lose anymore, you're young enough to probably
throw off the infection if you do get it.*

Right now if felt as though she was stealing this time from other patients, but
babies responded better if they were held occasionally. And it gave the
nurses, both professional and volunteer, a chance to sit down.

She opened her eyes slowly and realized that she'd dropped off for a moment.
It could only have been a few seconds because Matron was still with the same
patient, in much the same posture as she had been. Mary yawned, then looked
down at little Sonya. The baby's eyes were half-open and her mouth was slack.
A spear of anxiety shot through her and she quickly checked the baby's pulse.
The infant's skin was already cooling, and where the pulse had been far too
rapid, now it was utterly gone.

She sighed. *At least someone was holding her when she died; she didn't go
alone in her crib.*

Yet Mary regretted that she hadn't noticed. Not that there would have been
anything she could have done about it.

Nurse Mary Shea rose and took the baby's chart off her crib, carrying it and
the small body outside. Beside the clinic was a large tent where the bodies
were stored prior to being buried. She handed Sonya to a soldier wearing a
hazard suit and respirator; he glanced at Mary and she could see the misery in
his eyes through the bug-like lenses of his mask. She shook her head and
shrugged and he nodded; sadly, she thought. Then Mary made a note on the
chart of the child's time of death and gave him the paper.

She returned to the clinic only for a moment, just long enough to inform the
head nurse of little Sonya Stratzman's death. Matron looked her over.

"Take a break," she said. "Don't come back for twenty minutes of so. We
won't fall to pieces."

"Thank you, " Mary said, from the heart.

She turned and walked away grabbing her jacket on the way out. Outside the
clinic she paused, but not for long. *I've got to get away form the smell of
this place,* she thought, and headed for the gate. She just had to get
somewhere that didn't stink of death and disease.




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RE: "Buying the War" - 4/28/2007 7:11:33 AM   
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1. It's odd that you would lay thousands of dead people at Bill O'Reilly's feet, and then immediately after that you come crying to me, complaining about "propaganda"

2. Isn't it nice that our Army medics are in Iraq right now, healing all the sick children that Saddam Hussein diverted all that Oil-For-UN-Bribes money from



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RE: "Buying the War" - 4/28/2007 7:15:31 AM   
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1. It's odd that you would lay thousands of dead people at Bill O'Reilly's feet, and then immediately after that you come crying to me, complaining about "propaganda"



Isn't that what Bill O'Reilly is? A Leni Reifsthall wannabe?

He's saying that what he calls "Patriotism" is more important than doing the job of a Journalist.
And just LOOK at what his brand of "Patriotism" has wrought.

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2. Isn't it nice that our Army medics are in Iraq right now, healing all the sick children that Saddam Hussein diverted all that Oil-For-UN-Bribes money from


Abeer Qasim Hamza al-Janabi would disagree if she and her family weren't raped and murdered by US Troops, wouldn't she?

That would be funny if it wasn't so insulting to the dead children.





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RE: "Buying the War" - 4/28/2007 7:29:07 AM   
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He's saying that what he calls "Patriotism" is more important than doing the job of a Journalist.


Okay, I challenge you on that. When did he ever say that? I think you're pulling that one out of your ass. 

And if you're unaware that our Army medics ARE in Iraq right now, healing all the sick children that Saddam Hussein diverted all that Oil-For-UN-Bribes money from, I feel genuinely sorry for you because it would take a very special person to not only ignore all of the good work that Coalition soldiers are doing over there, but also to hate every one of them as you do for the bad actions of a very few.

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RE: "Buying the War" - 4/28/2007 7:39:27 AM   
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quote:

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He's saying that what he calls "Patriotism" is more important than doing the job of a Journalist.


Okay, I challenge you on that. When did he ever say that? I think you're pulling that one out of your ass.



Didn't YOU tell me about Bill's 'cast the other night, where he was defending himself, and said, and I'll paraphrase, you go pull the youtube if you care: once the decision is made by the powers that be, "patriotism must be factored in"

TO ME, that's saying that if you have damning facts to publish, you temper your integrity with the perceived duty to help the government in their propaganda.

Considering they're licensed FCC outlets, there MAY be a point. But Bill doesn't go that route.

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And if you're unaware that our Army medics ARE in Iraq right now, healing all the sick children that Saddam Hussein diverted all that Oil-For-UN-Bribes money from


I'll need a list of all them kids. Because what I know from DOCUMENTED COURT EVIDENCE, is our troops are raping and killing kids under our flag.

Oh, and exactly WHERE in the constitution is the Federal Government granted the authority to use our tax dollars, OR TROOPS providing FREE HEALTH CARE to the Iraqi People?

Where is OUR FREE HEALTH CARE, *if* it is, as you contend, their job?



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RE: "Buying the War" - 4/28/2007 7:58:09 AM   
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Didn't YOU tell me about Bill's 'cast the other night, where he was defending himself, and said, and I'll paraphrase, you go pull the youtube if you care: once the decision is made by the powers that be, "patriotism must be factored in"

TO ME, that's saying that if you have damning facts to publish, you temper your integrity with the perceived duty to help the government in their propaganda.

Considering they're licensed FCC outlets, there MAY be a point. But Bill doesn't go that route.


No, that wasn't me, and it sounds as if you're thinking of something that, if it was even said, was taken out of context. Do you know what that means?

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I'll need a list of all them kids. Because what I know from DOCUMENTED COURT EVIDENCE, is our troops are raping and killing kids under our flag.

Oh, and exactly WHERE in the constitution is the Federal Government granted the authority to use our tax dollars, OR TROOPS providing FREE HEALTH CARE to the Iraqi People?

Where is OUR FREE HEALTH CARE, *if* it is, as you contend, their job?


You'll need a list of the kids? I'm not going to provide you with a basic education, because anyone with any sense of what's going on in Iraq knows better. You hate all American soldiers because of the actions of a few... that is just, I don't have words for it. And you choose to ignore the good things that they're doing. Fine, farglebargle - but I'm done wrestling around in the mud, urine, slop and manure with you for now, I'll tell you that. Like I told you before, the Constitution does not give the President the specific authority for him to gaze out over the Rose Garden on occasion either - but it's still okay for him to do it.

Now, I have a boat that needs my attention, and a few thousand Idaho lakes to go explore.

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