Crush
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People who carry concealed weapons, at least those in Florida, have to go through a background check, take a class and exhibit some level of proficiency with a handgun. Other states are even more rigorous.
Have you read the statistics i quoted earlier where over half the offenders were legal gun owners. courses and checks are not infallible.
Actually, I've read the entire thread. That's why I felt compelled to participate, though I usually leave these things alone, since talking to people about this is often like trying to talk about abortion.
I pointed out that there are TWO different kinds of background checks. One to purchase a gun and another to be able to carry it out in public, but concealed. Entirely different to be able to own a gun and to be able to carry it around concealed under a jacket or in a pocket.
Q: Did you check out the website I pointed to and the references to their claims?
Frankly, those people concealed weapons are those least likely to use them except in extreme situations.
Wrong a lot of the gun owners who were legal used them because of an argument.
Again, you are lumping gun owners in with Concealed Weapons Permit holders. One is a subset of the other. Please check the specific statistic you've claimed "a lot" and compare it to the number of times people have defended themselves (not even firing the weapon, just making it be known they had one) as cited by the FBI stats.
The MAJORITY of crime is committed by criminals...do we agree on that? If so, they won't be getting their gun legally anyway. After that first conviction they won't be able to get one legally, so they either get it off the street, steal it, or via a "strawman" purchase, which is a serious Federal offense...up to 10 years in prison and up to a $250,000 fine, though yes, first offenses are often 1 year and $10,000. (See: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3197/is_9_45/ai_65953073 )
Let's make the bad guys keep guessing who might make their day and those who won't.
Some of the bad guys are those with legal guns.
But less likely to use them if the good guys have them and the bad guys know it
Take a look at http://en.allexperts.com/q/Guns-Firearms-Projectile-1501/illegal-trade-weapon.htm for more info on the effect of taking guns out of the hands of citizens..
Laws are followed by law-abiding people. They aren't by those that break them.
It is time to actually trust people. After all, isn't what we do here? As a masochistic bottom, I trust my sadistic top. As a sub, you expect to trust your Dom/me.
Wrong the statistics show half of legal owners cannot be trusted.
I don't read the statistics that way. Can you cite your specific stats? After all, you are saying that 22 million of the 44 million US citizens are own guns cannot be trusted?
What about the entire state of Vermont, where no permit is even required to carry a gun? And Vermont has been consistently voted one of the top safest states in the US?
And again, you are mixing Concealed Weapons Holders in with Gun Owners. CWP holders are even less likely to be involved, since they actually have taken the time to learn the law. Heck, in Florida, you are more likely to be attacked by an alligator than someone with CWP is likely to be detained for carrying a weapon. (average of 15 gator attacks a year vs 10 CWP holders being involved with the law, usually from carrying in the wrong place.) No statistics support anything close to saying that CWP holders are more likely to commit crime. In fact, it is quite the opposite, given that their fingerprints are on file and that they are good folk to begin with after all!
I'm not trying to change your mind or get you to carry a weapon. That is a heavy responsibility only for those willing to take it on.
I'm just asking you to think from BOTH sides of the issue. I've done that, having gone from mildly anti-gun to now much more pro self-defense. No, I haven't joined the NRA or some crazy militia. I don't hunt, though I'm not about to tell someone they can't go hunting. I go about my day innocuously as anyone else. Deciding whether or not I'll need to get a 2nd mortgage to pay for gas this summer. Mowing the lawn. Go to the bank. Go shopping for various pervertables at my local crafts store. To look at me you'd never know I'm carrying. But that's the point, isn't it, for concealed carry?
Believ me, I don't want to ever have to use my weapon against another person. Not to mention the psychological and legal trauma I'd likely face as a result. But if it is me or some other innocent that finds themself in fear of their life and I'm where I might be able to stop the bad guy, I know I can try.
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