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"Apes point to origins of human language" - 5/1/2007 2:41:23 AM

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"Apes point to origins of human language"
"Study suggests that our ancestors gestured before they spoke"By Ker ThanStaff writer

Updated: 3:28 p.m. PT April 30, 2007
" Our closest primate relatives, the bonobos and chimps, are more versatile when communicating with their hands, feet and limbs than with their facial expressions and voices.

The finding, detailed online Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, supports the notion that humans were communicating with sign language long before they were speaking, an idea known as the “gestural hypothesis.” "

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18403802/

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RE: "Apes point to origins of human language" - 5/1/2007 4:44:49 AM

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Not suprising. We still carry some traits and characteristics that might go back to our "earlier days." One of these traits is that of yawning,,,It really serves no purpose....But it is speculated while we were walking the savannah that yawning (which truly is contagious) was a way to demonstrate to the rest of the herd that you were tired and since a group could only move as fast as it's slowest member that possibly it was time for the group to rest as more of it's members would chime in with "yawns" of their own.

Why I know this irrelevant piece of info is beyond me....

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RE: "Apes point to origins of human language" - 5/1/2007 4:56:48 AM

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Those who believe in Natural Selection say that yawning developed so that those species that eat flies could catch more per gulp. Likewise with those whales that live off plankton.

Since Natural Selection is true(lol) domiguy must be wrong !

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RE: "Apes point to origins of human language" - 5/1/2007 5:18:03 AM

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This presumably also explains why it is the less developed members of our species that resort of certain hand gestures in preference to even the shortest, grunted words.

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RE: "Apes point to origins of human language" - 5/1/2007 6:52:27 AM

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Eh?

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RE: "Apes point to origins of human language" - 5/1/2007 6:59:11 AM

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I also have it on good authority that Dawkins in his book the Blind Watchmaker was going to include his pet theory that farting evolved because it gave competitive advantage in the Fight/Flight scenario.
That extra accelerative thrust aided the aggressor to kill or the hunted to escape.

It was pointed out that this idea might bring natural Selection into disrepute so he just insisted that the eye came about by chance instead.

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RE: "Apes point to origins of human language" - 5/1/2007 7:50:42 AM

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Those who believe in Natural Selection say that yawning developed so that those species that eat flies could catch more per gulp. Likewise with those whales that live off plankton.

Since Natural Selection is true(lol) domiguy must be wrong !

ummm... NO!

Unless something has been published quite recently there is no strong evidence in support of any of several hypotheses none of which involve catching insects.

Nice strawman though.

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RE: "Apes point to origins of human language" - 5/1/2007 9:46:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

Those who believe in Natural Selection say that yawning developed so that those species that eat flies could catch more per gulp. Likewise with those whales that live off plankton.
Since Natural Selection is true(lol) domiguy must be wrong !

ummm... NO!
Unless something has been published quite recently there is no strong evidence in support of any of several hypotheses none of which involve catching insects.
Nice strawman though.

gotcha lol
Tho' having said that surely its just as reasonable or no more preposterous than many things Natural Selectioners are prepared to believe. A Giraffe evolving in such a way that his life is at risk every time he wants a drink for example !

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RE: "Apes point to origins of human language" - 5/1/2007 9:59:01 AM

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A serious point: people sometimes yawn or laugh when they are embarassed or feel uncomfortable. So maybe its a deflection defense mechanism. somewhat like chameleons' colour change or the skunks' stinky emission, which brings us back to farting, so I assert confidently that Dawkins proposal is true.

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RE: "Apes point to origins of human language" - 5/1/2007 11:09:07 AM

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'Tis true, grabbing one's crotch and thumbing the nose are rather easy to accomplish,
as well as the ever popular gesture -

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This presumably also explains why it is the less developed members of our species that resort of certain hand gestures in preference to even the shortest, grunted words.

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RE: "Apes point to origins of human language" - 5/1/2007 11:43:32 AM

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But the again there is another train of thought that suggests "yawning" became popular when Heather Locklear was seen doing "it" on Melrose Place....This is an incredibly confusing topic.

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RE: "Apes point to origins of human language" - 5/1/2007 11:53:07 AM

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This presumably also explains why it is the less developed members of our species that resort of certain hand gestures in preference to even the shortest, grunted words.

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Are you suggesting longshoremen are less developed than the general population?

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p.s. This whole idea makes me want to express my morpheme and flip off the dock boss.

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RE: "Apes point to origins of human language" - 5/1/2007 11:55:56 AM

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Obviously that is what LadyEllen was referencing, the nerve of some people...Aren't longshoremen almost people too?

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