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RE: Tens Unit - 9/4/2007 7:45:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: wenty3208

Most Tens units come with black and red wires. Black for minus and Red for positive. All you have to do is remember to keep the same color for the nipples. 

A good choice would be red for the nipples, thats chans. 1 & 2 for the nipples and hook both blacks to the clitty. The minuses are common anyway. In this instance wrap some soft aluminum wire around clitty and clip the black leads to the aluminum...  Apply the red clips as desired.

When the electrical pulses are adjusted and applied you can see the muscles in the abdomin tense and ripple, but nothing in the chest area.  The point bein, KEEP THE FLOW OF CURRENT FROM CROSSING THE CHEST.


The problem with this setup is it does not guarantee that the current won't got through the chest/heart.  The current does not necessarily follow the shortest distance in a straight line but it takes rather the path of least resistance which could include the heart in the setup between nipples and clit.

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RE: Tens Unit - 9/5/2007 1:41:22 PM   
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I have one left over from the elderly man that I took care of. I don't recall all of the safety precautions, but his was used on his back above the waist. I remember something about not crossing wires. There is definitely a right and wrong way to use it.

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RE: Tens Unit - 10/9/2007 10:10:47 PM   
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I really don't like catch phrases like "only use below the waist".  If you're not going to take the initiative to gain at least a rudimentary understanding of what you're doing, then you shouldn't be doing it (even below the waist).  You don't have to be an electrical engineer, but at least have a basic understanding of electrical principle, the physiological effects electricity has on the body and the output characteristics of your unit.  You can cover that in about 60 minutes of internet reading.  And yes, you can use a tens unit on the nipples safely (which is fantastic I might add)... or you could possibly kill someone.

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RE: Tens Unit - 10/10/2007 7:25:34 AM   
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He took the words right out of my mouth.
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ORIGINAL: sub4umaam

The risk to the heart occurs when the current travels from one location to another, passing through the heart.  Connecting to any parts of the body where the current CAN go through the heart is dangerous.  Having said that, TENS units (and other electrical stim devices) may be used on the nipples if, and only if, the complete electrical circuit does not pass through the heart.  Therefore, both of the contacts of one complete circuit may be placed right at a nipple.  The current will take the path of least resistance, and in this case, right through the nipple.  The sensation can be mild to wild, depending on the mood of the Top!  It would be unsafe to put one lead on the nipple, and the other lead any significant distance away, as the electricity may find its way through the heart.  Pictures you may of seen of genuine electrical torture of the nipples would have been set up to have an isolated circuit passing through one nipple only.  Another completely separate circuit could be used on the other nipple. 


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RE: Tens Unit - 10/10/2007 12:10:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tag8833

It takes 500 ma directly across the heart to cause a problem.  Check your tens unit output.  Mine caps out at 250 ma.  So it would be safe to use above the waist, no problem, as long as there isn't a pacemaker. 


Not sure where you got your numbers....

Tingling Sensation 0.5 - 3 mA
Muscle Contraction and Pain 3 - 10 mA
“Let Go” Threshold 10 - 40 mA
Respiratory Paralysis 30 - 75 mA
Heart Fibrillation and May Clamp Tight 100 - 200 mA
Tissue and Organs Burn Over 1,500 mA

The electric current in Amps is the most important variable to determine the severity of shock. However, the current is determined by the driving voltage and the resistance of the path the current is flowing through the body. One of the major difficulties in determining the conditions for electric safety is that a voltage which produces only a mild tingling in one circumstance can be a lethal shock under other conditions.

A human bodys resistance can vary anywhere between 1000ohms and 100,000ohm, even varying greatly in one day, hour to hour...

lets go with the high number and start at 100,000ohm, with 120V to figure out the current that will be passing through your body. 120V divided by 100,000ohms equals .0012A or 1.2mA. This is just about the threshhold of perception, or where you start to get a mild tingle. Now, consider you have already been through a fairly intense scene, youre sweating, and your high heels were hurting you so now you are barefoot. Your resistance to ground may now be as low as 1000ohms. Try that equation again. 120v divided by 1000ohms is .12A or 120mA. This is capable of producing ventricular fibrillation and death!

Lower frequencies are much more dangerous than higher frequencies. The higher the frequency the greater the skin effect of the electricity. In other words instead of passing through your skin, it will travel along your skin. This is why people will occasionally survive a lightning strike yet die from a household light socket. Lightning is somewhere in the gigawatt range, yet the standard bulb is less than 150watts. Lightning has erratic frequencies, at home the frequency of your current is 60Hz, or in other words, the votage goes up and down 60 times per second that the voltage exists in current. Lightning is near impossible to get measurements on, but parts have been measured at less than one hertz, and up to a million hertz. It is going so fast, that the minor resistance that skin provides actually deflects it OVER the skin, instead of through it like it would at the lower 60Hz frequency. Anything over 200Hz is considered high, most of the energy will pass over your skin instead of through is and keeping it from doing internal damage directly. However there is a good chance your skin will get heated to the point your insides will get cooked...but anyway....why is this important??

Lets start with a violet wand...for the nerds...violet wands get there name from the color the glass bulb glows when it is energized. The color is produced through energy released during the intra-valent electron exchanges occurring during the forced ionization of the normally inert Argon gas contained inside a tempered glass electrode under low pressure. The wand consists of a switch, a generator and electrical componets (a capacitor and for producing electricity generally stored in the handle) and a socket for various shaped attachments. The generator makes high frequency AC out of a standard household current (~120VAC 60Hz). Because the frequency is so high, it can be introduced into the bulb to create the purple light, but while it can be introduced through a conductor, or even accross the skin of the person holding it(tunring them into the conductor) and allows this charge to pass onto another persons skin, it does not cross the skin barrier. This makes a (properly functioning) violet wand generally much safer than other electrical toys.....however length of contact can increase the chance of minor burns similar to a sunburn...

The Tens Unit however has penetrative ability of its electrical impulses. It is a low voltage penetrative unit, generally using a 9V battery. It takes this 9VDC charge and using electronics amplifies the output into a step AC (DC current given frequency) and using capacitors, the voltage is boosted as well. This gives it the ability through low frequency (2-120Hz) and higher than 9V to penetrate beyond the skin (your primary defense against electrical shock). A well functioning and properly utilized tens unit is safe, the voltage is boosted, a frequency is created and it is capable of penetrating the skin..however, normally the voltage and frequency produced are less than potentially viable for passing through critical areas of the body (when used correctly). That is why those of us in the BDSM commnity often hear about the inhearent potential danger of placing the two electrodes in positions that would place the heart in between, such as accross the chests pectoral muscles.

ghita~

small disclaimer...I am in no way responsible for anyone playing with electricity and killing themselves or their subs based on any calculations I may do....

disclaimer number two....engineers do not need to know how to spell..get over it, Im sure there are many errors in my above post....



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RE: Tens Unit - 10/11/2007 10:23:51 AM   
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I think I'm in love with ghita.

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RE: Tens Unit - 10/11/2007 10:51:02 AM   
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oooh..look...I have more followers!.....grins..why thank you Hotch....dont applaud...send money...erhm...

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RE: Tens Unit - 10/13/2007 8:19:22 AM   
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My Master uses TENS on my boobs but no problem. He is a medical doctor and knows how much to zap me with........usually just a minimal tingling only. So people know what to do before you do it.........have fun

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RE: Tens Unit - 10/13/2007 9:57:55 PM   
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I've never had complications putting the TENS unit pads near a womans nipples. However, all of them where atleast a C cup. I also never cranked anything up really high when pulseating that area.

But like a said, my sub has not had any complications with me causing her nipples to twitch and tingle with the use of a TENS Unit. We're only taking a break from the TENS Unit now because we are four months going into five of our first pregnency. 

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RE: Tens Unit - 10/22/2007 12:40:04 AM   
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I'll back Ghita here, with the maximum current, with an addition: Time.

put 120mA through someone for a thousandth of a second, and, chances are, they'll be fine, maybe a bit sore. Put 70mA through someone for an hour, and chances are they wont be.

Also, skin's about the only thing that has resistance in your body. Nerves are designed to carry electrical impulses really well, and most of those head straight to the brain. Blood's salty, and salty stuff conducts really well, too. Muscle fibres i'm not so sure about, nor am i certain about bone... but if it's hitting muscle and/or bone, it's going to go through your blood, so it's kinda a moot point. Get the wrong voltage across your CNS, and it could very, very rapidly be good-night, charlie.

Electricity's a funny thing. i know sparkies that'll check for voltage with the back of their hand. They've done that for twenty years, and they'll keep on doing it. I've read industry publications about people that've been killed by 9v batteries.

Like anything, it's a risk. For electricity play to be safe, or at least sane, you need to look at how much risk there is. Putting a pad either side of someone's nipple? not much risk. Putting a pad on the front of the chest, and one on the back? Lotsa risk. I'm not implying that anyone would do that, but hopefully you'll see what i mean.

**again with disclaimers: None of this information is verified as true, except by my own experience. So if something goes wrong based on what i've said, then i'm sorry, but i'm not accountable. Anyone even thinking about looking at starting electricity play needs to do their own, solid, thorough research.**

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RE: Tens Unit - 10/25/2007 8:38:23 PM   
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First a link to my favorite electric guy.  http://www.uncleabdul.com/ go to the section titled Uncs articles and you will see a FAQ for using TENS above the waist, though he answers as an engineer or lawyer so it wont be a simple yes or no most people are looking for.
Then I'll address some of the points I saw up there and move on to my version of things.
TENS are designed to be used above the waist. There even used in birthing when its too late to use an epidural.  they are very safe if used properly.
Skin resistance varies and there are few published clinical trials on various types of skin and thier resistance.  Unc has a chart and you can find others with a lot of digging.
TENS units have a DC output, slap one on an osciliscope if you doubt me.  A lot of people get them mixed up becasue they use capicters to make it pulsed DC but it is not true AC.
"skin effect" is a highly debated concept but I'll defer to those already done the research on it.  It does not apply to TENS in any conceivable way and though many tihnk it is responsible for how a wand behaves it is not.
The idea of one at the nipple and the other at the clit to complete the cicuit has a couple of problems.  A)Its not safer then two electrodes on the same breast becasue the path is longer and more likely to go through the bodu cavity.  B) You will have an increaesed resistence becasue of the distance so will feel less an effect or have to crank up the intensity.
A TENS has two channels (most TENS, a few are made with only one or more then two channels) and each channel is supposedly isolated (more dependable in a medical TENS which has stricter testing then kinky novelty TENS).  The red and black are on each channel and they should be placed close together on the body for maximum effect (and also safety).  the farther the elctrodes are palced the more resistnece you need to overcome for effect.

Technically electricity placed on the body goes thoughiut the entire body but the closer your leads the less the effect.

Okay that said here is my experiance.
I have used TENS above the waist, with internal electrodes and without.  I have used TENS across the chest on myself and on various subs using either nipple electrodes (unipolar) with an eleectrode next to it or on the same breast.  I ahve used standard adhesive electrodes, medical vaginal electrode (treating female incontince was what it was designed for), and all the electrodes PES and Folsum put out.  I have custom made electrodes using conductive rubber or scavagning old medical pads.
To date I have not used an anal electrode though I do own one and gave a model away once.

I would not recommend using TENS across the chest or from back to front.  I did it on myself as part of my training but had no contraindicators at the time and a good friend with extensive medical experiance present for some of those early experiments.
I have and will again use electrodes on a breast but either with breast plates (special electrode based off an old version made for tightening the breasts and making them perkier, freind of mine hd the original japanese version and manual<g>)  or other electrodes.
By the way dont count on them tightening your breasts anymore then you can count on those abdmonizers (also TENS or EMS) to tone and give you sleek abs.  The theory sounds nice but then most snake oil cons do too.

Another factor besides the distance and path of the electrodes for your TENS paly is the size of the elctrodes and how good a connection you make with the skin.
Smaller surface increases the percieved intensity and hotspots REALLY make it feel intense.
use a good conductive lube.  They sell it or you can make your won with baking soda/water and salt or just go with a water based lube or vaseline.
Your mileage will vary as to which you like best but all will work to someextent.
Avoid silicone based lubes.  especially if using nice expensive toys.
Smaller electordes are much more fun (I am a sadist so again your personal preference may vary).
Oh and you can also play with a clamp on a piercing, this is great fun !(see the previous sentance)  However the skin resistance on scar tissue is lower then regular skin (mucous skin is also lower then reg skin by the way) and your dealing with a very small area so it will feel a lot more intense.  Highly not recommded for anyone with a metal allergy though.

And pacemakers and internal implants are much huigher risk so not a good idea though I know a few electrical players  who ciontinue to pay with electrical paly even with them.  But they know and have the experiance to asses thier own risks and have talked with thier doctors and manufacturers before doing so.

Rory


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RE: Tens Unit - 10/25/2007 8:46:13 PM   
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Just thought that I would interject here. I have been fortunate enough to bottom for refplace, and he did indeed use his TENS unit on my breast, and not only am I here to share it with y'all, but I LOVED every minute of it.

Just my .02 cents worth,

kat (a new electro-slut )

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