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love-shyness and therapy - 5/3/2007 12:21:35 PM   
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I've experienced a profound awakening over the last day or so, sparked by a thread here on the boards ( I must say thanks to one of the posters, Whiplashsmile, as it was his reply and a link he provided in a thread that lead me to it). One of the links lead me a book written by a Dr. Brian Gilmartin titled Shyness & Love: Casues, Consequences, and Treament, and reading it was a very ephinical experience, as well as being very cathartic as well.  I've gotten to hear some peoples in discovering BDSM and the feeling involved upon doing so.  Finally, something came along that resonanted with the core of thier being.  I've heard from both D's and s's that have been moved to tears and feeling of joy upon discovering they were not alone,  I had a near-identical reaction on reading that book.

Some very small percentage of men, I believe its 1.5% by the writers estimate, have moderate to severe shyness and anxiety in regards to romance and love, and more importantly, only in regard to the opposite sex.  Shyness and introversion are caused by many things, but heterosexual and only hetero men have the cause of their shyness to be eligble women they find attractive.   In fact it was a distinct enough and had a similiar pattern from male to male for him to coin the term "love-shy" specifically for both the casue and effect for the shyness these men experienced.  Pretty much it put forths the theory that a TOO strong romantic desires on the part of the male leads to shyness and the accompanying anxieties. 

The books very long and theres quite a bit of it that that only a trained pshycologist or smiliar could understand. However,  when it came to reading his descriptions of a the typical reactions and behaviors of love-shy men,  I went through... a very.. enlightening experience,  as I match up to those patterns probably in excess of 98%, in all area in which he described some areas are:

Lack of close male friends in the same age group. ( I've never had one )
Early childhood romantic feelings, unrequited or not ( Had my first crush in 1st grade)
Total disinterst in most typically boy activities ( I still can't stand football, basketball, hockey etc)
Others mistake the lack of obvious success or desires for the opposite sex as indications of homosexuality ( A lot of people I meet still think I'm gay, even though I have never been physically attracted to a man , EVER)

Theres a lot more to it than that.  But finally realizing that this wasn't a isloated case for me calls into question for me personally BDSM.  I can't help but feel that my attraction to BDSM is not I'm intrisically inclined towards D/s, but its in compensation for my love-shyness.  While I highly enjoy the play and physical aspects, the actual D/s dynamic has never felt like its a good fit.  Somewhat like buying clothes that look good on the rack, but once you get home and wear it, they lost their appeal somehow.  The simplicity and impersonal nature that can be inherent to some degree or another is appealing, becasue it glosses over and shortcuts the anxieties. But I think that all this may be self-deception on my part.  I somehow KNOW that if I was introduced to an attractive, eligible sub, someone who is in every respect a match, I would still feel the overwhelming anxiety involved in making even simple conversation.  Or conversely, my D/s nature is quite seperate from my love-shyness, but the love-shy nature is what has prevented me in the past from being an a D/s relationship.

So my question is two-fold.  Are there any other hetero males who feel this way?  If you have in the past or do now,  are there any successful therapies to cure it?  Rather unlike BDSM, which I suspect to a large degree we are born with, love-shyness is an enitrely learned subconsious thing,  a kind of people-phobia, and as such the same sort of therapy can work.  The write of the book mentioned a method of therapy referred to as "practic-dating". One of the consequences, and a very severe one at that, as that most love-shy men simply never learn the interpersonal skills most men do during early teen/teen years.  It fits me to a "T" at any rate, cause I'm still almost completely clueless when it comes to reading body langauge and behaviors that indicate romantic interest.

by the way, i'm located in the St. Louis metro area, so any specific recomendations for a therapist/counselor would be much appreciated as well.

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RE: love-shyness and therapy - 5/4/2007 5:25:10 AM   
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I did a quick google and here's a longer description

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love-shyness

and a 4.5 Meg PDF of the full book

http://www.love-shy.com/Gilmartin/toc.html


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RE: love-shyness and therapy - 5/4/2007 9:04:56 AM   
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Thx Rafters. It was that book that lead me to writing the OP

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RE: love-shyness and therapy - 5/5/2007 10:28:04 AM   
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What stood out for me when I read the wikipedia article was this.

quote:

have low levels of serotonin in their brains and testosterone in their blood. Have high levels of dopamine in their brains.


I wonder if some type of hormone therapy along with psychiatric therapy would be usefull as well.

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RE: love-shyness and therapy - 5/5/2007 12:10:59 PM   
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Most likely.  I've been attempting to find a therapist in my local area to help. The main issue I'm running into is that is not just simply an anxiety/phobia issues or a relationship one; it's both of those and a few others as well.  One of the things Dr. Gilman noted was that nearly traditional type therapies don't work, the majorty of them men he interviewed had been in and out of therapy for many years with no such luck.    Its almost quite painfully ironic in a way.  The simplest solution and the one virtually guaranteed way to remove this paticular shyness forever is to simply have a girlfriend, which is the one thing we can't get on our own.

I tried eHarmony just for SNG's a few days ago.  Unlike any other personals sites, CM included, eHarmony does that 29 dimension personality profile which they mention so often in their TV ads.  What they don't mention is that something like 1 out of 5 people fall outside their profiles and get told "Sorry we can't help you, try again later when your personalities different".  Wanna guess how I find that out?

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RE: love-shyness and therapy - 5/7/2007 12:25:09 PM   
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Hi, Jere.  Yes.  I know exactly what you're talking about.  My husband, though he is bi-curious, had the same exact issue.  Very introverted and withdrawn.  He has NO friends, except me and mine.  Very brainy and has a particular dislike for baseball, though he never has been interested in much sports of any kind.  Before him and I met, his family thought he was gay as well.  Though, we both feel his shyness is related more to social anxiety than romance (love-shy).

He says to this day his therapy was me.  I am a very strong, aggressive, opinionated woman.  I took the lead in the beginning of our dating/relationship.  I initiated our first kiss.  I initiated our first sexual encounter.  I even proposed marriage to him.  He says those things helped to take some of the pressure off of him so he could start to overcome his fears and anxieties.  His family has commented several times throughout our courtship and marriage (Over 5 years now) how much more open and talkative he is, and how I was the first girl he ever brought home to meet them.

I'm not a therapist, but my best advice to you would be to seek out a talkative, strong, independent woman who will chase you, instead of the other way around.  I realize you're a Top, but some of the best subs/slaves I've ever encountered have been women with those qualities, which you may or may not find attractive in the least.

Just know you're not alone and romantic happiness isn't out of reach.  We're near St. Louis as well, so if you'd like to talk on the other side, feel free to get in touch.

~MrsShadows~

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RE: love-shyness and therapy - 5/10/2007 1:21:58 PM   
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Since it appears to be a variant of social phobia, I'm not surprised that talk therapy alone is not effective. Try medication for social phobia combined with Cognitive Behavioral Therapy added after about six weeks on the optimal medication level. The medication will allow you to not be shy and then you add in CBT to teach you different skills in talking to people you find attractive. Once you've mastered the skills, you may find that you can slowly taper off the meds.

Get thee to a psychiatrist for medication and have the name of a therapist you have met and like. Any good psychiatrist will ask you if you are also in therapy. If you don't know of a therapist who is knowledgable about social phobia, ask the psychiatrist for a referral. Conversely if you have a good therapist but need a psychiatrist with experience in social phobia, ask the therapist for a referral.

However you find them both, also give them written permission to contact each other to discuss your case.

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