RE: Is it rape if she likes it?

Life isn't always text book or studies.

There are always exceptions.

Having worked with rape victims, being believed by police or even gaining arrests is far from easy. CL is correct on that issue. Just search here for threads concerning rape - there have been plenty of cites where posters felt that the law services were unhelpful.

I know this is an emotional issue but name calling doesn't help. Fact is, now one can say that rape is just about control, same as someone cannot state that rape is just about sex. Motivation doesn't work like that. There isn't a simple one true way. No one can look into someone else brain. And the studies alter constantly. There are many ways and means to be raped. Because a person is battered and bruised, doesn't mean that sex wasn't the motivational key in the beginning.

Rape is defined as forced, manipulated or coerced sexual intercourse (or other sexual act) against the will of the victim.... forced or manipulated nonconsensual sexual contact, including vaginal or anal intercourse, oral sex, or penetration with an object. Without the sexual contact it would be abuse.

And I again point that you contradicted yourself with your own cite. Sadism is sexual arousel through causing pain. It is one of the four definitions you gave.

Of course it is easy to ignore me and that particular point, and much more 'fun' to let ones emotions loose in name calling and deriding people over the internet.

And yes, I am being persistant and rambling (as Darcy is all too used to - thank the godz for his patience[:)]) But then, as he knows, two things I feel extremely strongly about. And when there is misinformation and generalisation on one of those subjects, I think it is incredibly belittling to those who have suffered and been survivors of such traumatic acts... only to be told that it really wasn't rape because it was a sexually motivated attack.

(I can say that, I'm a Brit....[;)])

Life isn't always text book or studies.

You should direct this to CL as he's the one crying for citations not me

There are always exceptions.

Having worked with rape victims, being believed by police or even gaining arrests is far from easy. CL is correct on that issue.

i beg to differ - he did not say it wasn't easy he said the victim would not have a leg to stand on. It doesn't matter if police believe you or not - you have a right to be protected under the law and the law specifically states it is rape if you engage in sexual activity with a person thats impaired.

I know this is an emotional issue but name calling doesn't help.

i take it you mean when he called me ignorant and stupid [;)]

And I again point that you contradicted yourself with your own cite. Sadism is sexual arousel through causing pain. It is one of the four definitions you gave.

Of course it is easy to ignore me and that particular point, and much more 'fun' to let ones emotions loose in name calling and deriding people over the internet.

Not a contradiction the way i see it. Sadism is inflicting some form of pain and or humiliation on the victim - sex being the vehicle of the sadism and sadism being the motivating factor, force being the means to accomplish the act.

...I think it is incredibly belittling to those who have suffered and been survivors of such traumatic acts... only to be told that it really wasn't rape because it was a sexually motivated attack.

i certainly never made this claim - if i did please point it out to me. Anyone who has been forced or coersed in any way to engage in any sexual act - against their will, or in any way non consentual - is rape.

(I can say that, I'm a Brit....[;)])