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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/7/2007 6:10:04 PM

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For my Master, it's about control. my Master likes to exert His control over my use of the toilet. He often tells me that i must wait until a certain time before using the toilet. He has never given me more than 1 time at a time. Usually, it's 2 or 3 hours that i must wait and i always do, even when my bladder is already full and He tells me to drink another large glass of water within that timeframe, too.

i enjoy the struggle and the accomplishment of holding back on a natural physical urge to relieve myself as soon as i feel the need. It makes me very much aware of what i am capable of doing, when i put my mind to it and i have the additional motivation of obeying my Master.

i have never had any ill effects from holding my pee for extended periods. Of course, i also had a lot of experience doing that in the Army, when on guard duty and unable to leave my post for long periods of time. Holding my pee for my Master is much more enjoyable than it was holding it until my shift was over.

Edited to add: BTW, no diaper for me. In fact, i have never even considered asking for one, nor would i want to wear one. That seems to be defeating the purpose of having to hold my pee for the extended period of time. That doesn't take any will power. Peeing is peeing, whether it's into a toilet or into a diaper or on the ground. i'm ordered to hold it in and that's what i do.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/7/2007 7:03:17 PM

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My Owner has decided we will play this game. I have 5 toilet breaks spread through at times that are more condusive with my schedule. 7:30am 12:00(noon) 3:00pm 8:00pm 12:00(midnight). I am not allowed to soil myself, if I miss an allocated time or cannot hold it for any reason I am to go to the toilet (he decided this for both health and hygeine reasons), but I have to send a text message to tell him of my infraction and expect disciplinary action accordingly.

Edit to add: You should have seen the grin spread across his face as he read the blog and considered the idea and its implications. Those D-types do have an evil streak in them!

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/7/2007 7:17:30 PM

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I think it would be hot if my Daddy did this every now and then...but I don't think I'd like it for everyday.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/7/2007 8:19:19 PM

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As always- whatever works for you. We want an authority dynamic- that can certainly include bodily functions. It wouldn't work for me for a few reasons, but then I don't really have a problem wearing a diaper so if it comes to that, then go for it. I know it kinda doesn't get the whole "body diverting control" thing, but I'm not into that much anyway so that's ok too :)

I always love contrasting threads like these with all the ones that go "the MIND is what's important to submission, then the body follows."

I think we need to mash them all together and realize what a truly complex and subtle process submission and gaining authority really is- and how trying to simplify it down into such trite terms as if one path is going to be IT forever lead only to problems.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/7/2007 8:23:20 PM

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I think it is the submissive mindset it puts you in. I had the experience of something simular, but I am into the AB scene. I was put in diapers and was told I was a baby if I used them. Being plied with a lot of liquids and given suppositories fueled the submission.
It was actually quite a turn on, but may not be for everyone.
I do understand the attraction to this type of scene though..

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/8/2007 6:56:02 AM

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Four hours is just not that huge of a thing and in fact it could be a sign if a person cannot go that long without needing to go to the bathroom as an indicator of a medical problem.

Four hours is not tough at all if no vaginal births and you are young. Menopausal and having had vaginal births, no C sections, is an entirely different story.

I imagine you can sleep through the night without needing to urinate. That's something else that stops at a certain age. It's one of the reasons the elderly have such poor sleeping habits; are frequently grouchy due to constant sleep deprivation, need to nap etc.

For me, this is something I can't do. Not won't, can't. There's no way I could permanently be successful anymore than I could flap my wings and fly if told to.

Kegels only work to a certain degree. They cannot give me back what age and lowered hormone levels and permanent damage has taken away.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/8/2007 7:05:02 AM

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my feelings? no one should interrupt or mess with the natural flow of things...

seriously; it could have a negative impact on ones physical well being, such as kidneys and bowels for a start.

as far as having the option of not going or wetting/soiling themselves; i guess that's all fine and dandy if you don't work for a living or if the dominant is the one who wants to be there at the exact moment the diaper needs to be changed, and of course, if he's the one forking out the money for the diapers in the first place...

diaper rash, yeast infections, and things of that nature aren't pretty, and you wouldn't catch me going through it,

but

just because it's not my kink doesn't mean it's not okay for someone else to do it; so goodie for them.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/8/2007 7:47:21 AM

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I have a friend who for two years was too afraid to go to the bathroom and so held it for an long as he could. He now has next to no control over it and wets himself often as all his holding it for so long pushed the muscles too far. He is 26 and now has to wear incontinant pads daily. So yes being forced to hold it can do physical damage.

Personaly i have to go about every two hours during the day. I have to ask my masters permission but he would never force me to go at particular times.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/8/2007 8:53:14 AM

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Four hours is just not that huge of a thing and in fact it could be a sign if a person cannot go that long without needing to go to the bathroom as an indicator of a medical problem.

Four hours is not tough at all if no vaginal births and you are young. Menopausal and having had vaginal births, no C sections, is an entirely different story.

I imagine you can sleep through the night without needing to urinate. That's something else that stops at a certain age. It's one of the reasons the elderly have such poor sleeping habits; are frequently grouchy due to constant sleep deprivation, need to nap etc.

For me, this is something I can't do. Not won't, can't. There's no way I could permanently be successful anymore than I could flap my wings and fly if told to.

Kegels only work to a certain degree. They cannot give me back what age and lowered hormone levels and permanent damage has taken away.

I am in the same boat due to aging and nerve damage sometimes even 2 hours is too long a wait and sleeping thru the night without having to get up has been history for some time, as for work even though I am allowed breaks every 2 hours it does not always fits my own physical needs so I had to obtain a doctors note stating that I may require relief more often and my workspace inorder to comply with worksplace health and safety laws must comply and provide someone to fill in a relieve when I do need to go, a game like this I would see more as cruelity in my situation than as an act of submission, , pretty much 70% of women will develop some form of incontinence in their lifetime, some can be corrected with meds, exercises, surgeries and a small percentage of those will have to suffer they remaining lives living with the problem and loss of diginity it causes, though many may see it is as a fun game now, in real life when the health fades it is not quite as fun anymore as it can impact your social life and even relationships and since the percent of women that will experience is so damn high the majority will end up in time learning what it is like without having to make a game of it.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/8/2007 9:42:08 AM

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I imagine you can sleep through the night without needing to urinate.

I've never been able to do that. I'm doing pretty good if I go 6 hours at a stretch during the night. Maybe that's why I'm so good at being able to just go back to sleep so quickly.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/8/2007 9:57:14 AM

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Tha's unhealthy to have someone wait that long and if the blogger 'misses' at time, she has to wait until the next one or use a diaper or go on herself. She is being treated like an animal and horribly at that. Infections are just the tip of the iceberg for complications, serious damage can be done. I hope her partner wakes up to reality before its too late and she ends up in the hospital; that can be considered a crimincal act, even bottom-types are entitled to use the restroom as needed, but at scheduled times, I would LOVE to sit on the jury.

Let’s have some reality and perspective here.

Four hours is just not that huge of a thing and in fact it could be a sign if a person cannot go that long without needing to go to the bathroom as an indicator of a medical problem. Most people though who cannot wait that long is not so much about their body but by their intake levels. Yes, it is important to drink a significant amount of water but this does not mean to always have water or a caffeine product with you at all times. Part of the control would be when you intake your liquids to time it.

Another thing she does have an option of wetting herself. That maybe not for many or most, but actually there are people into it. It is in the realm of humiliation play not exactly a way out there type thing.

I did not try to read the blog but yeah if there is an actual twelve hour that is dangerous but I am not sure I buy that as a fact or at least this as a theory for other people to explore with times that work for them.

6:30PM to 6:30AM is 12 hours. That IS dangerious to hold that long. {uses fingers and toes to count} I suck at math, but 630 to 630 is 12 hours and that is VERY dangerious, it's not good hygene.

It's not my body, but personally, I still think humuliation is disgusting beyond words as its the sign of someone who is ill. Ask any medical doctor what the ramifications of 'holding it' for 12hours can be, it would scare you.

I enjoy bathroom control, but what the OP brings up is NOT safe. We all have limits and as a bottom-type our first duty is to keep ourselves healthy for our partners, this seems to have been something that was missed.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/8/2007 10:15:33 AM

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Most people sleep for 6 to 8 hours and do not need to urinate. Waiting 4 hours will not be a problem unless there is already an underlying medical problem. Do a search before making accusations of criminal behavior. People making such remarks are taking a personal limit and trying to expand them to everyone. When a "submissive" does such a thing, it makes me think of more of a manipulative bottom.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/8/2007 3:18:01 PM

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It always suprises me the number of negative responses that urine threads get from subs.

OK 24hrs into this and its a no brainer so far. No discomfort. I am getting 5 times allocated throughout the day to piss with the longest space 7.5hrs at night while I sleep, and physically its not even a challenge. I am not straining, nor holding on, except for the morning one when the time comes to piss I am sitting down and forcing myself to go. If anything, it is actually increasing the number of times I empty my bladder during the day.

What it is doing is making me conscious of my schedule. It is making me aware of how my body feels. It's like when you declare you are going on a diet all you think about is chocolate, well now I am preoccupied with the toilet, watching the clock, not wanting to miss my time... because I know if I do then it could become challenging. It's become all about self discipline.

For those who think that Masters that would set this are cruel... my monthly cycle started this morning and the first thing he did upon finding out was to ask if I was in any additional discomfort due to being on a schedule during my flow, and if I was then I was to report it at once and we would make any necessary adjustments.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/8/2007 3:31:51 PM

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I'm glad this is working out for you, and that you're enjoying it!

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/8/2007 3:37:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty

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ORIGINAL: toservez

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ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty

Tha's unhealthy to have someone wait that long and if the blogger 'misses' at time, she has to wait until the next one or use a diaper or go on herself. She is being treated like an animal and horribly at that. Infections are just the tip of the iceberg for complications, serious damage can be done. I hope her partner wakes up to reality before its too late and she ends up in the hospital; that can be considered a crimincal act, even bottom-types are entitled to use the restroom as needed, but at scheduled times, I would LOVE to sit on the jury.

Let’s have some reality and perspective here.

Four hours is just not that huge of a thing and in fact it could be a sign if a person cannot go that long without needing to go to the bathroom as an indicator of a medical problem. Most people though who cannot wait that long is not so much about their body but by their intake levels. Yes, it is important to drink a significant amount of water but this does not mean to always have water or a caffeine product with you at all times. Part of the control would be when you intake your liquids to time it.

Another thing she does have an option of wetting herself. That maybe not for many or most, but actually there are people into it. It is in the realm of humiliation play not exactly a way out there type thing.

I did not try to read the blog but yeah if there is an actual twelve hour that is dangerous but I am not sure I buy that as a fact or at least this as a theory for other people to explore with times that work for them.

6:30PM to 6:30AM is 12 hours. That IS dangerious to hold that long. {uses fingers and toes to count} I suck at math, but 630 to 630 is 12 hours and that is VERY dangerious, it's not good hygene.

It's not my body, but personally, I still think humuliation is disgusting beyond words as its the sign of someone who is ill. Ask any medical doctor what the ramifications of 'holding it' for 12hours can be, it would scare you.

I enjoy bathroom control, but what the OP brings up is NOT safe. We all have limits and as a bottom-type our first duty is to keep ourselves healthy for our partners, this seems to have been something that was missed.

How many people posting telling you this is not true do you have to read (are you reading) before you understand? Being allowed other forms of release is not holding it. Being put in a diaper may be humiliating at first, however, this is the dynamic they have agreed upon.

Honestly I believe people that are so adversely effected by what others say is healthy FOR THEM and vehemently attempt to put themselves in that position with no understanding and no ability to have an open mind are the ones that are incredibly insecure and "ill". You do realize you sound like the vanilla public and their response to wiitwd right?

I couldn't and wouldn't do this for various health reasons that are individual to me, however, if it works for you all, go for it.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/8/2007 3:40:11 PM

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It always suprises me the number of negative responses that urine threads get from subs.

OK 24hrs into this and its a no brainer so far. No discomfort. I am getting 5 times allocated throughout the day to piss with the longest space 7.5hrs at night while I sleep, and physically its not even a challenge. I am not straining, nor holding on, except for the morning one when the time comes to piss I am sitting down and forcing myself to go. If anything, it is actually increasing the number of times I empty my bladder during the day.

What it is doing is making me conscious of my schedule. It is making me aware of how my body feels. It's like when you declare you are going on a diet all you think about is chocolate, well now I am preoccupied with the toilet, watching the clock, not wanting to miss my time... because I know if I do then it could become challenging. It's become all about self discipline.

For those who think that Masters that would set this are cruel... my monthly cycle started this morning and the first thing he did upon finding out was to ask if I was in any additional discomfort due to being on a schedule during my flow, and if I was then I was to report it at once and we would make any necessary adjustments.

LW, please don't group others with those with closed minds. It sounds like it's working for you and he's careful to look at any health problems or unforseen complications you might have. Nothing we try the first time with people we haven't done it with before is foolproof. Having an open mind and paying attention is really the key in my opinion and it seems he's good at that and wouldn't risk your health. Kudos to both of you.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/8/2007 4:01:48 PM

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LW, please don't group others with those with closed minds.

I am sorry Laurell, I didnt meant to imply that all the responses were negative ones (and be default including yours), merely an observation that after having read several posts over time on the theme of toiletting, it seems to be a subject that brings out a negative response from a lot of subs.

I should add it was great to see responses from those who loved the idea or could see the merit in the exercise, and who have an open minded approach to new scenarios.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/8/2007 4:15:50 PM

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LW, please don't group others with those with closed minds.

I am sorry Laurell, I didnt meant to imply that all the responses were negative ones (and be default including yours), merely an observation that after having read several posts over time on the theme of toiletting, it seems to be a subject that brings out a negative response from a lot of subs.

I should add it was great to see responses from those who loved the idea or could see the merit in the exercise, and who have an open minded approach to new scenarios.

I won't speak for others, I'll just say that *my* only concern was the physical health aspect of it all. I don't usually put little disclaimers on my posts to make I don't "offend" anybody with my opinion. Especially if the OP asked for our feelings on it.

By the way... disagreeing isn't being close-minded.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/8/2007 4:32:55 PM

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LW, please don't group others with those with closed minds.

I am sorry Laurell, I didnt meant to imply that all the responses were negative ones (and be default including yours), merely an observation that after having read several posts over time on the theme of toiletting, it seems to be a subject that brings out a negative response from a lot of subs.

I should add it was great to see responses from those who loved the idea or could see the merit in the exercise, and who have an open minded approach to new scenarios.

I won't speak for others, I'll just say that *my* only concern was the physical health aspect of it all. I don't usually put little disclaimers on my posts to make I don't "offend" anybody with my opinion. Especially if the OP asked for our feelings on it.

By the way... disagreeing isn't being close-minded.

No it's not, and my post wasn't about your reply, I'm not sure how you thought it was.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/8/2007 4:34:25 PM

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Hi Gardenista,

I did indeed ask if any subs had been set such a regime, and if so how did they feel about this.

I didn't ask for people who had not tried this to tell me that a Master who set this is performing criminal behaviours, how disgusted they were in the whole ordeal..... but I expect posts like that, especially on this topic.

What seems to have been missed in the whole trauma of being pissed... is that I suggested the alternative of eating schedules. For me the concept was more about the routine, the structure. It could equally be as effective with set meal times. As long as the diet is healthy if you are being told what to eat and at which times, any form of snacks or any other oral satisfaction such as gum is prohibited, I imagine that the sensation would be similar. Feeling the growing need to use the bathroom would be similar to feeling the growing growling of your tummy as your time comes close.

The OP was meant to be about the psychological aspect, how a sub would feel under such a routine, about surrending such a basic "right" to the control of another. Obviously a lot of s-types are not comfortable with this, and that is fine.

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