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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz

What about the people that feel they are entitled to a seat because they feel claustrophobic... or they want more room just because... or their leg is screwy and they can't sit still? Are you discriminating against them as well?

that was a point I made earlier. Given my druthers, I'd rather be the only person on my airplane. why? because I want it to be like that. my ratiocinations are the same as large people who wants two seats. Are airlines discriminating against me because they won't let me ride by myself in a 747 for 500 dollars? By the mentality of a lot of posters in this thread (assuming they cared about thinking objectively, which I doubt is the case), then yes, they are discriminating against me.

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

Variation- I knew you were gonna go there
My connection dropped whilst I was making a post asking, amongst other things, "and how would you know when the last maintenance on an airlines' planes was done or whether the kitchen of the local bistro was full of roaches?" Requiring such information to be provided would interfere with someone's "private property", no? That said, do you research the cleanliness and food preparation practices of every place you go to eat? Or do you look for the "letter" posted at the entrance, and walk out if it isn't an "A". How would you know if said establishment/ business doesn't serve people of a certain color, creed, whatever so that you could "vote" with your money?

I wouldn't mandate that such information to be required (do you really think I haven't stumbled upon such simplistic observations?). however, good companies who want to reassure their customers could release that information on their own. or, if they wanted, they could willingly join an organization that gives out health or safety grades so that the consumer knows that this restaurant or service is better than its competitors so that they make more money.

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ORIGINAL: BbwCanaDomme

I'm going to take a wild guess and say you're into objectivism. I love boys in their 20s who read too much Ayn Rand haha

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

UK 14. No idea what that equates to in America.

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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

That's how we remain in a civil society.

I wouldn't call a society who remained civil only through coercion and aggression very civil...

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Laws are in place so that members of society can all enjoy opportunities for work, recreation, shopping, etc.

I'm confused, why should all members of society enjoy equal opportunities for work, recreation, shopping, etc. I've never taken well to the litany of egalitarianism...

Rothbard has an excellent quote on the subject which I feel is somewhat relevent since you are making a plea to your subjective notion of 'fairness'.

"The diversity of mankind is a basic postulate of our knowledge of human beings. But if mankind is diverse and individuated, then how can anyone propose equality as an ideal? Every year, scholars hold Conferences on Equality and call for greater equality, and no one challenges the basic tenet. But what justification can equality find in the nature of man? If each individual is unique, how else can he be made 'equal' to others than by destroying most of what is human in him and reducing human society to the mindless uniformity of the ant heap?"

To create absolute equality, you're going to have to knock everyone on the right side of the bellcurve down a few notches. taken to it's ends, you'd have the wonderful world of harrison bergeron. to be perfectly honest, people don't deserve equal 'opportunities' because people aren't equal. The Mozart's, the Szasz's, the Mises', the Sagan's, the Rockefeller's, the Rostropovich's, and the Cummings' of the world put out products and ideas that are unquantifiably more impressive than anything I could produce. they deserve more. likewise, any individual who produces something deserves more than the lumpenproletariate. I dont' see why we should have rights to education, healthcare, maseratis, foie gras, or two seats on an air plane just because we are a human.

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I don't want to live in a society that forces people to stay out of movie theaters and restaurants and certain buildings, just because businesses won't put up a ramp (hey, isn't keeping people out of those places forcing people to do something they don't want to do?). Try living your life in a wheelchair for awhile, and see if your perspective changes. Otherwise, maybe being forced to stay home is OK with you, since you wouldn't be able to get around very much.

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I find this quite funny. you don't want to live in a society where people are forced to stay out of movie theaters and restaurants because they dont' want to build a ramp...but you are more than happy to live in a society where people are forced to build ramps, larger bathrooms, regulate smoking, etc. on their private property.

*sigh*

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and no, keeping people out of those places is not forcing people to do something they want to do. what a silly argument. denying someone a trade or transaction is not the same forcing someone to commit an action. if you can't figure out why, I'd be more than happy to hold your hand through the argument.

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you know what, if I lived in a wheelchair, I wouldn't have a different perspective. sorry.

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ORIGINAL: MzMia

Is there a full moon tonight?

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The misconception you seem to have is that large people want to have 2 seats, or want to take up more room than is allowed.  The fact is that the travel industry has failed to look at the fact that they don't make their accomodations for the average sized person.  Large people are not looking for special treatment, people in general are seeking a REASONABLE accomodation for their travel.  Bearing in mind that there are ALWAYS exceptions to the rule.

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I don't know how tall you are, how large or small you are, what your circumstances are at all.    People that don't need REASONABLE accomodations never think anyone needs an accomdation for any reason.  No one fits into the societal norm of everything.  There will come a time when you will need a REASONABLE accomodation.  I hope it is there for you

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It's wrong to (penalize) people because of their size.
People are all human (I read that once, a few years back), only too human and we are not all the same.
You should be given as much space as you need, God knows we all pay enough.
The airlines make more than enough money (might I suggest you read some of the annual financial statements from all the US and other air carriers...for a somewhat different viewpoint on that subject).

If you're a waitress...would you see it as appropriate to bring 2 meals for the price of one...and in accord...follow on....tips?

If you're a home builder...would you add a 2 person tub for the price of a 1 person tub...or a 14 foot wide garage for the same price as an 11 foot?

If you're a car salesperson...would you sell someone a Hummer for the same price as a Honda Fit?

Would you, as a truck driver....deliver 15 yards of rock for the same price as 6?

As an architect, design a 4,500 sf home for the same price as a 1,200 sf one?

How about designing 6 brochures....for the same price as 2?

Or even printing 100,000 postcards for the same price as 25,000?

(And yet you expect an airline to provide 2 seats for the same price as 1).

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Variation

you are speaking like a child, demanding what you want, then telling everyone else to "fuck off"

now, im not about to do your homework, google bailing out airlines.  many, many times an airlines has went to the government, hat in hand, begging for money.  and you still want to call them a "private" business?  they have taken public money time and time again, even looked to the government for increased taxes and fees.  do a bit more homework dear.

you have made your own argument moot.  congratulations, scholar!