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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 4:19:43 AM

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XYisInferior wrote: ... Irrefutable fact...

If you had even the slightest understanding of science, you would never say such a thing. A scientific theory consists solely of refutable facts, supported by evidence and attempts at explanation. The irrefutable is the province of faith and mysticism.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 4:27:17 AM

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There is a flip side to it that is often missed by people because it is not so obvious, and that is that the male side of the equation is the one which makes evolution possible. Millions of gametes released at once and only the one (presumably the strongest, though the system is obviously not foolproof) gets to fertilize the egg.

You misunderstand. Evolution is made possible by the random mutations that happen to both egg and sperm. It could still happen even if the man provided only a single sperm cell each time. Mutations that produce `stronger' sperm cells do not help one man compete against another man, except in cases where a woman has sex with a number of men in a very short space of time.

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Reverse the power dynamic and it would become just as much of a monster that the current patriarchal paradigm is now.

Amen. Er, I mean, awomen. Somewomen. Aperson. Something.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 4:34:23 AM

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Exactly. That's my point. Based on these facts, you (and I) are inferior to Females.

No, you are inferior period. The application of your opinion to this topic is no different than those who spout the utter bs that one race is inferior to another or those that think one's geographic location makes one inherently inferior to others. The point is, inferior people are inferior, not by race, gender or location but by their own mental makeup. Its how you get guys who want to cut off their own dick because they feel their genes are inferior. Personally, I agree with them. I wish there were pecker whacker stations all over. I'd rather them not ever have the chance to breed that instability back into the gene pool.

And you want me to go read something from a NOW boardmember? Let's talk superiority for a moment. This age, this time, these last few decades are about the only decades in written history where a NOW member could exist. History has a lot more examples of females in slavery than it does females in superior roles, with the exception of those born into those roles. For every superior female example in history are a few million dirt scrubing, collar wearing slaves who were bred, not fucked, not made love to, but bred. The blip on your graph of superiority is just that, a blip of your own making, and mostly comes at a time when a some men strangle themselves at their own guilt of being male.

What is truly superior are personalities. The gender they are attached to has no bearing on it. That's how you get to be inferior no matter what. You posit that inferirority to females and honestly dude, walk in just about anywhere and start spouting this horseshit and everyone there, male and female are going to find you vastly inferior in terms of mental health.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 4:37:48 AM

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XYisInferior wrote: If people choose to base Female Supremacy upon biological facts, how is it "wrong"?

Because:

the biological `facts' are often not facts at all;
the biological `facts' are cherry-picked to advance the conclusion and facts that contradict the conclusion are ignored;
the biological `facts' do not support the conclusion drawn from them and could equally (by which I mean, equally invalidly) be used to draw exactly the opposite conclusion;
the notion of `superiority' is entirely in your interpretation of the biological `facts'.

Science works by gathering the evidence and drawing conclusions from it. You are working by drawing conclusions and gathering evidence to support them.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 4:41:24 AM

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Science works by gathering the evidence and drawing conclusions from it

and at any given moment, Mother Nature will say "fk you" throw you a curve, IMHO we are only as good or only as scientific as this moment.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 4:41:40 AM

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XYisInferior wrote: the Female, by virtue of being Female, will have all the biological qualities that make her the complete copy of the human organism.

Having a penis and testicles is a biological quality of some humans; having a vagina and womb is a biological quality of some others. Therefore, a `complete copy of the human organism' must have all of those things, right?

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 6:23:23 AM

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Denied! Men have nipples because they form before any sex-differentiation happens in the embryo. It's not because the male is a derivative of a female `template' but, rather, because both male and female are derivatives of a sexless template.

Hate to burst your bubble, but that's not really true. If anything the embryo follows a female (fully featured) template. That is why nipples are present in both sexes. It is the effect of the Y chromosome and the hormone testosterone that masculinises the embryo. Testosterone promotes the growth of the penis and testicles, and stops the development of the breasts. Because nipples are there before this process takes place the nipples stay and are developed to function as they were intended only in the Female.

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One could just as easily claim that, since the clitoris develops from the same tissues that become the penis in the male, the female is a derivative of the male template and, therefore inferior. But that would be total bunk, too.

You're quite right it would be bunk, because the penis actually corresponds to and is derivative of the clitoris in the Female, not vice versa.

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From which one could just as easily conclude that men are superior because the Y chromosome pair can evolve more quickly.

One could "conclude" that, but it just wouldn't make sense to, given the available data about the Y chromosome, of which I have cited.

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Denied! The global average life expectancy is about 64 years for men and 68 for women.

Granted, those numbers change gradually over the years, especially as society evolves, but in most cases (even according to the research you cite yourself) Females are still retaining on average higher life expectancy. Currently the sex difference ranges from four to six years in North America and Europe to more than 13 years between men and women in Russia. You failed to mention that Africa has one of the lowest life expectancy rates overall in the world, by the way.

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There are studies that suggest that, actually, men have a higher pain tolerance.

So say you.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 6:26:53 AM

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the biological `facts' are cherry-picked to advance the conclusion and facts that contradict the conclusion are ignored

Well, I have provided sources to my information. I eagerly await yours.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 6:54:48 AM

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the biological `facts' do not support the conclusion drawn from them and could equally (by which I mean, equally invalidly) be used to draw exactly the opposite conclusion;
the notion of `superiority' is entirely in your interpretation of the biological `facts'.

One could say ignoring the facts to support one's argument for "fairness" or political correctness is equally biased and invalid.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 6:59:03 AM

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And you want me to go read something from a NOW boardmember? Let's talk superiority for a moment. This age, this time, these last few decades are about the only decades in written history where a NOW member could exist. History has a lot more examples of females in slavery than it does females in superior roles, with the exception of those born into those roles.

Warren Farrell actually does make good points in his book. Pick it up and give it a read. It (ironically) gives men some ammunition against feminist propaganda and disinformation.

Don't forget that slave making is not solely the institution of males.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 7:47:36 AM

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Science is about discovering truths about our universe which can be tested and verified conclusively. Thus far science has revealed that women are genetically more complicated—and complete—than men, as well as less prone to genetic diseases, have more advanced nervous systems, and so on. This is what the objective facts reveal. That is why good science is so wonderful; it is objective.

Sorry I had to snip that so this didn't go overly long. I highlighted the words you claim are true so that you know what I am addressing.

I don't know where you get these facts... but if you will look at the end of my post here... there are a couple links. Links for a genetic disease that is taking out the women in my family. It is a genetic disease and both men and women get it, but in my family... we have mostly women passing it on and getting it and DYING from it. I have it... I will die from it... unless some freak thing comes first. I am ill and have been for many years. I have survived longer than other's in my family and other's worldwide with the illness simply because I won't do what the doctors who really don't know what to do because it isn't even taught in the USA, tell me to do. They would have me just like the other women in my family.

So, I guess in my family the women are not superior because the men are making it through this illness better than the women who are weaker by birth and getting the Cadasil. Cadasil is in the brain... I also have another illness that comes from the brain. In real life facts.. and medical science... I will base my proof that I am no more than any man according to your science. Either that... or I am a man! lol

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 7:58:28 AM

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Hey Lockit, it's not your nose or some genie you need to rub to put a man in 'worship' mode! <wicked, evil, grin> Thanks for the smile your humor engenders!

As to the rest of the post...my opinion/two cents...

I'm not into 'gender' superiority. I have people I admire, and I strive to be the best I can be. With me, there is no 'automatic respect'...its all earned :)

If a man wants to worship Me, that's fine, but do it because of the personal growth and evolution I've done, not just because I have XY cellular structure.

As my Dominance is shared with only a valued few, so should a person consider the reasons s/he desires to serve and submit.

LOL... Maybe I will get this stuff right one of these days! But I do look kinda cute when I blink my eyes and wiggle my nose! And I would like to rub on a submissive genie to make all my wishes come true! But that would need to be discussed in the financial domination thread I think...

I do love the word engender's, especially on this thread! lol You could have used a number of words... but you found the one that fits with the word gender! lol I love it!

As for the rest of your post... bravo! I want to be seen for who I have made myself to be rather than what I was born with. One is something that just happens, no intent... the other is something I made happen. Just like my genetic illness for which some believe women are less likey to have... I was born with it... I had nothing to do with it and I am not my illness... it is just there and a part of my life, but it doesn't make me anything but sick. I make the rest!

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 8:04:36 AM

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Stop Press: Apparently redheads are more sensitive to pain than either blondes or brunettes. So it has nothing to do with gender, it's all about hair colour. Now, I'm off before MsStarlett appears to beat me up for saying I'm superior to her.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 8:06:54 AM

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Stop Press: Apparently redheads are more sensitive to pain than either blondes or brunettes. So it has nothing to do with gender, it's all about hair colour. Now, I'm off before MsStarlett appears to beat me up for saying I'm superior to her.

hehe.. that is why I give out the pain!

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 8:21:16 AM

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I don't think your hair is quite as red as Ms S's, Lockit, so you're probably not as inferior, if that's any comfort. But I'd watch it with that henna, if I were you.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 8:29:26 AM

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Links for a genetic disease that is taking out the women in my family. It is a genetic disease and both men and women get it, but in my family... we have mostly women passing it on and getting it and DYING from it. I have it... I will die from it... unless some freak thing comes first. I am ill and have been for many years. I have survived longer than other's in my family and other's worldwide with the illness simply because I won't do what the doctors who really don't know what to do because it isn't even taught in the USA, tell me to do. They would have me just like the other women in my family.

First, sorry to hear about the affliction in your family, and your own struggles, Lockit.

Regarding the tendency for males to be more prone to genetic diseases: this arises from an error on the X chromosome, which causes disease when there is no corresponding X chromosome with a good gene in a pair. But as we know, men are XY. A man with the bad gene on the X chromosome often gets the disease, as there is no second X chromosome. Women have a second good X chromosome which suppresses the bad X gene, leaving them disease-free, but as carriers. Males cannot be carriers, as they do not have the benefit of protection from a second X.

You can read more about male mortality here, for a start.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 8:30:24 AM

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I don't think your hair is quite as red as Ms S's, Lockit, so you're probably not as inferior, if that's any comfort. But I'd watch it with that henna, if I were you.

Smart ass! lol Henna is my friend! Cover's gray really well! And all for a couple of bucks... I can be the redhead I was meant to be! hehe... my lil red highlight's weren't enough flash for my dance! But... I have freckles... does that count for anything? hehe

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 8:38:38 AM

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Links for a genetic disease that is taking out the women in my family. It is a genetic disease and both men and women get it, but in my family... we have mostly women passing it on and getting it and DYING from it. I have it... I will die from it... unless some freak thing comes first. I am ill and have been for many years. I have survived longer than other's in my family and other's worldwide with the illness simply because I won't do what the doctors who really don't know what to do because it isn't even taught in the USA, tell me to do. They would have me just like the other women in my family.

First, sorry to hear about the affliction in your family, and your own struggles, Lockit.

Regarding the tendency for males to be more prone to genetic diseases: this arises from an error on the X chromosome, which causes disease when there is no corresponding X chromosome with a good gene in a pair. But as we know, men are XY. A man with the bad gene on the X chromosome often gets the disease, as there is no second X chromosome. Women have a second good X chromosome which suppresses the bad X gene, leaving them disease-free, but as carriers. Males cannot be carriers, as they do not have the benefit of protection from a second X.

You can read more about male mortality here, for a start.

Thank you for the compassion.

But darlin... Your medical fact's might line up with something you have read and something my doctor's might have been reading too... as they dont have a clue... but men can be carrier's and are... look into many diseases where they carry it and get it and male only diseases. But there are diseases that only women get too.

Look, you can see the world any way you want... medical science and all that... but to present it as fact when clearly I have given you some fact's that are right out there if you google them... that would disprove your comment's... you cannot still argue that women are genetically superior to men when it comes to genetic illness. More women have fibromyalgia than men and have it often times more severely than men. More women have MS than men... and breast cancer.

From where I am standing... your science doesn't add up.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 8:50:00 AM

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Regarding the tendency for males to be more prone to genetic diseases: this arises from an error on the X chromosome, which causes disease when there is no corresponding X chromosome with a good gene in a pair. But as we know, men are XY. A man with the bad gene on the X chromosome often gets the disease, as there is no second X chromosome. Women have a second good X chromosome which suppresses the bad X gene, leaving them disease-free, but as carriers. Males cannot be carriers, as they do not have the benefit of protection from a second X.

To recall what I said about attributes being one thing, and the superiority/inferiority spin put on those attributes being another - one could easily say here that women are "parasitic" on men - because women are the carriers but men aren't.

But you woke up in a house made by men, drove along a road by men in a car made by men, to log onto a computer designed by men, to post about books written by men - on female superiority. This is what I mean about choosing the evidence to support one's view. It's all there, whichever sex you want to believe is the 'superior' - anyone can pick whatever they want.

It is only because certain comparisons have become value-laden in terms of superiority and inferiority for so many years that we can sometimes find it hard to extricate ourselves from that value-ladenness.

So, to go back to a comparison I made earlier that hasn't been made (ever, to my knowledge): which is the superior animal - a gorilla or an orang utan? If you think that this is a silly question (which it is, IMO), then why is it any sillier than that of which is the superior sex in humans?

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 8:54:00 AM

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Look, you can see the world any way you want... medical science and all that... but to present it as fact when clearly I have given you some fact's that are right out there if you google them... that would disprove your comment's... you cannot still argue that women are genetically superior to men when it comes to genetic illness. More women have fibromyalgia than men and have it often times more severely than men. More women have MS than men... and breast cancer.

From where I am standing... your science doesn't add up.

I've never said Women are not affected by specific genetic disorders. In fact, many of the disorders are found on the X chromosome. In overall aggregate, however, males are more affected by genetic disorders due to their lack of sufficient protection. This is science that certainly adds up, in fact, if you care to do some reading. If you wish to refute that evidence, that is certainly your right, of course.

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