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Master vs. Dom - 2/14/2006 7:39:24 AM

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i'm not sure this is the place for this question, if not i apologize. i've been thinking about this for a while. What is the difference between a Master and a Dom, is there a difference? i have my own opinions about this, but am curious as to what Oothers think. Thank Yyou Aall.

RE: Master vs. Dom - 2/14/2006 7:59:07 AM

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Others may have diffrent views on this but for me a Dominant is simply someone who would fit that role in a D/s relationship, wether or not they have found that relationship or not.

A Master is someone who has already found someone who calls him Master.

(I know the Goreans have a diffrent take on it, for example Ironbear is Master Ironbear because he is the master of his household, wether he has a sub or slave currently or not)

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RE: Master vs. Dom - 2/14/2006 8:20:34 AM

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If you look at all those sub vs slave threads about- the same exact thing can be applied to the master/dom discussion.

Every person you ask will give you a different answer. Whatever you decide for yourself, many people will tell you that you are wrong.

For me a dom is someone who is oriented in personal intimate relationships to be fulfilled by having authority over another in an ongoing basis.

A master/mistress is someone who is oriented in personal intimate relationships to be fulfilled by having all ultimate authority over another that is possible.

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RE: Master vs. Dom - 2/14/2006 8:42:37 AM

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Master:

1. One that has control over another.

2.
a. The owner or keeper of an animal:
b. The owner of a slave.

3. One who has control over or ownership of something.

Dom is BDSM lingo for "male dominant" which has great plasticity in interpretation, depending upon the participants involved.

Edited to add: The term 'Master' is often grossly misused, in my opinion.

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RE: Master vs. Dom - 2/14/2006 9:20:26 AM

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ORIGINAL: angelic

i'm not sure this is the place for this question, if not i apologize. i've been thinking about this for a while. What is the difference between a Master and a Dom, is there a difference? i have my own opinions about this, but am curious as to what Oothers think. Thank Yyou Aall.

Lucky is right... you will get alot of different answers... some will be very similiar... but even they will be alittle different.

it's important to consider the context of the words. Dominant for some reflects a personality trait, for others it could be the specific individual with negotiated authority in a given relationship. sometimes it's a combination of the two. alot of people specific definition of a Dominant will vary depending on the context that they are using the term. So, therefore alot of people actually have multiple definitions to this one word "Dominant"

IE... a person saying..."He is my Dominant" or saying "He is Dominant"

These are two very different definitions because of the context they are being stated. One is reflecting the role or authority they have in there relationship. while the other reflects behaviors that the person identifies as being "Dominant". It's important to consider that what you consider as Dominant behaviors can and will be very different than what another person may consider. This is a personal preference thing. You make your own choice on who you consider as a dominant person and who you don't.

Master is a bit different. For more times than not it is a reflection of the Relationship style the person is in or wants to be in. Master generally reflects a person that has a complete authority in there primary relationships. Generally speaking, all Masters are Dominants... but not all Dominants are Masters.

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RE: Master vs. Dom - 2/14/2006 9:26:22 AM

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Others may have diffrent views on this but for me a Dominant is simply someone who would fit that role in a D/s relationship, wether or not they have found that relationship or not.

A Master is someone who has already found someone who calls him Master.

(I know the Goreans have a diffrent take on it, for example Ironbear is Master Ironbear because he is the master of his household, wether he has a sub or slave currently or not)

Thankyou my friend.

Master:

1: One who has Mastered something such as a craft ot trade (Master Builder, Master Baker or perhaps Master Calligrapher). This is ususlly awarded by a Trade/professional Organization or Guild.

2: The Captain of a ship.

3: Male School Teacher (Head Master). Usually because in theory he has control over students whilst they are at the school.

4: Owner of a Home or Establishment. (I am Master of House Iron Bear)

5: Owner of a slave/s

6: The correct form of address by Gorean slaves to a Gorean Free Man.

7: An Academic Degree between a Batchelor and Doctorate. (I have a Master of Science Degree in Applied Psycholog for example)

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RE: Master vs. Dom - 2/14/2006 9:30:19 AM

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A "Master" is not a Master without a slave they are a "dom"

The other way however is that a Dom does not allow nor give submission to another nor do they allow their sub/slave to "top" them.
A "Dom" does allow their partner the ability to control themself at some level or another.

Being a "Dom" is not as much work as being a "Master"
Many can be a Dom, Few can truely be a Master.

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RE: Master vs. Dom - 2/14/2006 9:40:43 AM

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thank Yyou Aall for Yyour opinions... many are the same as mine. One opinion i have is that a Master has a stronger, more aggressive personality than a Dom. (That's not meant to offend the Dom's). It has just been my experience. As Mmany have said, a Master has almost complete control over Their property (i say almost because NnoOone truly has complete and total control over another, imho).

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RE: Master vs. Dom - 2/14/2006 10:52:43 AM

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For my Sir and me it works like this. He is my Dom and I am his sub. We are both new to this lifestyle, but not new to our personality traits. He told me from the beginning not to call him Master because he has yet to master me. Just like I’m not at this time a slave because I haven't ever lived that life. My Sir told me that when the day comes that I feel he has become a Master to me then he will be very proud to have me call him Master. I feel the same way. I truly want to be his slave, but I don't want to be called slave until I have proven to him that I am one.

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RE: Master vs. Dom - 2/14/2006 11:40:33 AM

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quote:

it's important to consider the context of the words.

Well said, KnightofMists. I couldn't agree more.

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RE: Master vs. Dom - 2/14/2006 1:27:51 PM

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I agree that what many have said a Dom is not necessarily the weaker. In 10 years on the internet I have met many that call themselves Masters that have been jokes, they call themselves Masters in a small case, and not only misuse the word, but abuse the power they have over the unknowing. I have found many Doms that know more than so called masters, but they are just waiting for that right sub/slave to take and accept as theirs. I am currently a Dom since I chose to be one. I will say I am not considered weak by any that know me, but the day I take the responsibility I will honor what is mine, and I will do it with respect.

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RE: Master vs. Dom - 2/14/2006 3:16:42 PM

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quote:

In 10 years on the internet I have met many that call themselves Masters that have been jokes, they call themselves Masters in a small case, and not only misuse the word, but abuse the power they have over the unknowing

when I first started chatting on bdsm sites I of course picked up on the almost freenzy of A/all Y/you, Master i, and such.....

I was "into" bdsm long before I was "into" computers....over the years of chatting with people online I have decided it really dosent matter.

little case, big case, inverted, chinese letters, brail, Master, Top, dom, daddy, its all just a label, a label which each person has a diffrent "deffinition" for.

I would rather not be judged by thier pre-concived deffinition of a label I choose to give myself anyway......

That being said (I do have labels I give my girl, and expect her to call me......

Anyway just a thought....

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RE: Master vs. Dom - 2/14/2006 3:23:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: Kinkypupper

A "Master" is not a Master without a slave they are a "dom"

The other way however is that a Dom does not allow nor give submission to another nor do they allow their sub/slave to "top" them.
A "Dom" does allow their partner the ability to control themself at some level or another.

Being a "Dom" is not as much work as being a "Master"
Many can be a Dom, Few can truely be a Master.

Many state that the first person to Master is oneself... does this make them Master or Dom?

I personally feel that one never completely Master oneself or another.... But one can be on a continuous journey of moving towards that utopian ideal!

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RE: Master vs. Dom - 2/14/2006 6:03:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: Kinkypupper

A "Master" is not a Master without a slave they are a "dom"

You discount the whole Gorean LIfestyle perhaps? I only ask out of curiosity for Goreans are not BDSM although some of us do enjoy BDSM activities. However I feel compelled in all fairness to comment that your statement can not be supported for it is a generalization. That alone flaws the arguement.

Good to see you posting again pup.

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Persistence and Determination alone are omnipotent!
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RE: Master vs. Dom - 2/14/2006 8:22:52 PM

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What is the difference between a Master and a Dom,

A Dom is an individual with a dominant personality. A Master is a Dom with property.

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RE: Master vs. Dom - 2/15/2006 12:52:39 AM

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What is the difference between a Master and a Dom,

A Dom is an individual with a dominant personality. A Master is a Dom with property.

Perhaps in the BDSM Lifestyle but not always in the Gorean Lifestyle. However others will disagree.

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RE: Master vs. Dom - 2/15/2006 1:00:07 AM

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All Masters are Doms but not all Doms are Masters. Or to use a vanilla comparison; all husbands are men but not all men are husbands. I define the difference as being committment.... I only proclaim myself a Master when I'm actually in a relationship with a sub/slave. When it's just me, like now, I only self describe as a Dom.

In essence, it's my slave who validates me as Master (as it is a wife who validates her husband) and it's my ownership of her that validates her as a slave rather than a submissive.

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RE: Master vs. Dom - 2/15/2006 6:00:15 AM

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In essence, it's my slave who validates me as Master (as it is a wife who validates her husband) and it's my ownership of her that validates her as a slave rather than a submissive.

Exactly.

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RE: Master vs. Dom - 2/15/2006 6:03:13 AM

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That's my definition too.

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ORIGINAL: Evanesce

A Dom is an individual with a dominant personality. A Master is a Dom with property.

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RE: Master vs. Dom - 2/15/2006 3:02:42 PM

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Actually, I view the definition of a Master as being more in line with the first one put forth in Iron Bear's list. One who has "Mastered" his craft, or at least has a lot of experience, has displayed honor, who has displayed a competency with the tools of his trade (and that includes the psychological ones, chuckles). He is also someone who has mastered himself. I believe the same is true of a Mistress. Do I think someone has to own property to be a Master or Mistress? No. There are individuals within the different communities where everyone seems call a certain individual as "Master or Mistress so and so" even when that person is not there. These individuals are recognized by a large part of the community as having "mastered" their craft.

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