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RE: Master/slave questions - 7/24/2009 8:52:51 PM   
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I mean Nihilus is the current sex god de jure


I think this statement needs to be tested to the fullest extent.  So we can know for sure. *nodnod*

I will gladly volunteer myself to examine this personally.




but Caelestis my darling kittenm as a mere mortal, surely , you will need my help!! I shall throwest myself apon his alterof debauchery and save your pure sweet self.....

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RE: Master/slave questions - 7/24/2009 9:06:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sunnyfey

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ORIGINAL: caelestis

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
I mean Nihilus is the current sex god de jure


I think this statement needs to be tested to the fullest extent.  So we can know for sure. *nodnod*

I will gladly volunteer myself to examine this personally.




but Caelestis my darling kittenm as a mere mortal, surely , you will need my help!! I shall throwest myself apon his alterof debauchery and save your pure sweet self.....


Hm... well... you know, I believe that altar is big enough for all of us...

We can share in the debauchery.  *sly grin*

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RE: Master/slave questions - 7/24/2009 9:23:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: caelestis

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ORIGINAL: Sunnyfey

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ORIGINAL: caelestis

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
I mean Nihilus is the current sex god de jure


I think this statement needs to be tested to the fullest extent.  So we can know for sure. *nodnod*

I will gladly volunteer myself to examine this personally.




but Caelestis my darling kitten as a mere mortal, surely , you will need my help!! I shall throwest myself apon his alter of debauchery and save your pure sweet self.....


Hm... well... you know, I believe that altar is big enough for all of us...

We can share in the debauchery.  *sly grin*


Ok.....but I get dibs on the "virgin" sacrafice routine......

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RE: Master/slave questions - 7/24/2009 10:01:18 PM   
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... I was trying to grasp how some can be so sure that whatever it is they are doing is "more" than someone else if the only difference is they "could" do more.

... Saying "I am in a TPE relationship" but then not exercising much control/authority is fine but sitting in one and saying someone else doesn't have as much control/authority because they "can't in theory" exercise as much seems silly.


Loathed as I am to enter into this fracas, I'm going to admit that I understand and agree with Michael's point here.  To me, this all leads back to the sub/slave debate and the idea of "no limits"... *shudders*

For example...

I'm sure there are many here who, having read my posts and comments for the past three years, would say that, without question, I am at best merely a submissive.  lol... And some might even question that.

I am outspoken, opinionated, and at times... downright contrary.  I have no rules, we practice no "protocols", and I've never had nor ever needed a "safeword" (SSC & RACK mean nothing to us).  The only way I address Firm is with either his name or, typically, with "sweetheart", "darling", or "dear". 

I can't recall the last time I was required to do anything that I didn't want to... and would be surprised if the total number of times even came to five in the past three and one half years we've been together.  The number of times we've ever disagreed would be less than half that.

Firm doesn't give me orders.  If he wants me to do something, he asks.  He even says, "please" most of the time.  

I make independent decisions every day that affect our life and business (Without seeking permission, petitioning, or begging even!), and freely give advice to Firm.  *gasp*  I've even occasionally been known to point out to him when he is mistaken or being an ass.

Good Lord!  How can I possibly call myself submissive?!

Thing is, based on what Leonidas has said, I'm not a submissive.  I'm really a "total" slave in a TPE relationship.

How's that possible, you ask?

Well, you see... although I have desires, preferences and opinions about things, Firm has total control.  When we got together, we agreed that nothing was exempted from his authority.  There were no "negotiations" and we have no contract.  He's the boss and has final say.  Period.

And just as Leonidas laid out, Firm established a "framework" of what he expected and required of me, and delegated back to me the control necessary to accomplish his wishes. 

"But, but... he doesn't make you do things you don't want", you say...

Well, no, he doesn't much.  That's because we want the same things.  We agree on just about everything.

We are *gasp*... compatible.

But because of this, there are those who would view our relationship as merely a mild form of D/s... look down their noses at us and assume that their way is "more and better".

Are we supposed to go around explaining to everyone how, in theory, he could require things be different... if he really wanted? 

Pfft... like Michael said... it's all silly.

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RE: Master/slave questions - 7/24/2009 10:03:45 PM   
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Off topic,

Having missed that earlier, can I say that sex god du jouror not he is rather yummy *flirt flirt*



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Agreed!  *le sigh*

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RE: Master/slave questions - 7/24/2009 10:13:37 PM   
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I was thinking it was more somewhere between a National Geographic documentary about the mating behavior of large mammals, gorillas grappling or ungulates butting horns, & a History channel program about military leaders mustering their forces, ummm, like, Custer going into Bighorn, Napoleon to Waterloo, that sorta thing . . .. . . .

But these days I'm in a fucked-up mood & really enjoying the flaming pee contests, this stuff is mucho entertaining . . . . . . *snicker*

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I would also think that they look on this thread with head shaking disbelief, but in that sense it is just business as usual.


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RE: Master/slave questions - 7/24/2009 10:35:23 PM   
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By this statement:

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

It just smacks of teenagers sitting around comparing sports teams or cars and each bragging about how "their team/car" is better.



Would this be a good example?

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Anyone who needs to make you less so they can feel like more is an insecure nitwit.  Find someone who pushes you to grow and excel, to become a better person tomorrow than you were today.  I exercise my dominance not because they can't say no but because they choose to say yes.  Anyone who can't say no is too weak to inspire me to dominate them.  So strive to be your best and find a man who inspires you to say yes, not one who wants to keep you in a place where you can't say no.



or this?

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael


I can't speak for the others but having run a number of BDSM groups as well as being actively involved in a variety of scene events and such, I get to deal with the emotional fallout some of this stuff causes.   The drama , the heartbreak, the relationships that should have been beautiful ruined by some crap someone read on the internet.    I was at a discussion group in San Francisco last night and I heard some of this same sort of crap from someone in the audience.  I cringed, I can see the tragectory of that relationship and it isn't good.  So forgive me for holding my ground on something that I believe in.

Besides, if it really bugs you, there ARE other threads...



Oh and BTW, you were the one that actual threw the challenge when you mentioned fencing. I say that neither of you use weapons, and go weaponless with no rules.

All of this shit started with this little civil jewel of yours:

quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Anyone who needs to make you less so they can feel like more is an insecure nitwit.  Find someone who pushes you to grow and excel, to become a better person tomorrow than you were today.  I exercise my dominance not because they can't say no but because they choose to say yes.  Anyone who can't say no is too weak to inspire me to dominate them.  So strive to be your best and find a man who inspires you to say yes, not one who wants to keep you in a place where you can't say no.



Now then Michael, you may have some personal charisma, and be able to repeat much of what you read, but those of us that have been around bullshit artist can see right through you. You can do your rainbow and butterfly bullshit to swoon the girls all you like, but in the end I doubt you have what it takes to get them to stay, unless of course they are in control of you.

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RE: Master/slave questions - 7/24/2009 10:39:49 PM   
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Sunnyfey, virgins are all fine and dandy, but sometimes there is something to be said for experience.
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RE: Master/slave questions - 7/24/2009 11:16:36 PM   
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~FR~

Agreed!  *le sigh*

Verily, sweet acolyte, I shower thee with Sex God Blessings!


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RE: Master/slave questions - 7/24/2009 11:27:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DemonKia

But these days I'm in a fucked-up mood & really enjoying the flaming pee contests, this stuff is mucho entertaining . . . . . . *snicker*

Come, Milady, unto the Altar of Debauchery and leave such mortal whimsy aside!


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RE: Master/slave questions - 7/24/2009 11:35:12 PM   
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gonna agree with Sunny, Anne and caelestis(did I spell that right?)..

unfortunately, I'm going to have to skip the alter bit, since the only alter I'm allowed on is my husbands...

(but I DO want juicy details!!!)


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RE: Master/slave questions - 7/24/2009 11:38:29 PM   
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Awwww, that's sweet of you to say . . . . . . That's the kind of attitude that'll have the ladies throwing themselves at you in droves, in my book . . .. .



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ORIGINAL: DemonKia

But these days I'm in a fucked-up mood & really enjoying the flaming pee contests, this stuff is mucho entertaining . . . . . . *snicker*

Come, Milady, unto the Altar of Debauchery and leave such mortal whimsy aside!



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RE: Master/slave questions - 7/25/2009 12:03:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

gonna agree with Sunny, Anne and caelestis(did I spell that right?)..

unfortunately, I'm going to have to skip the alter bit, since the only alter I'm allowed on is my husbands...

(but I DO want juicy details!!!)


Surely, such fervor and zest (and curiosity!) should warrant an honorary 'Altaree' badge! One for the hubby as well! Debauchery for all!

It has been spoken.


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RE: Master/slave questions - 7/25/2009 12:05:03 AM   
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WOOHOO!!  

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RE: Master/slave questions - 7/25/2009 6:51:24 AM   
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Now then Michael,... those of us that have been around bullshit artist can see right through you.


If the pieces I wrote seem like bullshit to you, why don't you rewrite them in your terms?  I am curious to see what you would do differently.

quote:

You can do your rainbow and butterfly bullshit to swoon the girls all you like, but in the end I doubt you have what it takes to get them to stay, unless of course they are in control of you.


I know Goreans are different but I don't see a whole lot of swooning going on in my direction.

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RE: Master/slave questions - 7/25/2009 8:01:11 AM   
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So why do some people people find it necessary to insult or put down people who need that particular thrill of complete power or complete powerlessness?


I think that, in general, it's because we're insecure. The future is an unknown, and -nobody- wants to be wrong or make a mistake, and so they have to try to regulate popular opinion so that, if things go south, the problem results from someone else's issue.

Me, I adore authority and those who yield up every drop of the authority that regulates their lives for me to use as I see fit, and make no bones whatsoever of really enjoying that sense of comprehensive control. I like being able to say "Because I said so", and knowing it will -stick-. I don't need it all the time, which is why, most of the time, management of day-to-day and even larger things are delegated... and I'm fortunate that I've had people around me who grasp that, when I want to be a bossy wench, nothing salves my soul like bossing someone around at a near-molecular level, and when I'm busy and every pot is boiling on the fire and there -is- no back burner, they are -good- at picking up and going on without my intimate meddling.

At the same time, sometimes, when things are rocky for servant on an individual basis, some of those who have served us have really -needed- to know that someone was in control to the level where, no matter how minuscule, they would be taken care of. I tend, having been a midwife, to think of it like a mental/control version of swaddling a newborn because the outer world is just too big and comfort comes from small, close places and tight control. I wouldn't enjoy being in a relationship where this kind of deep management was the day-to-day expectation, though, and I've also been pretty fortunate to have people who were comfortable with either not being tied to it being -me- needing to micromanage or who were comfortably self-directed as a general rule.

I think =any= relationship is a give and take, and sometimes, we need more, sometimes we need less (regardless of what it is), and sometimes we can -give- more and sometimes less -- and sometimes, need and availability conflict, and that's just the nature of the beast. CAD (or TPE or whatever you want to call it) and hierarchy really show their best value, though, for me, when everything is about to go into the crapper -- because that is the time when having -one- person at the helm is what has kept our House from disintegrating under our feet... which has been good for all of us. Whether I or any of the Keepers act on the options of CAD on a day-to-day basis is really dependent on what the day brings, but the -capacity- to make use of that comprehensive control is what enables the Keepers of our household to grab control of that helm when everything is going to hell in a handbasket, and it doesn't really matter to me what -other- people think about it. What is most important is that this is what works for -us-. Whether someone else thinks that we are -weak- or -posers- or whatever is less relevant, to me, than whether or not I can keep my family functional if a crisis rocks us to the core.

Dame Calla

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RE: Master/slave questions - 7/25/2009 8:27:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KneelforAnne

~FR~

Agreed!  *le sigh*

Verily, sweet acolyte, I shower thee with Sex God Blessings!




Oh please, please Sex God...use your big vocabulary on me....
*flutters eyelashes*

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RE: Master/slave questions - 7/25/2009 9:00:12 AM   
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My vocabulary is 7".  Just sayin'.

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RE: Master/slave questions - 7/25/2009 9:16:15 AM   
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My vocabulary is 7
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RE: Master/slave questions - 7/25/2009 9:36:32 AM   
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Has to be in September as summer school is a nightmare. Too bad you are in LA as doing it at Folsom Fair would bring in a VAST amount of money.

I called Merc but he wasn't home but I will see if he will run it by Kane unless you would rather do it at someplace else in LA?

My best window is after the 11th and before Folsom, so you pick the date.

Okay, now who is down for tickets?



Out of a sense of morbid curiosity, I'll bid $500 for a ring side seat.


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