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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Dom...where did he lie?...surely you couldn't tell by that tape if anyone was yelling or asking for an ID?

Butch

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Well the 911 call and the radio traffic between the officer and the dispatcher have been released.

Seems the officer lied in his report several times and Gates is heard in the background not yelling but is heard asking for the officers idnetifying information.

http://www.boston.com/

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One thing the tapes didn't show: any clear background sound that indicated Gates was shouting during the incident. Another voice can be heard in the background of at least three transmissions, but what the person is saying isn't intelligible.

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“So I grabbed my camera, because when you see police, you know something’s going on.’’

Something was.

Moments later, Carter snapped the only known photograph of a handcuffed Henry Louis Gates Jr. Carter said Gates was “agitated’’ as police led him off to face a charge of disorderly conduct.

“I had no idea who he was,’’ Carter said. “I just took one picture of him . . . and was on my way.’’

That photograph has made the media rounds, popping up on the Internet; on television, including CNN, NBC, and CBS; and in such newspapers as USA Today, The Washington Post, The Boston Globe, and the Guardian in England.

Jonathan Tepper, founder of Demotix, a citizen-journalist website that hosted and sold Carter’s photo, said he was surprised the image of Gates garnered such attention.

“I thought it was an interesting story. I knew who he was,’’ he said, “but I didn’t expect it to get as big as it did.’’

Thus far, the photo has earned over $4,000, said Carter, who will reap half of everything Demotix collects for its use.

After Carter took the photo, he showed it to his wife, who also didn’t recognize Gates. The weekend passed and the couple had forgotten about the episode, until late Monday night.

That evening, the couple’s street was lined with news vans, and they soon realized the significance of the image in his camera.

Carter found the Demotix website that night; the image went around the world the next morning.

The incident has been a point of discourse across the country, and Carter also has an opinion.

“I know he was tired and upset, but someone of his stature and education should be a little more understanding,’’ he said.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Dom...where did he lie?...surely you couldn't tell by that tape if anyone was yelling or asking for an ID?

Butch

Officer indicated in his report that the 911 caller said 2 black men were seen breaking in. The 911 dispatcher says 2 men with suitcases nothing about race. The officer also claims the 911 caller met him upon his arrival. The 911 caller denies this as well.

You can clearly hear Gates asking for the officer's ID during one of the radio calls, in a calm tone of voice and certainly not very loud.

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But Murphy, speaking on Whalen's behalf, says the only interaction between Whalen and Crowley occurred at the scene when she gestured to him and told him she was the 911 caller and he told her to stay where she was.

Another officer asked for her identification, but no officer interviewed her at the scene, Murphy says. Whalen stayed about five minutes and then left, Murphy says.

Murphy says Whalen does not want to reopen a debate or stir up controversy with the Cambridge police or with Gates. She says Whalen only wants to set the record straight because she's been wrongly accused of being a racist.

"She's been maligned and vilified and accused of racism and nothing could be further from the truth," Murphy says.

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The newspaper quotes Wendy Murphy, a lawyer for Lucia Whalen, as saying she only saw the backs of both men outside Gates' house and did not know their race. Murphy says Whalen works at a Harvard office about 100 yards from where Gates lives.

The Globe also says the Cambridge police commissioner confirms that account, although the police report says Whalen observed “what appeared to be two black males with backpacks on the front porch’’ of the house.

The commissioner tells the paper that the report was a summary of all information gained during the police inquiry, and not just the 911 call.

The incident sparked charges of racial profiling that mushroomed into a national debate after President Obama weighed in on the issue. The president has invited Gates and the officer to have a beer at the White House. That could happen as soon as this week, according to White House spokesman Robert Gibbs.

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Several times on the tape, Whalen says she is making the call for an older woman who lives in the neighborhood and is worried when she saw two men trying to barge into the house. Whalen describes the older woman as "a concerned neighbor."

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
She stepped to a man like a man, trying to use brute force to get her way. Thats testosterone driven in my book.

Step up to a man like a man and expect to be treated like a man.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Well the 911 call and the radio traffic between the officer and the dispatcher have been released.

Seems the officer lied in his report several times and Gates is heard in the background not yelling but is heard asking for the officers idnetifying information.

http://www.boston.com/

Maybe its just me. exactly at what point did you hear Gates asking for the ID? i have listened 5 times.

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One thing the tapes didn't show: any clear background sound that indicated Gates was shouting during the incident. Another voice can be heard in the background of at least three transmissions, but what the person is saying isn't intelligible.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/07/cambridge_polic_4.html

If you heard him asking for the Cop's ID, you are hearing things even reporters cant make out.

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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html

Per the arresting report, no mention of race was made until after he spoke to the Female caller. could she have changed her story once he got there? she claims not. we dont know for sure.

as far as Gates being upset... doesnt sound like it on the tape... but that tape didnt catch alot of the conversation.

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When we listen to the recording of dispatchers and Crowley we hear Gates in the background clearly annoyed and at one point saying "I want..!" His full statements cannot be heard because they only can be heard when Crowley is radioing in. It is clear from the tape though that whatever transpired in the house started early into the incident. From the time Crowley radios that he is coming to the time they are calling in "The Wagon." is 4 min 38 Seconds. That's not a long time. In fact Crowley does not get to the residence until a minute in.

From the radio call, Gates was clearly making noise prior to Crowley having asked the dispatch to verify a "Henry Louis Gates." Not 30 seconds into the arrival at the home of Gates and he's apparently laying into officer Crowley. 30 seconds (2:50 left) and Crowley has already radioed that "the gentleman" is being uncooperative. Note that he clearly has not had the time to get or confirm the ID of Gates. 15 seconds later Crowley asks for Harvard police. 30 Seconds later we can hear Gates still going at it and it's the first time we hear the officer ask to confirm Gates ID (time 2:15).

Gates may have had "bronchitis" but he clearly had no problem raising his voice. In the last minute after asking for confirmation of Gates ID, we have radio silence from Crowley. This must be where He and Gates get into whatever verbal altercation. This also confirms Crowley's report where he claimed to try to leave the residence because he was having difficulty communicating over the radio due to Gates behavior and the "acoustics" of the hallway.

I think these tapes resuscitates the reputation of Whalen while casting doubt on the motives of the unnamed woman whom initially saw Gates.

Oh and apparently what police call a man with a PhD (at least in this instance) is "gentleman."

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Gates on phone with Cornell West: Some cracker called the police on me! They still hate that I'm HNIC in here.


http://garveys-ghost.blogspot.com/2009/07/gates-story-is-fishy.html

as much as someone hated me for saying it before... it was the testosterone talkin'

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

So at first no one could hear Gates ask for ID now Tazzy quotes a reporter who did hear something, part of what I heard as well. So which is it? Is nothing intelligible on that tape or can gates be heard clearly? I'm listening to it again and he clearly says "I want <muffled by officer speaking>ication."