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ORIGINAL: Rule
Them Muslims practise penis mutilation, do not they? Then per my definition they are not Muslims, but Jews. They even profess to worship the same God as the Jews, instead of Allah as Mohammed was sent to admonish them to do.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
You may be mistaken on this point Rule. Here is a contradiction from Wiki. Please note that the reference to "sinful" behavior is as profoundly condemning as you can get in biblical terms. The denominations listed below are all quite Christian.

"Christian denominations hold a variety of views on the issue of homosexual activity, ranging from outright condemnation to complete acceptance. In accordance with the traditional values of Abrahamic religions,[1] most Christian denominations welcome people attracted to the same sex, but teach that same sex relationships and homosexual sex are sinful.[2][3] These denominations include the Roman Catholic Church,[4] the Eastern Orthodox church,[5] the Methodist Church,[6][2][7][8] and many other mainline denominations, such as the Reformed Church in America[9] and the American Baptist Church,[10] as well as Conservative Evangelical organizations and churches, such as the Evangelical Alliance,[11] and fundamentalist groups and churches, such as the Southern Baptist Convention.[12][13][14] Pentecostal churches such as the Assemblies of God,[15] as well as Restorationist churches, like Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons, also take the position that gay sexual activity is immoral.[16][17]"

I think the implication is that if one acts in a "sinful" manner one has fallen from Grace. I fail to understand your obsession with mutilated penises. Nor do I see how you can place homophobia solely upon Jews.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
I fail to understand your obsession with mutilated penises.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
Nor do I see how you can place homophobia solely upon Jews.

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ORIGINAL: Rule

I am a supergenius <SNIP> .

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ORIGINAL: Rule
Now, which populations according to you do not have mutilated penises but are homophobic?

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ORIGINAL: Rule

It is the gene pool (and the culture) that is affected, since owners of vagina's are part of gene pool and culture, yes they inevitably are affected.

Any change in phenotype - including behaviour - has evolutionary repercussions.

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
You may be mistaken on this point Rule. Here is a contradiction from Wiki. Please note that the reference to "sinful" behavior is as profoundly condemning as you can get in biblical terms. The denominations listed below are all quite Christian.

"Christian denominations hold a variety of views on the issue of homosexual activity, ranging from outright condemnation to complete acceptance. In accordance with the traditional values of Abrahamic religions,[1] most Christian denominations welcome people attracted to the same sex, but teach that same sex relationships and homosexual sex are sinful.[2][3] These denominations include the Roman Catholic Church,[4] the Eastern Orthodox church,[5] the Methodist Church,[6][2][7][8] and many other mainline denominations, such as the Reformed Church in America[9] and the American Baptist Church,[10] as well as Conservative Evangelical organizations and churches, such as the Evangelical Alliance,[11] and fundamentalist groups and churches, such as the Southern Baptist Convention.[12][13][14] Pentecostal churches such as the Assemblies of God,[15] as well as Restorationist churches, like Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons, also take the position that gay sexual activity is immoral.[16][17]"

I think the implication is that if one acts in a "sinful" manner one has fallen from Grace. I fail to understand your obsession with mutilated penises. Nor do I see how you can place homophobia solely upon Jews.

I am (nearly) never mistaken.

There is quite a difference between teaching and practicing.

It is very good that Christian churches teach that homosexuality is sinful. The essence of Christianity is that sexually transmitted diseases remain at a low frequency in the population, but do not become eradicated. If they taught that homosexuality was not sinful, then the frequency of sexually transmitted diseases would increase which would harm both the population and the gene pool as the effect of such diseases on the sexually selective mating behaviour of females would cease to have meaning.

It does not mean that homosexuals are not in a state of grace. By transmitting sex associated diseases they perform a function that is essential and beneficial to the health of the gene pool. Hurrah for homosexuals!

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
I fail to understand your obsession with mutilated penises.

I am a supergenius that got the best marks in biology in my class. I can tell you what a bacterium that is sitting on Mount Everest, drinking a pina colada, is thinking. Does that make it more comprehensible to you?

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
Nor do I see how you can place homophobia solely upon Jews.

It is simple: I have grasped the essence of what distinguishes a population with mutilated penises from a population without mutilated penises. The first population I call Jews, the second population I call non-Jews.

Now, which populations according to you do not have mutilated penises but are homophobic?

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ORIGINAL: Hierodule
Ummmm Allah and Yaweh are the same god.

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ORIGINAL: Hierodule
The god of Abraham who asked him to sacrifice his son. 

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ORIGINAL: Hierodule
It was the division between the son's of Abraham, Isaac (the legitimate son) and Ishmael (the son of adultery) that caused the split between Arabs (who were not yet Muslim) and Jews. The sons of Isaac becoming the Jews and the sons of Ishmael becoming the Arabs.

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ORIGINAL: Hierodule
Its ironic that the three religions in the world that do the most violence to each other are the three who also worship the same God. Two of which (Judaism and Islam) claim a common genetic ancestor (who may or may not have been a real historic figure) as the father of their race.

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ORIGINAL: Hierodule
"Judaism, Christianity and Islam are sometimes referred to as the "Abrahamic religions" because of the progenitor role Abraham plays in their holy books. In the Jewish tradition, he is called Avraham Avinu or "Abraham, our Father". God promised Abraham that through his offspring, all the nations of the world will come to be blessed (Genesis 12:3), interpreted in Christian tradition as a reference particularly to Christ. Jews, Christians, and Muslims consider him father of the people of Israel through his son Isaac (cf. Exodus 6:3, Exodus 32:13) by his wife Sarah. For Muslims, he is a prophet of Islam and the ancestor of Muhammad through his other son Ishmael – born to him by Sarah's servant, Hagar. (Jews and Christians refer to Hagar as Sarah's servant.) Abraham is also a progenitor of the Semitic tribes of the Negev who trace their descent from their common ancestor Sheba (Genesis 10:28)."

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
You're not a genius, rule. You are obssessed with a couple of completely cuckoo theories, that's all  .

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: Hierodule
Ummmm Allah and Yaweh are the same god.

Then why do they have different names? Duh! (I know that this question is not fair, but it is legitimate nevertheless.)

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ORIGINAL: Hierodule
The god of Abraham who asked him to sacrifice his son. 

Allah was not in power at that time. Besides, this sentence alone demonstrates that you do not know what you this event is about. (Not that anyone else except me does.)

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ORIGINAL: Hierodule
It was the division between the son's of Abraham, Isaac (the legitimate son) and Ishmael (the son of adultery) that caused the split between Arabs (who were not yet Muslim) and Jews. The sons of Isaac becoming the Jews and the sons of Ishmael becoming the Arabs.

You could do with a couple of courses in genetics. The Y chromosome has nearly no functional genes. Distinguishing populations by their Y chromosome is pointless. There have always been Arabs; in any case the Arab populations existed long before Abraham and Isaac.

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ORIGINAL: Hierodule
Its ironic that the three religions in the world that do the most violence to each other are the three who also worship the same God. Two of which (Judaism and Islam) claim a common genetic ancestor (who may or may not have been a real historic figure) as the father of their race.

You are wrong. The Jews and Muslims worship the god of the Jews. Mohammed worshipped Allah (an entirely different god). And the Christians worship Jesus, Joseph, Maria and the other New Testament crowd.

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ORIGINAL: Hierodule
"Judaism, Christianity and Islam are sometimes referred to as the "Abrahamic religions" because of the progenitor role Abraham plays in their holy books. In the Jewish tradition, he is called Avraham Avinu or "Abraham, our Father". God promised Abraham that through his offspring, all the nations of the world will come to be blessed (Genesis 12:3), interpreted in Christian tradition as a reference particularly to Christ. Jews, Christians, and Muslims consider him father of the people of Israel through his son Isaac (cf. Exodus 6:3, Exodus 32:13) by his wife Sarah. For Muslims, he is a prophet of Islam and the ancestor of Muhammad through his other son Ishmael – born to him by Sarah's servant, Hagar. (Jews and Christians refer to Hagar as Sarah's servant.) Abraham is also a progenitor of the Semitic tribes of the Negev who trace their descent from their common ancestor Sheba (Genesis 10:28)."

I say it ain't so. There!

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ORIGINAL: Rule

It is very good that Christian churches teach that homosexuality is sinful. The essence of Christianity is that sexually transmitted diseases remain at a low frequency in the population, but do not become eradicated. If they taught that homosexuality was not sinful, then the frequency of sexually transmitted diseases would increase which would harm both the population and the gene pool as the effect of such diseases on the sexually selective mating behaviour of females would cease to have meaning.

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ORIGINAL: Hierodule
The word NAZI comes to mind. They hated fags and their penises were intact.

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ORIGINAL: Hierodule
I'm sorry. I didn't know I was attempting to have a rational conversation with a lunatic.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: Rule
It is very good that Christian churches teach that homosexuality is sinful. The essence of Christianity is that sexually transmitted diseases remain at a low frequency in the population, but do not become eradicated. If they taught that homosexuality was not sinful, then the frequency of sexually transmitted diseases would increase which would harm both the population and the gene pool as the effect of such diseases on the sexually selective mating behaviour of females would cease to have meaning.

Would you kindly give us your citations that point to the understanding by the early churches of the germ theory of sexually transmitted diseases, on the relative frequency of sexually transmitted diseases homo v hetero, of the existence of a gene pool, of germ theory, and of the selective mating behavior of females in the first oh say ten centuries c.e. Citing your own imagined genius as a source is not acceptable for this exercise. Sorry. LMAO!

On second thought, Don't! I cannot laugh anymore today.

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ORIGINAL: Rule
It is the gene pool (and the culture) that is affected, since owners of vagina's are part of gene pool and culture, yes they inevitably are affected.

Any change in phenotype - including behaviour - has evolutionary repercussions.

Nooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!! Absolutely the wrong backassward interpretation of Darwin's theory. Gene mutations and sexual recombination lead to phenotype variations which may be or may not be advantageous in new environments. Good grief, man. Do not mutilate neoDarwinism.

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ORIGINAL: Rule
It is very good that Christian churches teach that homosexuality is sinful. The essence of Christianity is that sexually transmitted diseases remain at a low frequency in the population, but do not become eradicated. If they taught that homosexuality was not sinful, then the frequency of sexually transmitted diseases would increase which would harm both the population and the gene pool as the effect of such diseases on the sexually selective mating behaviour of females would cease to have meaning.

It does not mean that homosexuals are not in a state of grace. By transmitting sex associated diseases they perform a function that is essential and beneficial to the health of the gene pool. Hurrah for homosexuals!

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
The Catholic attitude towards contraception has more or less eliminated STDs in Africa, hasn't it?

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
The Catholic attitude towards contraception has more or less eliminated STDs in Africa, hasn't it?

I am optimistic about that. Once everybody who indiscriminately makes love to anything with two legs over there is dead, I guarantee that the incidence of sexually transmitted diseases in Africa will be quite low.

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ORIGINAL: Rule

Erhm, that was and is the entire purpose of the HIV biologic weapon, wasn't and isn't it?

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ORIGINAL: Rule

Erhm, that was and is the entire purpose of the HIV biologic weapon, wasn't and isn't it?