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ORIGINAL: Tebo

The term submission becomes a matter of perspective and in that context whatever one thinks it is is the right answer. For example, if I was to ask you to point up, most of us would look toward the sky and point in that direction. So the person standing on the north pole, are they more right or wrong than than one standing on the south pole, but they are in fact pointing in opposite directions, but still both pointing up.

Maybe the problem we has is the lack of definitive terms in this community and maybe in life in general. I submit hundreds of times a day. Give someone the right-of-way or open a door or relinquish my place in a que and on and on. Therefore I characterize submission as a choice and can change from time to time. So maybe the terms should go like this.

1. Submission with ulterior motive is not really submission. "Oh baby, I'll do whatever you want", so long it's what I want to do.
2. Sumission in and of itself, but there may be days you will submit and then possibly the next day not to the same thing.
3. Unconditional submission without mind but not mindlessly aka slavery.

I've come to learn and especially as this medium being the internet and CM specifically requires a higher level of honesty in "Say what you mean and mean what you say", therefore YOUR definition of expectation is much clearer. As an example, when I see 24/7, I assume this to be a livin-in situation, but there are some and maybe even most Dommes, that this means be avaliable 24/7. Doesn't make them wrong or vise-versa, just that without more information the expectation is not clear due to lack of defniition.

I don't read men's profiles, but I have noticed over time, more and more women are starting to be much more descriptive and this is what I believe the essence of the questions should be YourMistressDawn, it's unimportant what submission means to us, but rather what does it mean to you and what are your expectations.

Your profile is very clear OP and simple to understand. Men that fish with a specific purpose in mind will read profiles and respond appropriately. Yours is not my cup of tea, but at least I understand your needs. There is little you can do for the drift netters that just hope by sheer luck alone they will land something and you have to be inconvieinced by reading mindless dribble, not unlike the occasional response I get where a 20 something year old will tell me how great my profile is and we have so much in common and I should come to Yahoo Chat.

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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

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since the sub doesn't belong to you yet they may not feel they have to list how they would serve.

They may also not know enough about her to know how they are likely to be able to serve her. Dommes often write things such as "tell me how you would serve me", when realistically, a sub needs to know what the domme needs and wants before he can answer such a question properly. He can list his skills and things that he thinks she might like, but if he's truly interested in serving as she would like, that's just shooting in the dark.

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ORIGINAL: MsLeatherLace69

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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

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since the sub doesn't belong to you yet they may not feel they have to list how they would serve.

They may also not know enough about her to know how they are likely to be able to serve her. Dommes often write things such as "tell me how you would serve me", when realistically, a sub needs to know what the domme needs and wants before he can answer such a question properly. He can list his skills and things that he thinks she might like, but if he's truly interested in serving as she would like, that's just shooting in the dark.

I want to know what the sub's expectations are from submitting.  Unless we share expectations in common its unlikely the sub will remain content for very long doing it MY way. 

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Additionally there are very few service oriented people, who are happy to serve for nothing in return. To come to your house when you're absent and clean it for free and leave.

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

The problem lies in communicating.  If your dominance stems soley from an inborn desire to always get what you want in the way that you want it, then you aren't going to click with a submissive who is looking for a dominant who gets off on sexually dominating.  Neither is wrong... they are just wrong for each other.

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What does submissive mean to you?

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ORIGINAL: MsLeatherLace69

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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

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since the sub doesn't belong to you yet they may not feel they have to list how they would serve.

They may also not know enough about her to know how they are likely to be able to serve her. Dommes often write things such as "tell me how you would serve me", when realistically, a sub needs to know what the domme needs and wants before he can answer such a question properly. He can list his skills and things that he thinks she might like, but if he's truly interested in serving as she would like, that's just shooting in the dark.

I want to know what the sub's expectations are from submitting.  Unless we share expectations in common its unlikely the sub will remain content for very long doing it MY way. 

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I replied that if I came home at the end of the day, and found it necessary to chase her around the house with a flogger to get her to cook dinner, I would most likely kick her to the curb and order a pizza.

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ORIGINAL: YourMistressDawn

 I think the term "submissive" as been severely diluted by those who are seeking kinky sex and have no true understanding of female dominance and what it entails. 

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ORIGINAL: Smutmonger

It means she gets with MY program.