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RE: The natural power that women have over men... - 5/16/2010 3:49:30 AM

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That said, I was asking for your perception of things since your brought it up. If you don't feel comfortable discussing it or are simply not in the mood, then you can just say so.

I believe that's what "google is your friend" generally implies. I had a thought provoking exchange with Peon on the related subject matter, but once he found masturbation a better pastime, I concluded the thread derail had gone on long enough.

Well I believe that you were avoiding a question, which is fine. There are no obligations here.

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RE: The natural power that women have over men... - 5/16/2010 7:19:38 AM

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I'm a veteran of thread-derailing accusations, Marc, hence (partly) my wank comment. No offence meant.

No offense taken; it's all in good fun.

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RE: The natural power that women have over men... - 5/16/2010 7:19:50 AM

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Marc, I'm not familiar enough with Darwin's "emotional expression" to expand further on the subject. It's unfortunate as I'm sure we could have a thought provoking conversation about this. I will put it on my things to read list. In the meantime, would you be kind enough to expand further on this?

I think you've exposed him talking out his ass here. Cross examination is a beautiful thing.

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RE: The natural power that women have over men... - 5/16/2010 7:49:08 AM

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Marc, I'm not familiar enough with Darwin's "emotional expression" to expand further on the subject. It's unfortunate as I'm sure we could have a thought provoking conversation about this. I will put it on my things to read list. In the meantime, would you be kind enough to expand further on this?

I think you've exposed him talking out his ass here. Cross examination is a beautiful thing.

Well what I find odd is that this is a discussion board and someone proposes a concept to me but then refuses to elaborate on it. Instead I get a brush off to Google, which I did, but didn't find an analysis such as the one he was proposing, which actually would require me reading the work and trying to see if I come to the same conclusions myself. So I'm not going to jump to that conclusion as Marc has posted some intelligent things here, but I'd say his reaction could definitely lead someone to believe this.

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RE: The natural power that women have over men... - 5/16/2010 9:13:40 AM

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I think you've exposed him talking out his ass here. Cross examination is a beautiful thing.

Oh snap!

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RE: The natural power that women have over men... - 5/16/2010 9:16:50 AM

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Instead I get a brush off to Google, which I did, but didn't find an analysis such as the one he was proposing, which actually would require me reading the work and trying to see if I come to the same conclusions myself.

Ok, I'll bite.

Which "analysis" are you speaking of? My ethological / selfish gene exchange with Peon or the Darwinian roots to the concept of emotional intelligence?

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RE: The natural power that women have over men... - 5/16/2010 9:24:01 AM

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Instead I get a brush off to Google, which I did, but didn't find an analysis such as the one he was proposing, which actually would require me reading the work and trying to see if I come to the same conclusions myself.

Ok, I'll bite.

Which "analysis" are you speaking of? My ethological / selfish gene exchange with Peon or the Darwinian roots to the concept of emotional intelligence?

My original statement to you was "Marc, I'm not familiar enough with Darwin's "emotional expression" to expand further on the subject. It's unfortunate as I'm sure we could have a thought provoking conversation about this. I will put it on my things to read list. In the meantime, would you be kind enough to expand further on this?"

Honestly, I'm not here to force anyone into conversations. If you are interested in this discussion, than great. If not, seriously, it's not such a big deal. I had an interest in your perspective, not in a battle of wits ;-)

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RE: The natural power that women have over men... - 5/16/2010 11:06:33 AM

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My original statement to you was "Marc, I'm not familiar enough with Darwin's "emotional expression" to expand further on the subject. It's unfortunate as I'm sure we could have a thought provoking conversation about this. I will put it on my things to read list. In the meantime, would you be kind enough to expand further on this?"

So it's the latter footnote (not analysis) about EQ's roots then, of which I believe I answered by simply suggesting googling it. I cited source reading material, too, since it seems you're not too familiar with Darwin or the state of definitive / terminological / operational flux the term emotional intelligence tends to suffer (I gleaned this from your absolute use of the term).

In regards to your need for further discourse, you want me to explain the connection between Darwin's aforementioned title and theories of emotional intelligence, or even just explain emotional intelligence outright? With all due pardon, this sounds well within the reach of someone with functioning fingers and a pinch of intellectual curiosity.

Why not engage in some simple research of your own, free from being mantled in my words, then get back in the dialog?

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RE: The natural power that women have over men... - 5/16/2010 11:27:16 AM

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Obviously you are more interested in being a pompous ass than having an enlightening discussion.

ETA: I was genuinely curious about the link and figured you might share your knowledge with me, seeing as though it's a common thing here on CM to have people share knowledge.

But rather, you preferred to be condescending repeatedly for reasons which aren't obvious to me. Maybe you just plain don't like me and that's fine by me. But your rudeness was unprovoked. Maybe you need to go read your little books on emotional intelligence.

Moreover, insinuating that I'm daft is not only rude, but it's laughable.

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RE: The natural power that women have over men... - 5/16/2010 11:43:04 AM

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How about everyone get back to the topic at hand.

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RE: The natural power that women have over men... - 5/16/2010 12:05:54 PM

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Moreover, insinuating that I'm daft is not only rude, but it's laughable.

I was insinuating that I don't do your homework for you. You have links and sources to literature now as a result of this discussion.

Mod 21's suggestion isn't the first time it's been made in this thread, though I hope it will stick this time.

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RE: The natural power that women have over men... - 5/16/2010 12:12:10 PM

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Moreover, insinuating that I'm daft is not only rude, but it's laughable.

I was insinuating that I don't do your homework for you. You have links and sources to literature now as a result of this discussion.

Mod 21's suggestion isn't the first time it's been made in this thread, though I hope it will stick this time.

You are the one that brought this topic up and I asked you for your perspective. Oh the irony!

No worries to ModTwentyOne, I'm done with this guy on this thread.

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RE: The natural power that women have over men... - 5/16/2010 12:15:04 PM

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RE: The natural power that women have over men... - 5/16/2010 2:03:33 PM

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FR,

OK, to bring it sort of back to topic:

I've always wondered what happens to those women who *did once* believe that they have this 'natural power' over men, but don't any longer. Was there some trauma involved, or was there a slow realisation?

I ask this in relation to quite a depressing little TV documentary I saw a while ago. In this, a film crew interviewed various pole-dancers about their work. One of the women involved had left the job a couple of years before in order to have a baby. After her baby was some months, she'd taken up secretarial work to make ends meet. But they didn't. She couldn't earn a fraction of what she'd earned as a pole-dancer. So, she went back to each of her old clubs, one by one, seeking that work again.

The news was bad. As a result of having that baby and getting just a touch older, gaining just one or two more wrinkles - she couldn't get work. She was in a terrible state. She was crying tears of rage to the camera. But her bitterness wasn't just at not being able to make those great earnings she'd once made - they were also about shattered pride. This was one very, very vain woman who'd been used to a great deal of adulation. Now, all that had evaporated.

The most awful thing about the programme, for me, though, was the reaction of the club-owners. All of them, no matter that they were hardened, business-minded types, wriggled so desperately uncomfortably at saying 'No' to this woman. They wanted to give her any explanation other than 'Look, you don't have the youth anymore'. It reminded me so much of that line that's so often given about celebrities - society inflates them, like balloons, to bursting point - then sticks needles in them.

The same will happen to 'Goddesses'. I'd suggest that it's not a good idea for men to keep piling on that adulation, because it's not given responsibly. That is, it's not given with a care that price of it will one day have to be paid, in full. I guess it should go without saying that I don't think it's a good idea for women to swallow that guff without a big pinch of salt, either.

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RE: The natural power that women have over men... - 5/16/2010 3:02:56 PM

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This should make people think twice about spending money on a breast enhancement rather than tuition fees, shouldn't it. ;-)

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RE: The natural power that women have over men... - 5/16/2010 3:40:38 PM

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This should make people think twice about spending money on a breast enhancement rather than tuition fees, shouldn't it. ;-)

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It's funny you should mention that subject, LA. I was just thinking that when men talk about the 'natural power women have over men' - they're often actually talking about plastic rather than femininity, as such. That is, plastic-enhanced boobs, plastic in the lips, cheeks, nose; tops, skirts, trousers and boots with shiny plastic surfaces, bits of glittering paste jewellery . . . The women who have the most plastic on them, or in them, seem so often to be the ones who are held up as having that wondrous 'natural power of femininity'.

The 'natural power of plastic'. Doesn't have as good a ring, though.

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RE: The natural power that women have over men... - 5/16/2010 4:59:06 PM

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This should make people think twice about spending money on a breast enhancement rather than tuition fees, shouldn't it. ;-)

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It's funny you should mention that subject, LA. I was just thinking that when men talk about the 'natural power women have over men' - they're often actually talking about plastic rather than femininity, as such. That is, plastic-enhanced boobs, plastic in the lips, cheeks, nose; tops, skirts, trousers and boots with shiny plastic surfaces, bits of glittering paste jewellery . . . The women who have the most plastic on them, or in them, seem so often to be the ones who are held up as having that wondrous 'natural power of femininity'.

The 'natural power of plastic'. Doesn't have as good a ring, though.

Wow, was that directed at me? What a dick. I meant my post as to voice a fascinating observation on the natural effect of a woman's sexuality on men. And you're attacking me, with some crazy post that has nothing to do with anything? Shame on you.

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RE: The natural power that women have over men... - 5/16/2010 5:07:50 PM

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Wow, was that directed at me? What a dick. I meant my post as to voice a fascinating observation on the natural effect of a woman's sexuality on men. And you're attacking me, with some crazy post that has nothing to do with anything? Shame on you.

Please holster your revolver, SA - it wasn't at-all directed at you! It was a response to LA's post.

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RE: The natural power that women have over men... - 5/16/2010 5:10:41 PM

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Wow, was that directed at me?

I sincerely doubt it, especially given that he was talking to someone else.

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What a dick.

I can assure you that he really isn't.

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I meant my post as to voice a fascinating observation on the natural effect of a woman's sexuality on men. And you're attacking me, with some crazy post that has nothing to do with anything? Shame on you.

Seriously? Shame on him? Crazy? Defensive, much?

That wasn't an attack-it was a follow-up observation that the 'natural effect' you talk about in your 'fascinating observation' (if you say so) isn't always so natural-both sane and relevant...

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