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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/7/2010 7:32:38 PM   
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"If you were straight up Conservatives and Labor the partisanship would be honed to a finer point."

That is a large part of my point yes.

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/7/2010 7:34:10 PM   
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With the UK, most know full well what each party offers when they seek election is not what happens when they are in power, it is why party leaders vying for election state they have no plans to do something, it absolves them of going back on their word when it is they do something different from what it is believed by many they should be doing. In effect the political parties in the UK are very much the same as each other, so with that partisanship is fading fast. The old supporters of old parties are still there, but the parties have gone they have evolved into something unrecognisable as what they once were and with that, the old supporters may not even bother voting for they feel they are no longer represented. This was plain to see with the last government, Labour got in after years on Conservatism, only for the supporters to find Labour was not the friendly Labour of the past, the Labour supporters it is known felt cheated. I for one am only hoping those that voted for the Conservatives this time also end up feeling cheated, for that to me will indicate that what politics in Britain was, has evolved all round and with that many changes may come, progress even.

As it is, my views are not represented by neither Labour of Conservative, my true values in the last election only won control over the council in one town. When I voted, I voted for the most viable, but lesser of three evils. That party does in theory hold some governmental power  via it's alliance, but how much power it comes to wield is something to be found out in the future.

But the USA, it's almost hollywoodesque political process, all that razamatazz, maybe it is you are just caught up in the celebration of it all and there draw your sides, as if the whole spectacle was nothing more than a fairground amusement that mattered for the moment.


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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/7/2010 7:37:28 PM   
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Anti - partisanship is the new hate, huh?
 
Seriously, a bit of an emotional post. Nothing wrong with that, but it read like cuckoldmepls, and that's NEVER a good thing.
 
You also lost me paralleling funding health care and an unnecassary war. Plus you put the issues in the anti-lib component, and not calling out TP elements on the cons. Wow.
 
You read it carefully and it's got a partisanship all of it's own. When Obama starts a war in the wrong country to make his buddies richer, we will get back to the comparison.


Ditto.

I`ll add that democracy can be messy and loud.

It`s not for everyone.

But when good men(and women) do and say nothing,bad men(and woman)are enabled.Some even get away with treason and murder.

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/7/2010 7:45:14 PM   
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But the USA, it's almost hollywoodesque political process, all that razamatazz, maybe it is you are just caught up in the celebration of it all and there draw your sides, as if the whole spectacle was nothing more than a fairground amusement that mattered for the moment.


When Andrew Jackson was elected the White House was thrown open to the common man for a drunken celebration. Did not work out to well. They wrecked the place.

Actually, the campaign never ends; we just slide right into the next one.

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/7/2010 7:51:44 PM   
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I don't really believe the UK is any different when it come to partisan politics.

Butch




We certainly have partisan politics (anywhere with multiple parties will, by definition)...but fuck no it's not like the usa. Only the treatment of the BNP even comes close in its hatred.



Yeh, but you guys don't spend as much money per election cycle as we do. To the victor go the spoils, yanno.


Is that right though, those who spend the most money to lure in the voters get the spoils, it seems very much to me that one can only seek a position of power in the US if they have money, those without never mind how good their message is, they dont stand a chance, is that in all actuality democratic ? Perhaps the spending of vast sums on election campaigns could be seen as akin to bribery, the more the spectacle, the razzamatazz, the more likely it is to lure in the power enabler, the dum voter who cant see they are being had.


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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/7/2010 7:55:10 PM   
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Is that right though, those who spend the most money to lure in the voters get the spoils, it seems very much to me that one can only seek a position of power in the US if they have money, those without never mind how good their message is, they dont stand a chance, is that in all actuality democratic ? Perhaps the spending of vast sums on election campaigns could be seen as akin to bribery, the more the spectacle, the razzamatazz, the more likely it is to lure in the power enabler, the dum voter who cant see they are being had.


Sadly, tis true, and the campaign never ends, so the need for money is perpetual. Congressmen are elected every two years and so spend much of their tenure seeking campaign funds. Oh, it is fucking corrupted.

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/7/2010 8:12:02 PM   
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My mother used to say you can knock on a deaf man's door all you want, he won't answer it.

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/7/2010 8:49:21 PM   
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I don't really believe the UK is any different when it come to partisan politics.

Butch




We certainly have partisan politics (anywhere with multiple parties will, by definition)...but fuck no it's not like the usa. Only the treatment of the BNP even comes close in its hatred.



Are you kidding? The Senate is just learning its imitation of Parliament.

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/7/2010 8:52:15 PM   
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My mother used to say you can knock on a deaf man's door all you want, he won't answer it.
What does this have to do with anything????

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/7/2010 9:38:18 PM   
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FR...

I generally agree with the OP on many issue BUT...

President Bush's face morphed as a chimp...parody, bad taste maybe, kinda funny from certain standpoint too. President Obama face morphed into a chimp, vile, biggoted parody bordering on racism and depending on the intent, out right racism. If you cannot see why, then you should really go back and read about such cartooning. Look at the English cartoons against the Irish in the 1800's, American cartoons against, Blacks in the 1800's and early to mid 1900's , German cartoons against Jews in the Mid 1900's and Arab cartoons agains Jews in the late 1900's throughs the early 2000's

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/7/2010 9:57:42 PM   
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Sorry, but Bush looks like a chimp. I suppose we could blame his parents, but his father wasn't nearly as homely, and he looks nothing like his mother....

Obama looks nothing like a chimp

I have seen photos of Obama in an inappropriate way pictured as an African witchdoctor, complete with bone in his nose. THIS is racist. I am sorry if you cannot see the difference between calling white middle aged recovering addict burn out a "chimp" because he cannot seem to hold his facial muscles in a way that resembles that of a person with ordinary intellect and calling a black man a witchdoctor in a parody of Africans...

I know it is hard to see the difference if you do not want to, but it is really really apparent if you try just a little

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/7/2010 10:03:33 PM   
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Obama looks nothing like a chimp



Nothing you say can ever be taken seriously again.

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/7/2010 10:03:48 PM   
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I am not a partisan, but I do have an agenda

If having agendas bugs you, then you must spend most of your life irritated. I have a little advice, just a small teeny bit for you, you need to follow your own advice and take a pill because you are the one who created a thread full of "F" bombs. You also have your own opinions, your own agenda, which I am sure you think is "right". There is nothing wrong with that, but it makes you a hypocrite when you deride others for what you are guilty of...

Less resistance and pushing back against that which bugs us is a recipe for more happiness... still working on that one for myself, but I am making some strides


I have no problem with people who have a consistent agenda. It's the people who judge solely based on whether the person is D or R that bother me

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 12:11:40 AM   
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NOT FR, replying directly to the OP now. I read a few replies and I don't think y'all get it.

Here it is. My EKG wasn't all that good and I have alot of problems. But I want to say that it is not getting me down. But I realize that I must reveal more because I am not expecting to live to 100.

It boils down to this. Humans who have not been taught the right ethics have certain tendencies. One of them is to blame their problems on someone else. First of all anyone who sits their ass in the big chair in the oval office is Jew certified and welfare approved. That is the way it is. Big money runs this government and there is one thing people don't understand. It is that WE SUPPLY THAT MONEY. They are a bunch of greedy motherfuckers, and they do not care about us at all except to appear to at election time. This game is not that hard to figure out people. If you are over thirty you know this or are an asshole.

But let me take it to the next level. We, the assholes that buy DVDs for ninety bucks, really coool video games for about that, and the machines to run them and the junk fucking plasma TVs on which to play them are the real assholes. A few years ago they almost outlawed plasma TVs in the EU. I know why but fuck it I don't have all day.

None of you, and I mean none of you, even if you make a million bucks a year can understand this it seems. So I am going to be blunt and to the point. The people who really run the world are real motherfuckers. All of our politicians are nothing but figureheards, except a few. They have already been bought and paid for before you ever heard their fucking name. Do you fucking understand this ?

I mean that no matter who gets elected the same shit is going to happen. Obama was the biggest proof to me lately but really, I already knew. I did not expect much and guess what I got. What people do not understand is that this is a class war. Now how the fuck do you fight a war when you don't even know what it's all about ?

All the people on this board with their partisan bullshit, saying it's Bush's fault or Obamas faul, or even going back to Clinton's fault and shit like that are bumfucking idiots. The same shit was going to happen anyway. The President of the US is not much more than a TV news anchorman. You got that ? I know what I said.

I have outlined somewhat a plan to fix this and the thread is buried. Nobody has any ideas. There is one, and only one way to break this thing down and take our power back, the power of the people. I am not wasting keystrokes to type it again, especially when some people want to use my own words against me. It is so simple, and if we start before the really big crash we can come out ahead, at least of others. But it requires a few things.

Among them are hard work and sacrifice. As long as you sheeple need those new SUVs every year, and that new quarter million dollar house that later you find is built with styrofoam, and those plasma TVs that break down in a year, you are feuling what is called the economy. You think that's a good thing, but it is not.

When "they" say the economy is better it has nothing to do with our well being, only their's. Do you understand ? Do you fucking get it that these people are not your friends ? See that is the problem. You Bush lovers saw George all happy and joking, saying "as long as I am the dictator" and cheered him on. You saw Clinton, and you either wanted to see him fall for getting a blowjob at work or thought he should just skate on that isssue. You saw Nixon and the Watergate deal and you probably said "Kill the motherfucker" but you don't realize that what he did was done every day by every other politician in the country. Caught ? Caught my ass, they get caught alot and you just don't hear about it, just like the judge is not going to hear about my other three tickets when I go to court. Youse people need to get a better grasp on how life really works.

It is a nasty and filthy game. It is played mainly by people who could buy any of us with pocket change. I have tried, and will continue to try to tell you how this is. I understand them, I know how they are. And they don't care about us at all, never did and never will. In the words of Amsel Rothchild "I care not who......" is elected or whatever. Well neither do I. It doesn't matter.

Now to the next level if anyone can understand it at all.

Why would you bother to form a government in the first place ?

Think about that my friends and it may occur to you. You may become enlightened. Why ? It has alot to do with human nature of course, but explore that question in your own mind. Explore a fake world where no politicians are allowed to have any money at all. Now what is their goal ? Do you understand what I am saying ?

Power over others. One of the most sickening traits I have seen in homosapiens in my life. I thought we were different, that we were better. Not only did we stop running around in packs like wolves, those of us more advanced do not even run with gangs. We think we have a soul, but ignore it on a daily basis. I told you it was not all their fault.

But if we have to kill them so be it. They are just taking too much. Motherfuckers never worked a day in their lives and I have to pay them ? FUCK YOU. I have not bought anything new that I just wanted in a decade, I have avoided spending money like the plague. I do not want their cars, bars, guitars and TVs. I don't want their new houses with the steel studs and the Chinese drywall. I don't want any of their shit and the only things in this house less than ten years old are computers. As far as I know anyway. I wil not support their money addiction and the only way I can do that is to stop buying.

You too.

T

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 1:39:45 AM   
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Youse people need to get a better grasp on how life really works.

It is a nasty and filthy game. It is played mainly by people who could buy any of us with pocket change. I have tried, and will continue to try to tell you how this is. I understand them, I know how they are. And they don't care about us at all, never did and never will. In the words of Amsel Rothchild "I care not who......" is elected or whatever. Well neither do I. It doesn't matter.

Now to the next level if anyone can understand it at all.

T




We need more of this type of clear thinking.

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 2:36:16 AM   
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I don't really believe the UK is any different when it come to partisan politics.

Butch


There is a big difference in one way though Butch. We have the Liberal Democrats, while they are a left leaning party, they are right of the Labour party. This allows a third choice that doesnt exist in the US. You guys are stuck with either or. Even so you are correct, the majority of Labour/Conservative voters wouldnt vote for the other party.

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 2:46:12 AM   
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Illegal immigration - Lots of people are against it. Lots of those people are against it for selfish reasons. They have seen their parents factory jobs outsourced and have a very real conception that foreign labor willing to do work at shit pay is going to outsource them at home too. You, the internet politico, do not have to deal with these fears, and you don't really care about the lower class Americans OR the Mexicans, because if you did, you might work to reconcile the two, rather than trying to turn it into a racial issue. It might be a racial issue for you, for the people it actually affects it's an economic issue.


Elisabella, I think suggesting everyone who debates online belongs to some sort of political elite is miles from the truth. The majority on here are, I would guess, just ordinary everday folk. To suggest people dont care is both arrogant and crass.

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 4:07:35 AM   
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Elisabella, I think suggesting everyone who debates online belongs to some sort of political elite is miles from the truth. The majority on here are, I would guess, just ordinary everday folk. To suggest people dont care is both arrogant and crass.


Meh, the amount of times I've read "illegal immigrants do the jobs that Americans don't want to do" would say otherwise, considering there are probably millions of Americans who work in factories, meat packing plants, etc, who hunt meat to feed their families, who will switch jobs to one that pays them 15 cents more an hour, who save up for years to take out a loan on getting a $70k trailer home....yeah I do think that your idea of "everyday folk" does not overlap with the "everyday folk" who actually would take those jobs if they paid a decent wage.

"Americans won't do those jobs" translates to "my suburban friends won't do those jobs" in this case.

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 4:21:49 AM   
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My mother used to say you can knock on a deaf man's door all you want, he won't answer it.
What does this have to do with anything????


Well I think the OP was describing the hate on the boards between the left and the right, and several people seem to have missed that point. So maybe his statement is describing this thread. Personally I think the OP nailed it pretty good on both sides.


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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 5:38:12 AM   
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Feel better now Elisabella?

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