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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 5:40:24 AM   
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My mother used to say you can knock on a deaf man's door all you want, he won't answer it.
What does this have to do with anything????


Well I think the OP was describing the hate on the boards between the left and the right, and several people seem to have missed that point. So maybe his statement is describing this thread. Personally I think the OP nailed it pretty good on both sides.



Hard to catch the point when the OP is so full of hatred itself.

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 5:42:11 AM   
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Obama looks nothing like a chimp



Nothing you say can ever be taken seriously again.


Will you compliment me like that too?

Please,please,please.....pretty please........

Now I`m jealous of Julia.


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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 5:45:52 AM   
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I don't really believe the UK is any different when it come to partisan politics.

Butch


There is a big difference in one way though Butch. We have the Liberal Democrats, while they are a left leaning party, they are right of the Labour party. This allows a third choice that doesnt exist in the US. You guys are stuck with either or. Even so you are correct, the majority of Labour/Conservative voters wouldnt vote for the other party.

The libdems were right of labour back in the '80s and '90s, but I'm not sure that's still the case. Labour moved a long way to the right under Blair. Even since the formation of the brokeback coalition (I do really like that one, even if it was Davis who came up with it) and Clegg abandoning everything his party is supposed to stand for the libdems could still be seen as slightly to the left of "New labour". Pity Cameron's gimp doesn't have the balls to do anything about that, really, but perhaps labour will move back to the left a bit once thy finally appoint a new leader. I'm not holding my breath waiting, though.

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 6:15:42 AM   
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Facts are the best arbiter of political disputes. When I look at the posters, I mainly like to see how they respond to facts and information.

Comparative analysis is also very helpful. I also enjoy the rotten tomato fights too (to a point.)

If I were to be critical of your post here -- you posit illegal immigrants as a talking point -- and then your analysis boils down to some people like it and others don't. Really! How empty is that -- in terms of taking any kind of step forward?

As for Bush and Obama being chimps: the knock on Bush was his stupidity, lack of worldliness, poor English, frat boy white house, and inability to lead.

The general knock on Obama is that he is an egg head and deliberative policy wonk.

So, chimp does not really fit Obama, but something else might reflect this criticism.

Thoughtful, fact based, and satirical criticisms -- I have generally found -- are well regarded here -- and I appreciate those observations a lot.

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 6:20:05 AM   
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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 6:34:34 AM   
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Thing is there are no conservatives in Washington. Conservsatives don't start these wars or at the very least get out of Afghan...once they know that Bin Laden was marginalized which he was and soon. Real conservatives who cared more for this country would have known if they had cared to know that the Taliban did NOT want to attack America.

There are no fiscal conservatives in Washington as all have far too good a time with spending money borrowed in our name...for wars, for corp. welfare, for an every increasing def. & CIA budgets all of which continues to be $billion thrown down the drain.

Then there is the outlandish hypocrisy of the right, putting in polices they denigrated for decades, big govt deficit spenders, railing at strawmen that don't exist and violating their own self-proclaimed social conservatism being and living the life as Washington elites they themselves denigrate.

No TV partiers back when all of this started in 2002 but now we get them thanx to Fox...are really tottally without any real political standing now.

The right in this country have a definitely non-conservative agenda when it suits them.



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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 6:52:17 AM   
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Feel better now Elisabella?


Fuck yes.

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 6:59:04 AM   
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If I were to be critical of your post here -- you posit illegal immigrants as a talking point -- and then your analysis boils down to some people like it and others don't. Really! How empty is that -- in terms of taking any kind of step forward?


IDC what people's solution to the problem is so long as they have one. For real. I mean yeah I might disagree about the solution but it wouldn't get me ragey like this. The rage comes from reading posts about illegal immigration that boil down to "well you just don't like Mexicans, now do you?" And those posts only come from one side.

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As for Bush and Obama being chimps: the knock on Bush was his stupidity, lack of worldliness, poor English, frat boy white house, and inability to lead.

The general knock on Obama is that he is an egg head and deliberative policy wonk.

So, chimp does not really fit Obama, but something else might reflect this criticism.

Thoughtful, fact based, and satirical criticisms -- I have generally found -- are well regarded here -- and I appreciate those observations a lot.


Meh "chimp" isn't really that clever. It would be like if I started calling Obama "the bitch" because he's not a war hawk.

If people don't like Obama they can trash him, I don't care. This isn't about which side is "right" because I don't think either side is right, or making themselves look good. Seriously. I'm neither a Democrat nor a Republican. To me the only thing worse than the Democrat touchy feely state is the fascist theocracy the Repubs want to push. The point of my post was that at least on this forum, both sides really don't stand for anything other than dislike of the other side.

Check out all the "the other party did something bad" threads, check out all the "liberals/conservatives did something bad" threads, and compare them to the threads that are active, proud support of a bill that their own party is trying to pass.

Capisci?

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 7:28:08 AM   
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It doesn`t work like that.

It never did.

About the closest the parties came was just after 9/11.

But then......well then....well you know the history.

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 8:06:54 AM   
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There are no fiscal conservatives in Washington as all have far too good a time with spending money borrowed in our name...for wars, for corp. welfare, for an every increasing def. & CIA budgets all of which continues to be $billion thrown down the drain.


Indeed. All the partisan nonsense is just noise- politics degraded to the level of sports rivalry. The teams are even broken down into red vs. blue so you can accessorize!

At the end of the day the teams are irrelevant, because they push the same product +/- 5%.

The true force of destruction is greed. The tort lawyers and insurance companies that churn trillions of dollars while stifling innovation and creating nearly insurmountable costs to enter certain industries.  The executives gutting the companies they've been chosen to run in the name of short-term profit. The high-stakes gamblers on Wall Street with all their pyramid schemes. These are the pressures that shape and guide our politicians, whichever team they're on. Short-term gain for the few.


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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 9:06:15 AM   
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Feel better now Elisabella?


Fuck yes.
Good deal.  That's what it's all about. Unless it really is all about the hokey pokey.

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 9:39:58 AM   
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. The point of my post was that at least on this forum, both sides really don't stand for anything other than dislike of the other side.

Check out all the "the other party did something bad" threads, check out all the "liberals/conservatives did something bad" threads, and compare them to the threads that are active, proud support of a bill that their own party is trying to pass.

Capisci?


No. Those threads are predominantly started by a very small group of protagonists. You're pretty much falling into the same trap that you argue against - that 'we' are on one side or the other on every issue.
 
I stand for what I stand for. The substance of what it is, is WAY more important than my opinion of those who may oppose it.
 
Partisanship isn't at the core of whatever you think is wrong, it's just a symptom, and not the worse one. We live in a structure of civilization (competitive, territorial) that by it's very definition fosters division - politically, economically, socially.

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 9:49:02 AM   
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Meh "chimp" isn't really that clever. It would be like if I started calling Obama "the bitch" because he's not a war hawk.

Weren't people saying that about Kerry back in '04? I remember seeing some pretty ugly footage from the big Republican convention.

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 9:51:48 AM   
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Obama looks nothing like a chimp



Nothing you say can ever be taken seriously again.


Will you compliment me like that too?

Please,please,please.....pretty please........

Now I`m jealous of Julia.



Yanno, I expected them to pick up on me stating Bush looks like a chimp, I did not expect them to attack the fact Obama doesn't look like a chimp...

Bush's chimpness comes not from his actual appearance, but his inability to hold his visage in anything resembling an intelligent manner. Watching him speak reminds me of my time as a bartender when I would see heavy drinkers articulate their thoughts...

Obama knows how to hold his face in an intelligent manner.... I especially love the look he gets when someone derelict (like that congressman from SC that yelled "you lie!" during a state of the union speech) speaks out of turn. It is so dominant, that look he gets.... but I am just a sucker for a dominant sort of man that is brilliant

Doesn't mean I support is policies, because I am starting to think Obama is not much of an improvement over the last guy... other than I can stomach watching him speak

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 10:27:09 AM   
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Meh "chimp" isn't really that clever. It would be like if I started calling Obama "the bitch" because he's not a war hawk.

Weren't people saying that about Kerry back in '04? I remember seeing some pretty ugly footage from the big Republican convention.


I remember reports refering to him as "French looking" but not as a bitch.

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 10:55:20 AM   
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As usual this thread is meandering into the abyss. Now we got which President looks like a chimp. Fuck it just elect a chimp next time, things will still happen as planned. YOU HEARD ME - PLANNED. Now someone wants to talk about illegal immigration. What the fuck do I care. If they picked my corn for three bucks an hour, good. They can't do my job.

If you are so lacking in skills that you are competing against illegal immigrants for a job, you obviously have not taken advantage of our educational system, as poor as it may be. But there are two kinds os Mexicans who come here. The extremely poor who work picking cotton or some shit, and those who come to sell drugs. The ones who sell drugs buy our gasoline, stay in our motels, go to our bars. WTF is wrong with that ? Aren't we supposed to encourage tourism ? And then the ones who work for three bucks an hour are not taking away the jobs we want.

Our fat lazy asses want jobs for twenty bucks an hour sweeping the floor with places to hide and sleep. Plus we want our buddies to punch us in if we are late or absent so we get paid for nothing. GET IT DOWN YOUR THROATS, WE ARE THE PROBLEM. And we are so self centered that we don't have the solidarity to boycott arsenic sandwiches.

Each of us causes 90% of our own problems, and when you get millions of people doing it at the same time, this is what happens. We have allowed the creation of a huge mess people and each and every one of us is going to have to grab a broom. And there ain't no twenty bucks an hour. Until and unless we get started we will never succeed. And as long as continue to bicker about who caused the problem, it will not get solved.

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 10:58:14 AM   
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Now we got which President looks like a chimp. Fuck it just elect a chimp next time, things will still happen as planned.





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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 11:00:17 AM   
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NOT FR, replying directly to the OP now. I read a few replies and I don't think y'all get it.

Here it is. My EKG wasn't all that good and I have alot of problems. But I want to say that it is not getting me down. But I realize that I must reveal more because I am not expecting to live to 100.

It boils down to this. Humans who have not been taught the right ethics have certain tendencies. One of them is to blame their problems on someone else. First of all anyone who sits their ass in the big chair in the oval office is Jew certified and welfare approved. That is the way it is. Big money runs this government and there is one thing people don't understand. It is that WE SUPPLY THAT MONEY. They are a bunch of greedy motherfuckers, and they do not care about us at all except to appear to at election time. This game is not that hard to figure out people. If you are over thirty you know this or are an asshole.

But let me take it to the next level. We, the assholes that buy DVDs for ninety bucks, really coool video games for about that, and the machines to run them and the junk fucking plasma TVs on which to play them are the real assholes. A few years ago they almost outlawed plasma TVs in the EU. I know why but fuck it I don't have all day.

None of you, and I mean none of you, even if you make a million bucks a year can understand this it seems. So I am going to be blunt and to the point. The people who really run the world are real motherfuckers. All of our politicians are nothing but figureheards, except a few. They have already been bought and paid for before you ever heard their fucking name. Do you fucking understand this ?

I mean that no matter who gets elected the same shit is going to happen. Obama was the biggest proof to me lately but really, I already knew. I did not expect much and guess what I got. What people do not understand is that this is a class war. Now how the fuck do you fight a war when you don't even know what it's all about ?

All the people on this board with their partisan bullshit, saying it's Bush's fault or Obamas faul, or even going back to Clinton's fault and shit like that are bumfucking idiots. The same shit was going to happen anyway. The President of the US is not much more than a TV news anchorman. You got that ? I know what I said.

I have outlined somewhat a plan to fix this and the thread is buried. Nobody has any ideas. There is one, and only one way to break this thing down and take our power back, the power of the people. I am not wasting keystrokes to type it again, especially when some people want to use my own words against me. It is so simple, and if we start before the really big crash we can come out ahead, at least of others. But it requires a few things.

Among them are hard work and sacrifice. As long as you sheeple need those new SUVs every year, and that new quarter million dollar house that later you find is built with styrofoam, and those plasma TVs that break down in a year, you are feuling what is called the economy. You think that's a good thing, but it is not.

When "they" say the economy is better it has nothing to do with our well being, only their's. Do you understand ? Do you fucking get it that these people are not your friends ? See that is the problem. You Bush lovers saw George all happy and joking, saying "as long as I am the dictator" and cheered him on. You saw Clinton, and you either wanted to see him fall for getting a blowjob at work or thought he should just skate on that isssue. You saw Nixon and the Watergate deal and you probably said "Kill the motherfucker" but you don't realize that what he did was done every day by every other politician in the country. Caught ? Caught my ass, they get caught alot and you just don't hear about it, just like the judge is not going to hear about my other three tickets when I go to court. Youse people need to get a better grasp on how life really works.

It is a nasty and filthy game. It is played mainly by people who could buy any of us with pocket change. I have tried, and will continue to try to tell you how this is. I understand them, I know how they are. And they don't care about us at all, never did and never will. In the words of Amsel Rothchild "I care not who......" is elected or whatever. Well neither do I. It doesn't matter.

Now to the next level if anyone can understand it at all.

Why would you bother to form a government in the first place ?

Think about that my friends and it may occur to you. You may become enlightened. Why ? It has alot to do with human nature of course, but explore that question in your own mind. Explore a fake world where no politicians are allowed to have any money at all. Now what is their goal ? Do you understand what I am saying ?

Power over others. One of the most sickening traits I have seen in homosapiens in my life. I thought we were different, that we were better. Not only did we stop running around in packs like wolves, those of us more advanced do not even run with gangs. We think we have a soul, but ignore it on a daily basis. I told you it was not all their fault.

But if we have to kill them so be it. They are just taking too much. Motherfuckers never worked a day in their lives and I have to pay them ? FUCK YOU. I have not bought anything new that I just wanted in a decade, I have avoided spending money like the plague. I do not want their cars, bars, guitars and TVs. I don't want their new houses with the steel studs and the Chinese drywall. I don't want any of their shit and the only things in this house less than ten years old are computers. As far as I know anyway. I wil not support their money addiction and the only way I can do that is to stop buying.

You too.

T


Caustic partisanship has been artfully engineered by the elite power to help keep the masses divided and gridlocked. The controlled mainstream media spoon feeds us information to fuel our division, leading us around by our emotional noses with ease, and keeping us focused on one grain of sand after another while they steal the world out from underneath us.

Of *course* it's a class war, but this basic fact seems to escape the vast majority, probably to the degree that the OP suggests; around 90%.

However, I wouldn't advocate for everyone to stop buying. The monetary system would quickly fall into a contraction far more severe than that of the Great Depression, which would lead to unprecedented suffering by the people. Implementing such a manuever would require organization and preparedness of a degree from which we are far removed.

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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 12:18:21 PM   
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IMO,the divisions aren`t left/right.



They are consumer vs corporate,labor vs management and polluter vs airbreather.



Those who champion consumers,the working stiff,the middle class and working poor get my vote.



Those who champion corporations and Wallstreet,Massey Energy and BP get my piss.


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RE: Your stupid partisan bullshit is the cancer that's ... - 8/8/2010 12:28:41 PM   
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You're certainly entitled to your opinions. However, I have two questions for you:

Do you think the endless OPs which point out "bad" things that "the other team" did help solve the underlying problem, or perpetuate it?

If one reads an OP, and immediately feels anger and an urge to piss back at the poster, do you feel that he/she is a part of the solution or a part of the problem?



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