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ORIGINAL: GreySaber

It is a myth is there are multiple types of orgasm. There aren’t. There is only one orgasm, and multiple sensations. You see, Freud started a myth about a clitoral and a vaginal orgasm when he started interviewing women over their sex lives. He found there seemed to be too types, the clitoral and the vaginal. He labeled the first immature, since it was more reported by younger unmarried
women, and the second mature, since it was more often reported by older ‘experienced’ women. The younger women were rubbing their clits and the older ones were having sex. IT's really silly that this myth has susvived this long. let me restate this, rubbing your clit until you cum is a clitoral orgasm, having sex until you cum is a vaginal orgasm.





But before I hear someone objecting wildly, read the next section very carefully.





To understand why this myth is both pervasive and why there is only one orgasm, you must first understand what an orgasm actually is. An orgasm is the combination of certain flares of brain activity, which we will ignore for our immediate purposes, AND a physical spasm in the genitals. This spasm is of the Pubococcygeus Muscles. 

Do not try to pronounce that, you’ll only hurt yourself. Cut it down to PC muscles for safety.


Now, first you have to understand that the basic human organism is female. Add certain hormones and you get the development of a male. The clitoris becomes the penis, the ovaries descend and become testacies, the G-spot becomes the prostate, (Or so we currently believe, this isn’t medically proven as yet.) The labia fuse and become the scrotum. 

Now, the discovery of the G-spot threw more fuel on the fires of the myths of the two, or three, or ten orgasms. Everyone starts wondering how to have each type, are they having the right ‘mature’ ones…. Are they having any at all? The gpsot is inside, maybe it’s causing the vaginal orgasm? You start to hear of things called gspot orgasms and even breast orgasms. 

Now, since we know the basic organism is female, and we know that most of the parts exist for each in wildly differing shapes, we also know that both males and females have the Pubococcygeus Muscles. These muscles are around the outside of whichever tube you happen to have, be it a penis or a vagina. It is when these muscles have a spasm, that you have an orgasm. And how that orgasm is stimulated does not matter, it is the spasm that is the orgasm (Well, the spasm and the brain activity, but the brain activity doesn’t change much under monitors either, though it surely varies from person to person.)  The spasm can be stimulated by damn near anything in some lucky people. But it is still the spasm that is the orgasm. Without the spasm there is no orgasm. (Though if you have something you thought was one, but isn't, and if you like doing it, by all mean keep doing it.)


In men, there isn’t too much variety in the SPASM, but women have the potential to have that tube full OR empty. If it’s empty, the muscles spasm against nothing, but if it’s full, they have something to push against, leading to sensations that are distinctly different! But the actual thing that is happening is just the same.  

And the orgasm is the same whether regardless of where the stimulation comes from, or the sensations received as an end result. So there isn’t a gspot orgasm, or a clitoral orgasm, or a vaginal orgasm. There is just an orgasm, and some interesting sensations based on what happens to be getting touched. That’s not to say those places aren’t interesting TO touch, but to recognize that what ends up happening is a certain set of physical actions. That way you see what’s going on so you don’t clutter the place with terms that lack meaning.  


It’s VERY worth noting that weakness in the Pubococcygeus Muscles is the primary cause for frigidity among women. If these muscles are too weak to spasm, you won’t get an orgasm no matter how hard you try. It is absolutely necessary that these muscles be functional if you desire to have an orgasm. And the stronger they are, the stronger the orgasm. It would be like trying to sneeze without a diaphram. IF you can't push air out of your lungs, you can't sneeze.

Dr. Kegal discovered this when he assigned a set of excersizes to some old ladies who were becoming incontinent. They came back with some very interesting stories about changes happening ‘down there.’ The Pubococcygeus Muscles are also the ones you use if you wish to stop urinating. To find them and squeeze them you must urinate, and stop the flow of the stream. Once you do this, these muscles are identified to you, and you can squeeze them as much as you want, thus building strength. Weak PC muscles may prevent you from being able to ‘hold it.’



EDIT, The PC muscles extend around the anal sphincter, thus leading to the 'ass gasm' as it is sometimes called. 

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ORIGINAL: GreySaber
The orgasm is an involentary responce to a stimulus, like when the doctor hits your knee and your leg jerks. Or when you sneeze.
A sneeze is pretty much the same thing reguardless of how you happen to get it. Dust up your nose, you sneeze, red pepper up your nose? You sneeze, but it hurts like hell and burns. Feather up your nose? You get tickled and sneeze. But the involentary reaction is exactly the same reguardless of what stimulus produces the reaction.

The same is true of the orgasm.

So try as many stimulus as you can think of, and see what sensatory effects you can achieve! But don't classify them as different kinds of orgasm. That's unscientific.

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ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

Funny reading all these women talking about their body as if it is the only one and all react the same.  Women's bodies (and men's) are all different, they all react differently.  I have known women who's clitoris need to be given heavy attention for a very very very long time, I have known ones to whom the lightest caress was almost overstimulating.  I have known women to orgasm from foot massages, nipple play, kissing, and my favorite, anal sex.

The above even changes according to the time of month, the daily events, stress, emotions, etc.

As several have noted, doing Kegels helps, you can do them without a toy or they make fairly expensive stainless rods.  What helps most is knowing your body, what feels good, what doesn't and communicating that in a non threatening way.  "Oh god, I would go nuts if you touched me here" works better than "I can't cum cause your doing it wrong".

All that said about women being unique is true so you need to figure out how to use those things to your advantage.  Lots of oral before often helps, foreplay isn't overrated.  Decide where your pleasure comes from, clitoral or g-spot.  For g-spot I have found raising a woman's buttocks slightly in the missionary position (and why doggy works so well for some) and having the man focus on thrusting up, not just in.  This results in the head of the penis riding along the upper walls of the vagina (hot eh?  and to think I hate medical play) stimulating the g-spot.  Depending on how orgasmic you are, sometimes it helps to have cum first, sometimes it helps to have gotten you close a couple of times and backed off, or to just go about the whole think slowly and teasingly.

What will prevent it is stressing over it.  Promising yourself you are going to practice and not focus on cumming and instead focus on just how good it feels helps.  Chances are your practice will relax you enough you will cum anyway once the pressure is off, or at least directed at the right places.

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But don't classify them as different kinds of orgasm. That's unscientific.

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ORIGINAL: OTKkindaGirl
i was beginning to think that i was invisible on these boards and now i am thoroughly convinced.    whaaaaaa, whaaaaa... somebody please call the whaaaambulance!!!  *chuckles*  oh well.... going back into the lurkers closet .... at least i lose the vanilla cone with this whiney plea for some credit. 

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Crappy, the sillyness of west coasters.

Oh, Have your kids taken your car keys away yet, old timer?


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