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ORIGINAL: kdsub

No Lucy I see reality...I demand answers not lame excuses.. I challenge you to show one of my posts that did not have truth in it...just one. The truth is just that.. the reality of what happened. Just because you don't agree does not change these basic truths.

If blacks are killing blacks 80 to 1 in my town how is making people realize this is happening blame? If blacks are playing knock out games... if blacks are assaulting people on the streets.. If blacks are having gun battles on our highways... if blacks are killing children during drive by shootings... how is this anything but the truth...not blame. Until people address what is really important I will keep pointing the TRUTH out. This is not being a racist to wonder WHY. The why is what I want to talk about and it sure as hell is not the police that are the cause or problem.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Lucy I believe talk is what is needed... real truthful talk... but someone saying i can't understand because i am not of their color will solve nothing. If this is a white on black problem then the facts of this discrimination need to come out... If there is blame then lets face it... but both sides must be willing to accept blame. Do you really think 200 plus black on black murders in St. Louis are ALL the FAULT of some kind of discrimination...Is it all the fault of Police that black on white crime in St. Louis is skyrocketing? There has to be reasons for all of this crap but it is dumb ass to talk about white shoes and black ones.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Bama I've worked under over with and alongside blacks all my life... They are just people... no different than you are I.. they want the same things the same things piss them off... I have no problems understanding them and they I... Marini has no problem thinking she understands me... but of course I can not understand her or other blacks... and they call me arrogant...Will if saying this way of thinking is arrogant then I will be arrogant proudly.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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know many people feel they really KNOW how other people feel/and think, when in fact you have NO idea how you would REALLY feel IF you were in their shoes.

You know... when discussing my posts it is ok to talk with me directly... I respect your point of view even though I don't always agree..

Oh by the way there were white people rioting in Seattle I would like to talk and compare this with the riots in Baltimore... but of course since these were mostly white you are not qualified because you have no idea what it is like to be in a white persons shoes. I guess i will have to find white people to talk about it with... boy that really solves problems in America with race relations doesn't it.

Butch

Did I have an excuse to cheat in college? (I didn't)
Middle aged white conservative in a traditionally black university where several professors refused to allow me to participate in class discussion for up to a month into classes. One professor who resented me because I not only disagreed with her a lot, but had better sources than she did(that one was white) All the time listening to crap about my "white privilege".

The point is those things would have been excuses to cheat, and people who want to cheat would have used them.
People, both black and white want an excuse to steal, the don't burn and steel because of outrage, they burn and steel because that is what they want to do.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


Butch, there does seem to be an element of: "We know how you think. We know what your experiences are. But you don't know what ours are." thinking. I'm not convinced (entirely) that it comes from any particular genetic division.

I've had white liberals who think they know what my life is about who try to tell me what I believe or what I think or how I feel about issues and they are more than dead wrong. I could recite the litany, but what is the point?

I think you cry for honest and open discussion is an excellent one, but as long as the prevailing attitude is: "If a white person mentions race, they're a racist" we'll never get there. When people bring what they think are hard truths to light (True enough, they may only be anecdotal opinion), they are frequently shouted down.

When someone tells me that I don't know what it is to be passed over for a job or promotion because of race, I laugh at them because I came of age during the an intensification of affirmative action. I have lost jobs to less qualified people because the companies needed "more racial diversity in middle management positions". The only argument the other side can have that fits their narrative is to negate my experience; the very thing they claim is being done to them.

We will continue to have issues in this country until the mind readers and empaths take the shit out of their ears (and heads) and start listening, as well as demanding.



Michael

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I am afraid Michael no matter how your life was affected it can never be as bad as black lives were affected... or that is the general thought. When you ask for facts and reasons... yes you are a racists because... will ...because.... you are not black.

If I were to say the truth of what my black friends here in the county were saying about the protests in Ferguson I could be banned... but suffice to say they have little respect for them. But of course not wearing their shoes I must not hear it and pass it on will.... because.... will.... I'd be racists to repeat black thought.

How the hell will we ever get this straight with these attitudes?

Butch

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

just a quick interjection---what you said reminded me of an experience I had a few years ago.

I had a phone interview for a position I would have loved to have gotten at a well reputed/academically select university. having a sense of that he could be forthright with me, the interviewer said, "if it were up to me, id hire you in a minute, but to be honest, you are the wrong color or gender."

I have considered on more than one occasion to change the name on my resume to azisi firooz, and sprinkle a few muslim or black references here and there, and see what kind of response I get.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I actually had a black woman tell me that black people understand whites but whites do understand blacks. I told her that most of what black people say about whites is as far off as she was claiming whites were about blacks.
Maybe I shouldn't have told her that, she was my boss. She said they dealt with whites more, I pointed out that if you did something wrong 1000 times they were just real good at doing it wrong.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

I watched a lot of the coverage of this last night and one of the things that came up was the idea of the city attorney's "rush to judgment" in her charges of the officers in question and the mayor's ill-used phrase of "justice for Freddie."

the former might be problematic because the charges, in the eyes of some legal experts ive been listening to, might be an overreach.

the latter is problematic because it implies knowledge that the police are already guilty.

in both cases, this is going to put a tremendous amount of pressure on the trial. my supposition would be, if the people don't get the convictions they want there is likely going to be more rioting.

that said, imagine the pressure the jurors are going to feel in making their judgments.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

One thing about lawyers, they come in contact and represent a great deal of different types of people. We learn about their lives, troubles, goals, challenges, etc.

Lawyers often have some of the best insights and often work on the front lines of important social issues. Most of Angelos clients are class action plaintiffs, and the bulk of those he represents are blue collar employees.

Bethlehem Steel used to be the largest employer in Baltimore. Now, its GONE. IF you drive in BALTO roads, you'd think the USA was a third world country.

We can only wonder in dumbfounded terms what the opportunity cost of endless wars in Afghanistan and IRAQ have cost us back home.

MNOT believes we should abandon globalization and go back to protectionism. Bernie Sanders is against the Asian Trade Deal (new Presidential nominee.)