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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

yeah ...barretta was nearly 40 years ago, time to come into the 21st century and not just throw platitudes.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Better to stop the drug war, frankly. The Police target poor areas for drug enforcement and a cycle of arrests and violence ensues. It's really hard to see the upside.

Police target areas with the drug dealers, to be fair should they target low crime areas? Then you could whine about how the don't protect the poor.
Things like the law that lead to the Gardner killing are worse.
Right, surrender on another front.
What will be left when we surrender everywhere you want us to?
Annexation by Mexico?

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Shipping jobs overseas, a depressed minimum wage, troubled schools, and the drug war haven't helped.

The NYT had a stunning article about how 1.5 Million Black men are simply missing.

Whites ages 25-54: 100 women and 99 men

Blacks ages 25-54: 100 women and 87 men

I watched the fight last night and it came out that Mayweather's father was put in prison for five years. Death and Prison have essentially disappeared 1.5M black men. Jaw dropping.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/20/upshot/missing-black-men.html?abt=0002&abg=1&_r=0

my understanding of "shipping jobs overseas" is because corporate tax rates and unionization drive up costs.

those are essentially democrat/liberal positions. I agree with what you said, but you (the generic you) cannot create the conditions by which events unfold, and then bemoan their unfolding.

minimum wage jobs are not meant to be a "living wage." they are meant for part time workers who are young and just getting started and whose skill and experience level match their worth. in any event, even people working full time at minimum wage can get by, and do relatively well.

troubled schools---I agree, but democrats and school unions are at the forefront of fighting of all the successful innovation when it comes to fixing elementary and secondary school problems.

the "war on drugs" may indeed be locking some people up who are what others might call "non violent offenders" or "non violent users"---but I don't buy those monikers. what would you have police do---ignore people for their behavior that harms society? and to echo whats been said prior---don't do the crime if you cant do the time. drugs are a choice people make and if the substance is illegal, then its a doubly stupid choice.

you would think---as I believe bama asked---at some point you would say "hey, our progressive/liberalism isn't working" so lets try something else.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

yeah ...barretta was nearly 40 years ago, time to come into the 21st century and not just throw platitudes.

Karl Marx was nearly 200 years ago

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Better to stop the drug war, frankly. The Police target poor areas for drug enforcement and a cycle of arrests and violence ensues. It's really hard to see the upside.

Police target areas with the drug dealers, to be fair should they target low crime areas? Then you could whine about how the don't protect the poor.
Things like the law that lead to the Gardner killing are worse.
Right, surrender on another front.
What will be left when we surrender everywhere you want us to?
Annexation by Mexico?

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Better to stop the drug war, frankly. The Police target poor areas for drug enforcement and a cycle of arrests and violence ensues. It's really hard to see the upside.

Police target areas with the drug dealers, to be fair should they target low crime areas? Then you could whine about how the don't protect the poor.
Things like the law that lead to the Gardner killing are worse.
Right, surrender on another front.
What will be left when we surrender everywhere you want us to?
Annexation by Mexico?

I proposed a solution, which is far better than "whining." Was the repeal of prohibition a surrender? What's your solution, the status quo?

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

I'm not a big proponent of "white privilege" or the usage of that term. Too many whites are getting rattled by the system and the hardships faced by all Americans. Also, I don't like describing hard work and commitment as a privilege and I also think the term is racist.

Also, when you use the term, you automatically alienate a large swath of white people.

My impression of the white conservative guys posting here is that they are not living high on the hog and don't have University Educations.

Also, what I see here in the conservative posters and on Fox News is a feeling that white people are beleaguered and under "attack." This is very laughable, but its how many whites feel -- so white privilege just pisses them off. Part of feeling so beleaguered is zero sympathy, understanding, compassion, or even objectivity towards minorities and immigrants. In fact, minorities and immigrants are "the problem."

Put in more concrete terms, this crowd thought Tavon Martin "had it coming" and oddly regarded George Zimmerman as a hero.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

I'm not a big proponent of "white privilege" or the usage of that term.

Put in more concrete terms, this crowd thought Tavon Martin "had it coming" and oddly regarded George Zimmerman as a hero.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

I'm not a big proponent of "white privilege" or the usage of that term. Too many whites are getting rattled by the system and the hardships faced by all Americans. Also, I don't like describing hard work and commitment as a privilege and I also think the term is racist.

Also, when you use the term, you automatically alienate a large swath of white people.

My impression of the white conservative guys posting here is that they are not living high on the hog and don't have University Educations.

Also, what I see here in the conservative posters and on Fox News is a feeling that white people are beleaguered and under "attack." This is very laughable, but its how many whites feel -- so white privilege just pisses them off. Part of feeling so beleaguered is zero sympathy, understanding, compassion, or even objectivity towards minorities and immigrants. In fact, minorities and immigrants are "the problem."

Put in more concrete terms, this crowd thought Tavon Martin "had it coming" and oddly regarded George Zimmerman as a hero.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

I'm not a big proponent of "white privilege" or the usage of that term. Too many whites are getting rattled by the system and the hardships faced by all Americans. Also, I don't like describing hard work and commitment as a privilege and I also think the term is racist.

Also, when you use the term, you automatically alienate a large swath of white people.

My impression of the white conservative guys posting here is that they are not living high on the hog and don't have University Educations.

Also, what I see here in the conservative posters and on Fox News is a feeling that white people are beleaguered and under "attack." This is very laughable, but its how many whites feel -- so white privilege just pisses them off. Part of feeling so beleaguered is zero sympathy, understanding, compassion, or even objectivity towards minorities and immigrants. In fact, minorities and immigrants are "the problem."

Put in more concrete terms, this crowd thought Tavon Martin "had it coming" and oddly regarded George Zimmerman as a hero.

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

I'm not a big proponent of "white privilege" or the usage of that term. Too many whites are getting rattled by the system and the hardships faced by all Americans. Also, I don't like describing hard work and commitment as a privilege and I also think the term is racist.

Also, when you use the term, you automatically alienate a large swath of white people.

My impression of the white conservative guys posting here is that they are not living high on the hog and don't have University Educations.

Also, what I see here in the conservative posters and on Fox News is a feeling that white people are beleaguered and under "attack." This is very laughable, but its how many whites feel -- so white privilege just pisses them off. Part of feeling so beleaguered is zero sympathy, understanding, compassion, or even objectivity towards minorities and immigrants. In fact, minorities and immigrants are "the problem."

Put in more concrete terms, this crowd thought Tavon Martin "had it coming" and oddly regarded George Zimmerman as a hero.

Actually, the name is Trayvon Martin.

There are people who "have it coming" and people who don't. Both Trayvon and Zimmerman put themselves in a position to get hurt. That's on both. It well could have been Trayvon who had the gun that night and we'd have had a different outcome.

Zimmerman's no hero...but he wasn't guilty either.

By the way, I do have a college education. As far as hard work goes, you're right. I built my practice after my dad died and got to do it again after my divorce.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

I'm not a big proponent of "white privilege" or the usage of that term. Too many whites are getting rattled by the system and the hardships faced by all Americans. Also, I don't like describing hard work and commitment as a privilege and I also think the term is racist.

Also, when you use the term, you automatically alienate a large swath of white people.

My impression of the white conservative guys posting here is that they are not living high on the hog and don't have University Educations.

Also, what I see here in the conservative posters and on Fox News is a feeling that white people are beleaguered and under "attack." This is very laughable, but its how many whites feel -- so white privilege just pisses them off. Part of feeling so beleaguered is zero sympathy, understanding, compassion, or even objectivity towards minorities and immigrants. In fact, minorities and immigrants are "the problem."

Put in more concrete terms, this crowd thought Tavon Martin "had it coming" and oddly regarded George Zimmerman as a hero.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Better to stop the drug war, frankly. The Police target poor areas for drug enforcement and a cycle of arrests and violence ensues. It's really hard to see the upside.

Police target areas with the drug dealers, to be fair should they target low crime areas? Then you could whine about how the don't protect the poor.
Things like the law that lead to the Gardner killing are worse.
Right, surrender on another front.
What will be left when we surrender everywhere you want us to?
Annexation by Mexico?

I proposed a solution, which is far better than "whining." Was the repeal of prohibition a surrender? What's your solution, the status quo?

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

I'm not a big proponent of "white privilege" or the usage of that term. Too many whites are getting rattled by the system and the hardships faced by all Americans. Also, I don't like describing hard work and commitment as a privilege and I also think the term is racist.

Also, when you use the term, you automatically alienate a large swath of white people.

My impression of the white conservative guys posting here is that they are not living high on the hog and don't have University Educations.

Also, what I see here in the conservative posters and on Fox News is a feeling that white people are beleaguered and under "attack." This is very laughable, but its how many whites feel -- so white privilege just pisses them off. Part of feeling so beleaguered is zero sympathy, understanding, compassion, or even objectivity towards minorities and immigrants. In fact, minorities and immigrants are "the problem."

Put in more concrete terms, this crowd thought Tavon Martin "had it coming" and oddly regarded George Zimmerman as a hero.

Actually, the name is Trayvon Martin.

There are people who "have it coming" and people who don't. Both Trayvon and Zimmerman put themselves in a position to get hurt. That's on both. It well could have been Trayvon who had the gun that night and we'd have had a different outcome.

Zimmerman's no hero...but he wasn't guilty either.

By the way, I do have a college education. As far as hard work goes, you're right. I built my practice after my dad died and got to do it again after my divorce.

No ,it couldn't well have been Trayvon who had the gun that night.

He was just a young man armed with a bag of skittles,lets not rewrite history here,there was only one armed man that night....and that was Georgie

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

He was a victim,he's dead,he didn't search out Georgie.....

Do you think a verdict of not guilty for George made Trayvon less of a victim that night,dear god he's in the fucking ground.what would you call him ?

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

He was a victim,he's dead,he didn't search out Georgie.....

Do you think a verdict of not guilty for George made Trayvon less of a victim that night,dear god he's in the fucking ground.what would you call him ?

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

He was a victim,he's dead,he didn't search out Georgie.....

Do you think a verdict of not guilty for George made Trayvon less of a victim that night,dear god he's in the fucking ground.what would you call him ?

Homicide certainly. Judged to be justifiable homicide. Murder, no.