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banned - 1/12/2017 7:01:32 PM   
funz


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who gives others the right to ban somene for telling the truth
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RE: banned - 1/12/2017 7:05:27 PM   
MsLadySue


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Whoever the moderators are in a chatroom or forum have the right to do so. They likely did so after you were warned about something and
replied in a snarky or nasty way. Moderators don't have to put up with bs from anyone whether that someone believes they were telling the
truth or not.

< Message edited by MsLadySue -- 1/12/2017 7:07:20 PM >


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RE: banned - 1/15/2017 4:52:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: funz

who gives others the right to ban somene for telling the truth


The same people that give you the right to be butthurt.

Oh wait..nevermind.

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RE: banned - 1/15/2017 7:01:04 AM   
WickedsDesire


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Another! your the second in the last couple of dayso on here moaning about a ban...you need to watch yourself on the truth serum in those places, and that other place...this site has a nice banner somewhere stating its a member/supporter of free speech. So in essence no-one. And how do you know who your talking to is really who and what they say and not some 8 year old kid. perhaps you insulted a liar, someone who is not whom they claim - and they judged you for that - ah! the disparity of it all, the injustice where is spidey man when you need him - id prefer wonder women myself

No idea who to email, sorry cant help you you are fuked basically even if you are/were 100% correct.
1. Try saying you are sorry to whoever mods those places these days but I am actually siding with you.
2. Create another profile...if you are that desperate

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RE: banned - 1/15/2017 7:17:04 AM   
Diffident


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quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

1. Try saying you are sorry to whoever mods those places these days but I am actually siding with you.


I suspect that bringing his complaint to the forum may have burned that particular bridge. The mod will likely see his post.

As with all of these types of complaint, I have no idea who to side with because I haven't read the chat logs.

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RE: banned - 1/15/2017 10:53:39 AM   
OsideGirl


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quote:

ORIGINAL: funz

who gives others the right to ban somene for telling the truth


The same people that pay to operate a website, which you use for free.

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RE: banned - 1/15/2017 10:57:50 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: funz

who gives others the right to ban somene for telling the truth

Your truth or factual proof?

The moderators have the right. Support have the right, Admin have the right.

Its part of the agreement you sign when you join.
read the fine print...



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RE: banned - 1/15/2017 8:04:58 PM   
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I got chucked from a chatroom the other day. Somebody said something stupid, I called them on it, somebody else said my comment was offensive, and being in a bitchy mood I tore a strip off them and got bounced immediately.
The next day I was able to get back in.

So I would say if you got bounced, the odds are you likely did need some time away from the chatroom anyway.
Take a break and go back tomorrow with a better attitude.

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RE: banned - 1/16/2017 8:08:19 AM   
Causatum


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The obvious powers of the ops give them the right to ban you for life if they so choose. I was K-lined (bounced) and when I could not return, wrote the op in question an email explained that his actions were disproportional to what was said. In return, I got banned for life. He replied with the following email which he claimed that I would never post in its entirety (the names have been withheld as per this site's TOS). As I have nothing to hide and wish to ensure that others who have been banned may have a voice..I have actually posted the email that I was told I would never have the courage to do. I believe that unchecked powers of censorship and banishment go against the grain of what this site stands for. I am still banned for life and will probably be so for perpetuity.

Dated:
1/15/17 12:27 AM
Note: This is an administrative message from Collarspace.com

1) The Kline you are whining about was a 3 minute kline because of this exchange:

[1/10 21:04:40] <name withheld> i was on board with changing the topic until he opened his mouth
[1/10 21:05:27] <name withheld> make like a disney princess and fucking let it go
[1/10 21:05:48] * <Causatum> makes <name withheld> a Disney princess...and then f*cks her

It expired and nothing else was said about it or would have been, regardless of your typical discourtesy to many in chat...

2) the permanent kline is based on your bashing of admin in open room, taken from logs... it will not be rescinded, and I doubt you will have the balls to post this in its entirety, because you, poor fellow, are, were and remain WRONG and my tolerance for your attitude, actions and general condescending bullshit reached its limit.

Have a nice day and please refrain from further contact as we have nothing to discuss. Any contact with me or any of the chat IRCOps will be considered harassment.

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RE: banned - 1/16/2017 10:04:07 AM   
MissKatya


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Causatum

The obvious powers of the ops give them the right to ban you for life if they so choose. I was K-lined (bounced) and when I could not return, wrote the op in question an email explained that his actions were disproportional to what was said. In return, I got banned for life. He replied with the following email which he claimed that I would never post in its entirety (the names have been withheld as per this site's TOS). As I have nothing to hide and wish to ensure that others who have been banned may have a voice..I have actually posted the email that I was told I would never have the courage to do. I believe that unchecked powers of censorship and banishment go against the grain of what this site stands for. I am still banned for life and will probably be so for perpetuity.

Dated:
1/15/17 12:27 AM
Note: This is an administrative message from Collarspace.com

1) The Kline you are whining about was a 3 minute kline because of this exchange:

[1/10 21:04:40] <name withheld> i was on board with changing the topic until he opened his mouth
[1/10 21:05:27] <name withheld> make like a disney princess and fucking let it go
[1/10 21:05:48] * <Causatum> makes <name withheld> a Disney princess...and then f*cks her

It expired and nothing else was said about it or would have been, regardless of your typical discourtesy to many in chat...

2) the permanent kline is based on your bashing of admin in open room, taken from logs... it will not be rescinded, and I doubt you will have the balls to post this in its entirety, because you, poor fellow, are, were and remain WRONG and my tolerance for your attitude, actions and general condescending bullshit reached its limit.

Have a nice day and please refrain from further contact as we have nothing to discuss. Any contact with me or any of the chat IRCOps will be considered harassment.



Wow, still butthurt over this? Dude, just let it go already. If that is what you said in the chatroom:

[1/10 21:05:48] * <Causatum> makes <name withheld> a Disney princess...and then f*cks her

Then I can see why you were booted. Ewwww.

How old are you? Move on.

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RE: banned - 1/16/2017 11:04:22 AM   
OsideGirl


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MissKatya


quote:

ORIGINAL: Causatum

The obvious powers of the ops give them the right to ban you for life if they so choose. I was K-lined (bounced) and when I could not return, wrote the op in question an email explained that his actions were disproportional to what was said. In return, I got banned for life. He replied with the following email which he claimed that I would never post in its entirety (the names have been withheld as per this site's TOS). As I have nothing to hide and wish to ensure that others who have been banned may have a voice..I have actually posted the email that I was told I would never have the courage to do. I believe that unchecked powers of censorship and banishment go against the grain of what this site stands for. I am still banned for life and will probably be so for perpetuity.

Dated:
1/15/17 12:27 AM
Note: This is an administrative message from Collarspace.com

1) The Kline you are whining about was a 3 minute kline because of this exchange:

[1/10 21:04:40] <name withheld> i was on board with changing the topic until he opened his mouth
[1/10 21:05:27] <name withheld> make like a disney princess and fucking let it go
[1/10 21:05:48] * <Causatum> makes <name withheld> a Disney princess...and then f*cks her

It expired and nothing else was said about it or would have been, regardless of your typical discourtesy to many in chat...

2) the permanent kline is based on your bashing of admin in open room, taken from logs... it will not be rescinded, and I doubt you will have the balls to post this in its entirety, because you, poor fellow, are, were and remain WRONG and my tolerance for your attitude, actions and general condescending bullshit reached its limit.

Have a nice day and please refrain from further contact as we have nothing to discuss. Any contact with me or any of the chat IRCOps will be considered harassment.



Wow, still butthurt over this? Dude, just let it go already. If that is what you said in the chatroom:

[1/10 21:05:48] * <Causatum> makes <name withheld> a Disney princess...and then f*cks her

Then I can see why you were booted. Ewwww.

How old are you? Move on.



I always find it funny that people think bashing a moderator will help their case.

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RE: banned - 1/16/2017 8:27:59 PM   
LadyPact


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Dude, I tried to help you with this yesterday. It's not that I'm trying to be a jerk about it. I honestly am trying to help.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Causatum
The obvious powers of the ops give them the right to ban you for life if they so choose.

Yes, which is EXACTLY what you agreed to when you created an account.

quote:

I was K-lined (bounced) and when I could not return, wrote the op in question an email explained that his actions were disproportional to what was said.

That is your opinion. At the same time, you are not the person to make the decision.

quote:

In return, I got banned for life. He replied with the following email which he claimed that I would never post in its entirety (the names have been withheld as per this site's TOS).

I'm glad that I/we, at least, helped you with the 'don't post names' part of all of this. (Hopefully, you noticed what some of us said yesterday about that bit and have corrected that, rather than having your prior post go 'poof'.)

quote:

As I have nothing to hide and wish to ensure that others who have been banned may have a voice..I have actually posted the email that I was told I would never have the courage to do. I believe that unchecked powers of censorship and banishment go against the grain of what this site stands for.

This part, you are not getting...

Have you actually *read* ToS? Literally, you AGREED to the use of the site under the site's stipulations. It is not your "RIGHT" to use the website. It's a PRIVILEGE that you have been afforded. You agreed that the site can retract that privilege at any time, for any reason.


quote:

I am still banned for life and will probably be so for perpetuity.

Dated:
1/15/17 12:27 AM
Note: This is an administrative message from Collarspace.com

1) The Kline you are whining about was a 3 minute kline because of this exchange:

[1/10 21:04:40] <name withheld> i was on board with changing the topic until he opened his mouth
[1/10 21:05:27] <name withheld> make like a disney princess and fucking let it go
[1/10 21:05:48] * <Causatum> makes <name withheld> a Disney princess...and then f*cks her

It expired and nothing else was said about it or would have been, regardless of your typical discourtesy to many in chat...

Here's the thing. How do you know? You honestly don't. Depending on how the above was interpreted, it could have been perceived differently than you did.

quote:

2) the permanent kline is based on your bashing of admin in open room, taken from logs... it will not be rescinded, and I doubt you will have the balls to post this in its entirety, because you, poor fellow, are, were and remain WRONG and my tolerance for your attitude, actions and general condescending bullshit reached its limit.

You did have the presence of mind NOT to post the entire exchange with the Mod.

However, you probably got a form letter first, then you responded, etc, etc, until that was the last email from said Mod. I'm willing to bet dinner that you didn't post the entire exchange.

quote:

Have a nice day and please refrain from further contact as we have nothing to discuss. Any contact with me or any of the chat IRCOps will be considered harassment.

Do you understand that people actually *do* this? I mean, literally, that some people harass and threaten Mods until they are at the end of their rope?

Some people might say that's part of the job. It's not.





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RE: banned - 1/16/2017 10:46:49 PM   
Causatum


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I did post the entire exchange...every single word of both emails. No form letters, no prior notices, no flowers. What you read is what happened...and un-named op will delete this thread as well as it is making him appear like a bully (not my words).

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RE: banned - 1/16/2017 11:00:50 PM   
Casteele


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One thing a lot of people seem to not understand, especially within the IRC/chat culture: Both at the server level, and at the individual rooms level, you do not have any rights or freedoms that those in charge do not give you. They allow you in, because they want to, not because they have to. Think of it like someone allowing you in to their private home--They may do so, and they may ask and force you to leave at any time, for any reason, or even for no reason at all. They have that right; You do NOT have any right to demand fairness, "freedom of speech", or refuse to leave, etc.

The only real rules and policies that are strictly and universally enforced are the site Terms of Services, and other policies as listed on the website's footers. Outside of that, it's "The Law of the (Wild) West"--If they have the power to kick you out, they have the right to do so, regardless of whether of not you think it' fair, just, petty, power abuse, or whatnot. Most of the mods/hosts/chanops/etc, will indeed try to be "fair" and at least listen to you, if you present your case with courtesy and not in an attacking tone. But there is no requirement for them to do so.

If you cannot accept and live with this, you don't have to come on the chat; It's not like chat is one of the necessities of life. Turn the computer off and go to the park or local coffee house, instead.


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RE: banned - 1/17/2017 12:20:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Causatum

No form letters, no prior notices, no flowers.

No one cares.

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RE: banned - 1/17/2017 12:38:35 AM   
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I pity anyone who is a sub to the OP. Any mistake she made would never be over and done with. It would be an affront to him and he's paranoid.


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RE: banned - 1/17/2017 2:46:32 AM   
Causatum


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Most of the mods/hosts/chanops/etc, will indeed try to be "fair" and at least lis
quote:

ten to you, if you present your case with courtesy and not in an attacking tone. But there is no requirement for them to do so.

And what happens when arbitrary decisions based on personal prejudices are taken by a bully?

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RE: banned - 1/17/2017 2:48:01 AM   
Causatum


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quote:

Most of the mods/hosts/chanops/etc, will indeed try to be "fair" and at least listen to you, if you present your case with courtesy and not in an attacking tone. But there is no requirement for them to do so.


And what happens when arbitrary decisions based on personal prejudices are taken by a bully?

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RE: banned - 1/17/2017 4:28:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Causatum

quote:

Most of the mods/hosts/chanops/etc, will indeed try to be "fair" and at least listen to you, if you present your case with courtesy and not in an attacking tone. But there is no requirement for them to do so.


And what happens when arbitrary decisions based on personal prejudices are taken by a bully?


The arbitrary decision stands

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RE: banned - 1/17/2017 4:33:18 AM   
LadyPact


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Causatum
And what happens when arbitrary decisions based on personal prejudices are taken by a bully?

Frankly, it doesn't matter.

You are not being censored, denied your rights, or any of the other things you are trying to imply. Heck, now that I've seen the exchange, I'm not going for the other bit that you were trying to pass off in the other thread about how you're calling yourself "well respected," because the comment wasn't really called for. Had you been in my living room and said that, I absolutely would have shown you the door and made it clear that you were not welcome to return. If the Mod in question or the other party interpreted that comment as a threat, that's all that is necessary to remove your privileges.

Have you taken the advice given about actually reading ToS? Are you a big enough person to remove your personal feelings about how you *think* this should go? If you owned a bar, and one of your customers said the above to another patron, would you have found that acceptable?



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