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Greta75 -> 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 9:08:59 PM)
https://www.scribd.com/document/338306835/CBS-News-poll-on-Trump-travel-ban-record-low-approval-rating-for-Trump#from_embed And this is precisely the BIG problem with that party and it's supporters. I don't know how any honest person can say, they are absolutely equal in promoting violence. So to me, 66% of Dems are not being honest with themselves if they seriously, deep in their hearts, truly believe, Christianity promotes equal violence as Islam. And I tell ya precisely why this logic is so damn dishonest. They should poll Dems if given a choice, would they CHOOSE to live in a Christian Theocracy or a Muslim Theocracy? I bet nearly 100% Dems would choose Christian Theocracy over Muslim Theocracy. And then I wanna ask why? But but but, Christianity is promoting just as much violence as Islam!

tamaka -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 9:27:48 PM)
Greta, if we lived in a Christian theocracy, strictly speaking, it wouldn't be that much different than Islam. Women must obey their husbands, and are not permitted to speak at all in church (so in a theocracy they wouldn't be able to speak in government, or hold any leadership position over a man whatsoever). Homosexuality is a total sin... so in a christian theocracy there would be punishment for it. In strict churches, drinking and dancing aren't allowed. Women are to dress modestly... their head should be covered in church. Premarital sex is a sin and would be punished. Etc... You should do some research on the Puritans. The difference between christianity and muslim (besides their belief for salvation) is that christianity says that the government and God are two separate things.

Greta75 -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 9:39:03 PM)
Really? That cannot be true, since Jesus stopped the stoning of a Prostitute. To me, living in Christian Theocracy is living in a country where Jesus is President, compared to IF Muhammad is President. Jesus will never punish a woman for being raped. Muhammad would. And I highly doubt Jesus would oppose to women pursuing education and wanting to improve themselves, or demand silly things like covering their heads while in churches. I believe there was enough debate about the "Death to Homosexuals" part in Christianity how it no longer apply because of Jesus version of Christianity. Infact, I feel like Jesus was probably the New Age type of male of his time. Not a traditional MCP.

tamaka -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 9:42:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Really? That cannot be true, since Jesus stopped the stoning of a Prostitute. To me, living in Christian Theocracy is living in a country where Jesus is President, compared to IF Muhammad is President. Jesus will never punish a woman for being raped. Muhammad would. And I highly doubt Jesus would oppose to women pursuing education and wanting to improve themselves, or demand silly things like covering their heads while in churches. Well what would Jesus punish people for? And Jesus is not the whole religion of Christianity.

Greta75 -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 9:43:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Well what would Jesus punish people for? And Jesus is not the whole religion of Christianity. Prior to Jesus, isn't that all Judaism? Why would a modern Christian Theocracy today not model after Jesus? He was the last prophet of Christianity. He has the most updated details for Christianity. On top of that, he is either the son of God or God himself! Either way, HE IS the authority! Especially if he was literally God in human form as some Christians believe too. Muhammad is the last prophet for Islam. And I am definitely comparing following a Theocracy lead by Muhammad versus Jesus. And don't forget one last thing. The purpose Jesus served. In the past, whenever humans commit too much fuck up. God simply does an Noah Ark swipe and kill everybody except the flawless ones, and Restart all over again. That was his dumb solution the last time. In that world, a Christian Theocracy would be killing everybody before God can kill them. Trying to kill all the sinners so the world can continue. The whole point of Jesus is so that, people no longer have to be killed to be saved. Introducing a more humane way of repenting people.

tamaka -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 10:01:29 PM)
Ok... so let's go with that. What would a modern theocracy modeled after Jesus punish people for?

Greta75 -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 10:05:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Ok... so let's go with that. What would a modern theocracy modeled after Jesus punish people for? I honestly imagine a theocracy under Jesus to involve alot of rehabilitation programs. I reckon generally the 10 commandments will still stand. Standard laws of what Christian people should not do. But I imagine it would be a way more benevolent type of leadership than Muhammad would ever be. I doubt death penalty would even exist in Jesus's world. Since he would want to give them more chances to repent before they die and then get screwed for eternity. Jesus mission is to save as many people as possible from going to hell. Thus, he wouldn't send them to hell immediately by death penalty or he would have failed in his purpose. He believes no one is unredeemable.

Real0ne -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 10:08:16 PM)
You shall have no other Gods but me. You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God. You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy. Respect your father and mother. You must not commit murder. You must not commit adultery. You must not steal. You must not give false evidence against your neighbour. You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour. These were brought forward into Christianity

tamaka -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 10:11:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne You shall have no other Gods but me. You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God. You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy. Respect your father and mother. You must not commit murder. You must not commit adultery. You must not steal. You must not give false evidence against your neighbour. You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour. These were brought forward into Christianity Ok. Now tell me what the punishment would be for breaking any of these laws in a strictly Christian theocracy.

tamaka -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 10:13:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Ok... so let's go with that. What would a modern theocracy modeled after Jesus punish people for? I honestly imagine a theocracy under Jesus to involve alot of rehabilitation programs. I reckon generally the 10 commandments will still stand. Standard laws of what Christian people should not do. But I imagine it would be a way more benevolent type of leadership than Muhammad would ever be. I doubt death penalty would even exist in Jesus's world. Since he would want to give them more chances to repent before they die and then get screwed for eternity. Jesus mission is to save as many people as possible from going to hell. Thus, he wouldn't send them to hell immediately by death penalty or he would have failed in his purpose. He believes no one is unredeemable. Actually Jesus came to save the 'elect'. Those people God predetermined to be saved. Not the rest... according to the Bible.

Real0ne -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 10:14:09 PM)
I am not the one to decide that, I suppose it would range from a slap on the hand to lethal injection, that is not the point is it? The point is what would a Christian theocracy look like, and that imo would be the guide posts for this theocracy.

Greta75 -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 10:17:11 PM)
So just to be clear. We are talking about better of the worst here. I think all religions are terrible. But some are worst! And majority of the 10 commandments make sense except the no worshiping of idols and stuffs. So I am clear that in a Christian Theocracy, there may be no freedom to practice other religions. Gay marriage will never be legal obviously. But as I said, I believe they may abolish death penalty. And will have extensive brainwashing and rehabilitation programs. You know those "Let the holy spirit come inside you and cleanse you!" nonsense, while crazy Christians speak in tongues all around you. But with Islam, you can be assured Muhammad is gonna be trigger happy with death penalties and whipping and stoning. Gay people in Christian Theocracy are probably gonna get rehabilitated and treatment. Seen as a mental problem. But Islam society, probably stoned to death.

tamaka -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 10:18:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Ok... so let's go with that. What would a modern theocracy modeled after Jesus punish people for? I honestly imagine a theocracy under Jesus to involve alot of rehabilitation programs. I reckon generally the 10 commandments will still stand. Standard laws of what Christian people should not do. But I imagine it would be a way more benevolent type of leadership than Muhammad would ever be. I doubt death penalty would even exist in Jesus's world. Since he would want to give them more chances to repent before they die and then get screwed for eternity. Jesus mission is to save as many people as possible from going to hell. Thus, he wouldn't send them to hell immediately by death penalty or he would have failed in his purpose. He believes no one is unredeemable. Rehabilitation programs? The only rehabilitation program mentioned in the New Testament was shunning fellow believers who fell into sin. So i guess in a Christian theocracy if you went out and murdered 50 people, the rest of us believers wouldn't talk to you anymore. I guess the nonbelievers would still talk to you, but there wouldn't be any punishment in a Christian theocracy.

Greta75 -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 10:22:01 PM)
I think first of all, the Bible is not very detailed like Islam like what earthly punishment is suitable for what crimes. But when Jesus is leading a country. He would probably have some kind of rehabilitation program instilled to tackle people who lost their way so bad, like some mass murderer. That would be beyond just ignoring the person. As he was not governing during his time on earth. So we have no reference points there. But we can look at Jesus character and his general message to make wild guesses. At his role at that time, as just a normal civilian and a preacher. All he could do is advise followers to ignore the bad guys right? He has no other power to create a system. Muhammad on the other hand was governing the lands he occupied so he made concrete punishments for specific crimes.

tamaka -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 10:23:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 So just to be clear. We are talking about better of the worst here. I think all religions are terrible. But some are worst! And majority of the 10 commandments make sense except the no worshiping of idols and stuffs. So I am clear that in a Christian Theocracy, there may be no freedom to practice other religions. Gay marriage will never be legal obviously. But as I said, I believe they may abolish death penalty. And will have extensive brainwashing and rehabilitation programs. You know those "Let the holy spirit come inside you and cleanse you!" nonsense, while crazy Christians speak in tongues all around you. But with Islam, you can be assured Muhammad is gonna be trigger happy with death penalties and whipping and stoning. Gay people in Christian Theocracy are probably gonna get rehabilitated and treatment. Seen as a mental problem. But Islam society, probably stoned to death. If you got a divorce you could never remarry or be with any other person again. Women can never 'rule over' men (so much for equal opportunity). You could own slaves, and the slaves should be very obedient. Homosexuality, fornication, masturbation... nope nope nope.

Real0ne -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 10:23:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 So just to be clear. We are talking about better of the worst here. I think all religions are terrible. But some are worst! And majority of the 10 commandments make sense except the no worshiping of idols and stuffs. So I am clear that in a Christian Theocracy, there may be no freedom to practice other religions. Gay marriage will never be legal obviously. But as I said, I believe they may abolish death penalty. And will have extensive brainwashing and rehabilitation programs. You know those "Let the holy spirit come inside you and cleanse you!" nonsense, while crazy Christians speak in tongues all around you. But with Islam, you can be assured Muhammad is gonna be trigger happy with death penalties and whipping and stoning. Gay people in Christian Theocracy are probably gonna get rehabilitated and treatment. Seen as a mental problem. But Islam society, probably stoned to death. well now you are looking at elements thqat took biblical issues out of context and invented a whole new religion out of it. The 10 would be like a constitution, in fact america was based on christian principles though plenty will argue the so called founders were not christian, old records speak of God every other word lol

Real0ne -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 10:26:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka If you got a divorce you could never remarry or be with any other person again. Women can never 'rule over' men (so much for equal opportunity). You could own slaves, and the slaves should be very obedient. Homosexuality, fornication, masturbation... nope nope nope. But there is nothing like that in the 10 commandments? Keep in mind christianity had a lot of powerful influence that used their personal flavor of theology to tint the windows.

Greta75 -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 10:28:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka If you got a divorce you could never remarry or be with any other person again. Women can never 'rule over' men (so much for equal opportunity). You could own slaves, and the slaves should be very obedient. Homosexuality, fornication, masturbation... nope nope nope. Same with Islam. A woman's fate is 101% in a man's hands. So no difference there. Islam definitely supported slavery too. The only difference is the degree of violent punishment for going against the religious laws. Better of the worst? I mean if you think Muslim women have more control just because they can remarry after being divorce, you gotta be kidding. The reason why divorce is allowed in Islam is so that men can easily cast away their woman by simply uttering, 'I divorce you" 3 times infront of 2 witnesses. And easily marry more, as and when they like. Since all women are financially dependent on them, all women are at their mercy. At least Christians don't have specific divorce laws for pre-puberscent women. The fact that Islam set up clear well defined divorce laws for pre-puberscent women, tells me, ALOT of pre-puberscent women got divorced after they deflowered them. I should call them babies really, not women.

tamaka -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 10:44:21 PM)
Jesus said that anyone who is angry with someone is subject to judgement the same as a murderer . (Matthew 5:21-22) Jesus said anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has committed adultery... if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out.... if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off. (Matthew 5:27-30) ... so i guess a Christian theocracy would involve alot of self mutilation.

tamaka -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 10:48:38 PM)
Jesus said if someone strikes your face, turn your cheek and let him strike the other side. (No mention of rehabilitation there!) If someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well).... just give them everything.

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