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ORIGINAL: Kaliko

I didn't say that I wanted to protect public bathrooms, nor did I indicate any phobia. Believe me, I have many phobias, as my very patient husband is exasperatingly aware of. Transgender folks are not among them.

Perhaps I should just ask this question. Is the fact that a person transitions a remedy for a biological problem?

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: Kaliko

I didn't say that I wanted to protect public bathrooms, nor did I indicate any phobia. Believe me, I have many phobias, as my very patient husband is exasperatingly aware of. Transgender folks are not among them.

Perhaps I should just ask this question. Is the fact that a person transitions a remedy for a biological problem?

I think what's more in question is when a biological male says he identifies as a woman and uses the woman's restroom, and vice versa, not post-operatives.

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That's because Trans has not been legally allowed to enter female bathrooms for a long time enough to measure this.
I am not accusing Trans of assaulting women. I am accusing men who pretend to be Trans of assaulting women. How can you know if the male is a REAL transgender or not?

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Since all it takes is an effeminate male who loves dressing up as a woman? How do we know if they are trans or not? They are not guarding woman's safety at all. As I said, all you care about is transgender safety and not woman's safety at all.

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I even know there are males who are married TO women, have children, but goes out dressed as a woman with his wife all the time. But kept all his manly parts intact. Just cross dressed.

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Transgenders are always very tall. And most of the time, it's very obvious they are not natural females. I doubt I have been in a female toilet where I have not identified someone as trans. Their features are always obvious. It's very seldom that a regular trans on the street actually doesn't look like a man dress in drag. Over here we have mostly Thai transgender who we have sympathy for, because, majority of them were forced to be Trans from babies by their parents to work in the flesh trade and not by choice. Which is why, I am suggesting LGBT toilets solution instead of giving them no toilets.

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But you don't care about woman's comfort and safety. There will be many women out there like myself who is not comfortable with a cross dressing male inside a female toilet. I will feel unsafe.

Especially with camera phones available these days. Any man can cross dress into a female and bring a phone in and film for his own pleasure. Assault on women doesn't have to be physical.

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ORIGINAL: Kaliko
as my very patient husband is exasperatingly aware of. Transgender folks are not among them.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

Well, then IF every school has just one bathroom for everybody.

Then there would be no debate about which toilet can transgender use.

But personally in Asia. We women would never want to share bathroom with males EVER.

They can't aim. And they pee all over the toilet seats.

It's disgusting.

My x-husband use to pee sitting down on toilet seat, so we don't have that whole toilet seat up or down problem. Or any residue accidental splashes on toilet seats.

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ORIGINAL: SecondBestBoy

Isn't it adorable how for the Civil War Loser Leftovers, bathroom use is an issue that should be left to the states, but whether people can use a relatively harmless dried leaf in the privacy of their own homes is a dire Federal issue that the States can't be trusted to decide on?

Isn't it adorable how they pull this hypocritical shit all the time?

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Being someone who has used male public restrooms until I was 25. It has been my experience that female restrooms are much dirtier, smellier and yes....they tend to have more urine on the seats. This is probably because when males have to urinate they generally use the urinals when urinals are available.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Being someone who has used male public restrooms until I was 25. It has been my experience that female restrooms are much dirtier, smellier and yes....they tend to have more urine on the seats. This is probably because when males have to urinate they generally use the urinals when urinals are available.

Well blow me - that's just about the most counterintuitive thing I've read here on CC for many a moon!

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ORIGINAL: Angelberry
All transgender women are also not tall. I am tall 5'10,

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The question is...."do you care about my safety?" It would obviously be very dangerous for myself or someone like myself to have to use men's restrooms. Are you willing to deal with a little discomfort and perhaps even overcome your irrational fear for the safety of other's?

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ORIGINAL: Angelberry
All transgender women are also not tall. I am tall 5'10,

You prove my point. Most transgender women are tall. You are a typical example.
Short transgender are extremely rare and almost non existence.
Because they are males and males are generally taller than women, most of them.

An average Asian woman is 5'1. An Average Asian man is 5'6. So... the transgender will always be taller than the women.

So we always know. And you being 5'10 will be a dead give away.

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The question is...."do you care about my safety?" It would obviously be very dangerous for myself or someone like myself to have to use men's restrooms. Are you willing to deal with a little discomfort and perhaps even overcome your irrational fear for the safety of other's?

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And I'm sorry, I don't consider a transgender a natural female.
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I do identify male or female simply by the body parts they were born with.

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How they feel inside. That's just personality. So if they prefer all the typical things that women love and love to do everything women do. That's just personality. And that's okay, doesn't make them female to me. Everyone is an individual and for a boy to be not into boy's stuffs is perfectly fine. But if they want people to accept and see them as Females.

I don't think that is reasonable, as in reality. They were not born as females solely by their physical body parts. I'm not gonna pretend what is not real to me.

A boy who prefer female hobbies, may get teased alot, but doesn't make him less male to me.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
And while we're on the subject of reality, what is with this "killing weapon" shit? Firearms are designed to wound. A fatal wound depends on shot placement and luck. If guns were really designed to kill, they would be the engineering laughing stock of the century.

Enlarged and quoted so you can't hide from having said this later.

You are such a tool. I know responsible gun owners. They can debate gun ownership and admit there is a dependency instead of trying to dodge the issue; they smartly defend their dependency by social concerns and the already-present proliferation of guns in American society.

Not one of them would ever be so stupid as to openly lie and say guns are designed to injure and not kill. Any cop worth his salt will tell you that they are trained not to wound a suspect, but to kill a suspect-- drawing a weapon means you are preparing to kill.

You seriously have no business owning guns if you have to deny a dependency whilst confirming it, and can't admit that they are designed to kill and not wound.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Of all the people I visited in the US, even if they had more than one toilet, it wasn't a his'n'hers separate set of toilets.
The vast majority of homes here only have one toilet.
So in that sense, pretty much most toilets, except those in public places/buildings, are unisex toilets.
Why Greta seems to think those with more than one toilet in their home are separate for the sexes is very bizarre.

I've been in houses where the wife and husband have their own bathroom and a separate one for guests. And while they most of the people I know don't do this, obviously that doesn't mean no one does. Also a lot of my friends wish they had the money and the space to do this but can't. Now I can't speak for bathrooms over there so I will have to take your word that most houses only have one, but it makes me feel bad for you blokes. You must spend a lot of time with your knees pressed together praying you get there in time.

I didn't claim they didn't exist; just that of all those people that I met over there (mainly in NC and FL), none of them had separate his'n'hers toilets even when they had 3 and more bathrooms in their houses.

I was commenting more on Greta's rather naive claim: "...So it's apparently quite common to have separate bathrooms in their homes for straight married couples at the very least."

I do know that there are quite a high proportion of houses in the US have more than one bathroom/toilet.
I guess that's because you have the room to build bigger houses with more facilities than we have here.

As an example, my friend in Jax (FL) has a rather large two-bedroomed single-storey house on a small housing complex that he calls "cramped" because he can throw a baseball into his neighbours back yard.
In his place he has a bathroom/toilet and a shower-room/toilet as well as an en-suite to the master bedroom.
Where I live here, you could fit at least six houses in his back yard and three more across his frontage.
His walk-in closet is bigger than the whole footprint of our house!!

I showed him where we are on Google maps and he almost fainted with shock.
Then I enlightened him to the fact that the roof he was looking at was actually four houses in a terrace - he went very very pale.

Most of our 1, 2, and 3 bedroomed homes really have only one bathroom/toilet.
There are some older ones that still have the outside one that was left when they built the indoor one; but they are not common.

And to be honest, unless they actually build a new building with the facility of a third restroom for trans people, most of our public buildings couldn't be converted to accommodate a third one.
I've been in many buildings (like some of our very old courtrooms and historic buildings) where the gents toilet was nothing more than a urinal in the corner and a single very narrow stall.
You couldn't even convert it to two stalls as per Greta's suggestion - there just isn't the room to do so.

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ORIGINAL: susie
The idea of having a LGBT toilet would be dangerous for those using it. There are still many who cannot cope with the idea of transgender people and you would be giving them an easy target.

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ORIGINAL: Angelberry
Sex is a biological state which determines what role you play in reproduction. Gender is a social construct traditionally used in language to distinguish between masculinity and femininity.

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Being someone who has used male public restrooms until I was 25. It has been my experience that female restrooms are much dirtier, smellier and yes....they tend to have more urine on the seats. This is probably because when males have to urinate they generally use the urinals when urinals are available.

Well blow me - that's just about the most counterintuitive thing I've read here on CC for many a moon!