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RE: Another Terror Attack In London - 3/23/2017 5:16:23 PM   
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One can "prove" practically anything with anecdotal evidence

You have two bad guys out of a population of 300 million, who did nothing. No one died. How many Muslims have been arrested for terror plots, how many are being followed by the FBI

Mathew Shepard was killed and the media propaganda misled leftists to think it was a homophobic hate crime... That was considered proof that everyone in America was guilty of every kind of white guilt bullshit imaginable. The coverage went on and on, Hollywood even made a movie, and leftists continued shreiking about it until it was discovered the incident was over a a drug deal, and that it was Shepard's ex male lover who did the crime

Then the Orlando gay nightclub shooting happened - 49 people dead, 53 injured. The killer was a Muslim so... Did it even happen?

Hard to tell.



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RE: Another Terror Attack In London - 3/23/2017 5:19:08 PM   
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Well, this is *not* going to fit into this thread, as it's now become, but, for what it's worth:

I do feel a special kind of sorrow about Kurt Cochran, the American tourist who was killed. I really don't like to think of visitors to my country coming to any harm - especially the ultimate kind of harm. Something like: he was a guest in my home and I didn't manage to look after him well enough. If that makes any kind of sense.

I understand that.

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RE: Another Terror Attack In London - 3/23/2017 5:19:42 PM   
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Well, this is *not* going to fit into this thread, as it's now become, but, for what it's worth:

I do feel a special kind of sorrow about Kurt Cochran, the American tourist who was killed. I really don't like to think of visitors to my country coming to any harm - especially the ultimate kind of harm. Something like: he was a guest in my home and I didn't manage to look after him well enough. If that makes any kind of sense.


I get that totally Peon...but I have to say, as a canadian resident.
Brits know how to do it right.
I know more about the victims and rescue workers than I do about the attackers.
and this very brave man.




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RE: Another Terror Attack In London - 3/23/2017 5:21:44 PM   
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But we never see a Muslim turning in a jihadist before it happens. Ever.



You are talking bollocks. get back to me when you have some pertinent facts.



I can think of one....
Bin ladens doctor.




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RE: Another Terror Attack In London - 3/23/2017 5:37:54 PM   
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But we never see a Muslim turning in a jihadist before it happens. Ever.

According to a 2014 report from the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security (a joint undertaking of Duke, UNC, and RIT), 54 Muslim-American suspects/perpetrators have been turned into the authorities by Muslim-Americans since 9/11.

https://sites.duke.edu/tcths/files/2013/06/Kurzman_Muslim-American_Terrorism_in_20131.pdf

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An American Muslim alerted authorities to his concerns about the Orlando shooter two years before the massacre.

https://warisboring.com/american-muslims-turn-in-lots-of-terrorists-5be4561fded1#.92qvas555

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RE: Another Terror Attack In London - 3/23/2017 5:39:32 PM   
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I get that totally Peon...but I have to say, as a canadian resident.
Brits know how to do it right.
I know more about the victims and rescue workers than I do about the attackers.
and this very brave man.


Yes - oh yes. A brave man indeed. And a good man. Well, for reasons I've stated on past occasions, I relate a lot to police who've come up against terrorists. It's a horrible waste of a life, of course.

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RE: Another Terror Attack In London - 3/23/2017 5:42:18 PM   
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But we never see a Muslim turning in a jihadist before it happens. Ever.



You are talking bollocks. get back to me when you have some pertinent facts.



I can think of one....
Bin ladens doctor.





I can think of a few very compelling reasons why it might not be a good idea to be a Muslim who turns in an Islamist terrorist and then publicise it.


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RE: Another Terror Attack In London - 3/23/2017 6:12:10 PM   
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But we never see a Muslim turning in a jihadist before it happens. Ever.



You are talking bollocks. get back to me when you have some pertinent facts.



I can think of one....
Bin ladens doctor.





I can think of a few very compelling reasons why it might not be a good idea to be a Muslim who turns in an Islamist terrorist and then publicise it.




Well retribution against "grassers" any place, turn up dead or injured in an awful lot of terrorist groups. in all religions...



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RE: Another Terror Attack In London - 3/23/2017 11:39:31 PM   
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Just like Dylan Roof's buddy turned him in before he was going to shoot up the church?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/21/us/joey-meek-dylann-roof-charleston-church-shooting.html?_r=0


Dylan Roofs culture, society, whatever, forbids the kinds of evil that the Koran and Islam / Islamic law demands




Dylans cultureand society is pretty deadly itself. even if forbidden



I would not like to claim that the Trumps were actively involved in funding the IRA, despite the fact that Trump attended Sinn Féin fundraising rallies shortly before the Canary Wharf bombing. Times change and Sinn Féin has of course entered the peace process since then, but things were different then.

Despite the US being main source of IRA funding, the UK somehow managed not to cast all Americans as terrorists or terrorist sympathisers. Many Americans thought that UK citizens deserved to die because of the Irish famines in the previous century and centuries of injustice. It was so public in cities such as Boston that it was just a fact of life the UK had to accept.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the historical arguments, people in the UK had to accept that not only did many American sympathise with the Irish Republican cause (a perfectly reasonable political position) but also agreed with and funded the terrorists.

But more importantly millions of Americans did not support the violence in Northern Ireland, whatever the political justifications.

Why then is it so hard for the anti-Muslim brigade on this site to understand that just as it would have been wrong for the British to see all Americans as terrorist sympathisers, it is wrong to suggest that all Muslims are terrorist sympathisers.

I had Americans during the struggle in Northern Ireland tell me how they supported what the IRA was doing, when at the same time bombs were going off in the streets of British cities. I managed to maintain a balanced perspective about Americans then, despite some people's views.

We need some perspective here too. Sinn Féin, the IRA (and the "Loyalist" paramilitaries who were just as murderous) all combined religious sectarianism with political violence. (And as a sick footnote the Trump mixed openly with these people.)

Persecuting Muslims now is just as nonsensical as persecuting Christians then.

Four people have so far lost their lives and others are still horribly injured in hospital.

It's time to show solidarity with those who have suffered and continue to suffer. I know some people can't help using this as confirmation of their anti-Muslim views, but it's time to stand up against violent extremism and terrorism, not give way to abject prejudice.

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RE: Another Terror Attack In London - 3/23/2017 11:45:59 PM   
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But we never see a Muslim turning in a jihadist before it happens. Ever.

According to a 2014 report from the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security (a joint undertaking of Duke, UNC, and RIT), 54 Muslim-American suspects/perpetrators have been turned into the authorities by Muslim-Americans since 9/11.

https://sites.duke.edu/tcths/files/2013/06/Kurzman_Muslim-American_Terrorism_in_20131.pdf

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An American Muslim alerted authorities to his concerns about the Orlando shooter two years before the massacre.

https://warisboring.com/american-muslims-turn-in-lots-of-terrorists-5be4561fded1#.92qvas555

So we now have evidence posted from Australia, the UK and now the USA all flatly contradicting the claim that Muslims never dob in one of their own before the fact.

In all of these countries a number of extremist plots have been discovered and the participants arrested before they had the chance to do any evil. In most of these cases, the information alerting the authorities comes from within the Muslim community. In the UK and Australia (I am unaware of the situation in the US) Muslims, often family members, have dobbed in people planning to go to Syria/Iraq to fight for IS, thus preventing their departure.

It might also be noted that when it comes to discussing military aggression, Western armies are operating in Muslim lands but there are no Muslim armies in Western countries. We might also recall that it was Bush/Blair's disastrous invasion of Iraq on false pretences that triggered the events that resulted in the formation of IS. But these facts invariably escape mention by those making these false claims against Muslims.

This evidence on its own ought to be enough to permanently silence those who claim that Muslims aren't taking any action against extremists in their ranks. But somehow I doubt if this evidence and the facts will silence those voices. They seem to be operating on the basis of something else. Fear and bigotry are often resistant to evidence facts and/or rational analysis.

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RE: Another Terror Attack In London - 3/24/2017 6:27:27 AM   
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Just like Dylan Roof's buddy turned him in before he was going to shoot up the church?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/21/us/joey-meek-dylann-roof-charleston-church-shooting.html?_r=0


Dylan Roofs culture, society, whatever, forbids the kinds of evil that the Koran and Islam / Islamic law demands




Dylans cultureand society is pretty deadly itself. even if forbidden



I would not like to claim that the Trumps were actively involved in funding the IRA, despite the fact that Trump attended Sinn Féin fundraising rallies shortly before the Canary Wharf bombing. Times change and Sinn Féin has of course entered the peace process since then, but things were different then.

Despite the US being main source of IRA funding, the UK somehow managed not to cast all Americans as terrorists or terrorist sympathisers. Many Americans thought that UK citizens deserved to die because of the Irish famines in the previous century and centuries of injustice. It was so public in cities such as Boston that it was just a fact of life the UK had to accept.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the historical arguments, people in the UK had to accept that not only did many American sympathise with the Irish Republican cause (a perfectly reasonable political position) but also agreed with and funded the terrorists.

But more importantly millions of Americans did not support the violence in Northern Ireland, whatever the political justifications.

Why then is it so hard for the anti-Muslim brigade on this site to understand that just as it would have been wrong for the British to see all Americans as terrorist sympathisers, it is wrong to suggest that all Muslims are terrorist sympathisers.

I had Americans during the struggle in Northern Ireland tell me how they supported what the IRA was doing, when at the same time bombs were going off in the streets of British cities. I managed to maintain a balanced perspective about Americans then, despite some people's views.

We need some perspective here too. Sinn Féin, the IRA (and the "Loyalist" paramilitaries who were just as murderous) all combined religious sectarianism with political violence. (And as a sick footnote the Trump mixed openly with these people.)

Persecuting Muslims now is just as nonsensical as persecuting Christians then.

Four people have so far lost their lives and others are still horribly injured in hospital.

It's time to show solidarity with those who have suffered and continue to suffer. I know some people can't help using this as confirmation of their anti-Muslim views, but it's time to stand up against violent extremism and terrorism, not give way to abject prejudice.


Get back with us when Sinn Fein becomes a worldwide death cult bent on enslaving the world, and has already enslaved almost a third of it and has slaughtered as many as 800 million people in the pursuit of that goal just as Muslims have done

Again, those two fellows above go against what their society teaches. Muslims teachings demand they slaughter innocents in terroristic ways, who refuse to convert

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RE: Another Terror Attack In London - 3/24/2017 7:40:04 AM   
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Niether McDowell nor Barnett was Sinn Fein, they were retarded nutsuckers just like you, part of the White Xtian Right that has killed over 800 million or more people in their death cult.

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RE: Another Terror Attack In London - 3/24/2017 7:52:12 AM   
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Get back with us when Sinn Fein becomes a worldwide death cult bent on enslaving the world, and has already enslaved almost a third of it and has slaughtered as many as 800 million people in the pursuit of that goal just as Muslims have done

Again, those two fellows above go against what their society teaches. Muslims teachings demand they slaughter innocents in terroristic ways, who refuse to convert


So, getting back to those Muslim police officers who were helping deal with the atrocity, plus the Muslim emergency responders and hospital medical staff, plus Sadiq Khan, the London Mayor, who spoke out vehemently against the terrorist act, plus all the Muslim citizens who've spoken out against this atrocity ... what's going on with all those Muslims, then? Are they all hiding their true, bloodthirsty, anti-western selves, just waiting for a strategic time in the future when, pre-programmed as they all are by the Koran, they'll all suddenly go apeshit and start attacking their countrymen? Is that how it is, in your view?

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RE: Another Terror Attack In London - 3/24/2017 8:06:55 AM   
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Get back with us Get back with us when Sinn Fein becomes a worldwide death cult bent on enslaving the world,



The IRA and SinnFein have history with Libya(muslims) going back to 73
Heres an article discussing it back in 2011
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-12539372

The 38-year connection between Irish republicans and Gaddafi
23 February 2011

Attacks carried out with Libyan Semtex included the Enniskillen bomb in 1987
As Libyans fight against a 42-year dictatorship, deputy first Minister Martin McGuinness has said he feels no shame about republicans' past links with Colonel Gaddafi.

He said he supported those rising up against monarchies and fiefdoms in the Middle East.
So what exactly is the link between Colonel Gaddafi and Northern Ireland?
In the 1960s the Provisional IRA was badly armed, relying on old weapons, some dating back to World War II.
Muammar Gaddafi, who took over Libya in a 1969 coup, saw the IRA as a comrade-in-arms fighting British imperialism and he was partly responsible for providing it with more modern weaponry.
The first proven connection with Libya was discovered in 1973 when the Irish Navy boarded a ship called the Claudia, off the Irish coast.
They found five tonnes of weaponry supplied by Libya.
Links between Gaddafi and the IRA re-emerged in 1986 after Gaddafi's adopted daughter was killed along with more than 100 other people by US bombing raids launched from UK bases.
The Libyan leader has said he resumed contact with the IRA in the aftermath of those air raids.
A year later, French authorities stopped a ship, the Eksund, which was on its way to Northern Ireland carrying around 1,000 AK-47 machine guns, more than 50 ground-to-air missiles and two tonnes of Semtex.
It is believed that other shipments of arms reached Ireland before the Eskund was apprehended.
In 2003, the BBC's Mark Devenport spoke to an intelligence source who said there was no question that Libyan arms had greatly enhanced the IRA's deadliness.
'Essential partner'
Attacks carried out with Libyan Semtex included the Enniskillen bomb in 1987, the Ballygawley bus bombing in 1988 and about 250 other booby-trap bombings.
Gaddafi's involvement in the 1988 bombing of Pan Am flight 103 over Lockerbie finally led to his being ostracised and sanctions being imposed by the United Nations.
In 2003, spooked by the US response to the 11 September attacks and the invasion of Iraq, and encouraged by Prime Minister Tony Blair, Gaddafi sought rapprochement by admitting responsibility for Lockerbie and abandoning his quest to develop weapons of mass destruction.

The families of the 180 US victims of the Lockerbie bombing received $1.3bn (£1bn) in total as part of a deal between the US and Libya.
The UN Security Council voted to completely lift sanctions in 2003, but the DUP's Ian Paisley Jr argued against this because of the lack of compensation for IRA victims.
As part of the negotiations to lift sanctions, Libyan officials provided information about millions of pounds and 120 tonnes of weaponry which they had given the IRA.
However, the UK government has never secured a compensation deal from Libya for victims of IRA attacks.
During a meeting with Gaddafi in 2009, then Prime Minister Gordon Brown declined to put any formal pressure on Libya for compensation.
Mr Brown told a victims' lawyer at the time that it was not "appropriate" to discuss the claims.
In a letter to lawyer Jason McCue in September 2008, Mr Brown told him that Libya was now an "essential partner" in the fight against terrorism and it was in the UK's interest for that co-operation to continue.

Mr McCue has been lobbying the UK to raise the matter of compensation at the highest levels of the Libyan government.
'Genocide'
More than 100 UK IRA victims have been excluded from out-of-court deals agreed by Libya with three American victims of IRA atrocities.
An Assembly motion in 2009 which called for compensation from Libya for IRA victims was backed by all parties, except Sinn Fein.
Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams said at the time that he supported the right to seek compensation, but said the motion was "unfair and partisan".

In September 2009, the BBC learned that PSNI officers were sent to Libya to help train its police.
Police said a chief inspector/temporary superintendent had spent a number of days in Libya in November 2008 to assess training needs.


Based on his recommendations, an inspector was part of a tactical command course between 12 January and 2 February 2009.
The decision was met with shock and criticism by unionist politicians. Many RUC officers killed or injured during the Troubles were victims of Libyan weapons.
Now, after 42 years, Gaddafi's regime appears to be teetering on the brink.
Libya's diplomats at the United Nations in New York called for international intervention to stop the government's violent action against street demonstrations in their homeland.
Deputy Permanent Representative Ibrahim Dabbashi said Libyans had to be protected from "genocide", and urged the UN to impose a no-fly zone.
Perhaps now the best that victims can hope for is that the Libyan people finally oust the man who supported the IRA's campaign of violence for so long.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-12539372

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RE: Another Terror Attack In London - 3/24/2017 8:44:53 AM   
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But we never see a Muslim turning in a jihadist before it happens. Ever.



You are talking bollocks. get back to me when you have some pertinent facts.



I can think of one....
Bin ladens doctor.




Who does he think shopped Abu Hamza to the Met, come to that?

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RE: Another Terror Attack In London - 3/24/2017 1:46:50 PM   
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Get back with us when Sinn Fein becomes a worldwide death cult bent on enslaving the world, and has already enslaved almost a third of it and has slaughtered as many as 800 million people in the pursuit of that goal just as Muslims have done

Again, those two fellows above go against what their society teaches. Muslims teachings demand they slaughter innocents in terroristic ways, who refuse to convert


You do realise that the IRA and other similar groups killed far more people in Europe annually in the seventies, eighties and many years of the nineties than Islamic terrorists do now?

The fact is that although Islamic terrorism is our current focus, white European terrorist groups have killed far more people in Europe in recent decades than Islamic terrorists have.

Europeans have to recognise that we have successfully started the most deadly wars in the last couple of hundred years. We make all other continents look like amateurs. Given our incredible propensity for violence and our ability to kill millions of people in a brutally efficient manner, the rest of the world must be breathing a sigh of relief that we haven't fallen out seriously in over seventy years.

The US can also take a bow in this roll of honour by managing to kill three quarters of a million of it own citizens in the nineteenth century (no mean feat) and devastating Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The point is that you just cannot claim that Muslims are uniquely blood-thirsty. If you were an outsider looking in, Europe and the US are far better at fighting and killing than any other group of nations on the planet. With WWII combat deaths of over 20 million and a total of over 50 million dead when you consider war related deaths, it makes anything Muslims have done look like chicken feed.

If you want to claim that the world should be afraid of the Muslims unleashing terror, you seriously underestimate just how scary the West looks to non-Westerners.

It's all a matter of perspective.

How about trying to get some perspective and be anti-terrorist, not anti-Muslim?

Then you would have to condemn Trump's crass actions, cavorting around with people who unleashed terror on the streets of the UK, just as much as you condemn the minority of Muslim leaders who advocate violence against ordinary citizens.

There's none so blind as those who will not see.

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RE: Another Terror Attack In London - 3/24/2017 2:17:07 PM   
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RE: Another Terror Attack In London - 3/24/2017 2:58:17 PM   
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The point is that you just cannot claim that Muslims are uniquely blood-thirsty.


You can if you assume that the thoughts, motivations and actions of all Muslims are entirely determined by the Koran (and specifically the bloodthirsty bits of it), whereas the the thoughts, motivations and actions of Christians are determined by a rich tapestry of cultural, political, societal, psychological, economic (etc etc etc) influences on top of what's in the Bible. The nature of the malignancy of Dylann Roof's brain will fascinate analysts for years to come; whereas there's nothing we need to know about the brains of Abu Hamza or Khalid Masood other than the fact that they were 'Muslim extremists'. They took too much store from the nasty bits of the Koran. That's it - nothing else worth thinking about.

This is what keeps getting me: the far right view of what makes Muslims tick is so utterly, brainlessly, simplistic. It's ludicrously divorced from the real world as a result. Nonetheless, despite that, it's the far right that is forever going around with the gobsmackingly super-inflated conceit that it, rather than us 'gullible pc useful idiots', is alone able to see it and tell it 'like it is'.



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