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Milesnmiles -> RE: Russia offically bans Jehovah Witnesses (4/23/2017 4:42:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Ys Greta, they are all over theplace here. Actually the Mormons do it as well.

The JWs however believe that only 144,000 will be saved at the end of the world so I wonder why they bother. And of course I am sure they believe that 144,000 will come from among their ranks.

The olman read the Bible and the Book Of Mormon cover to cover and had a serious discussion with the Mormons when they came. They never came back. The JWs pretty much the same.

If they ever bother you, just answer the door fully nude and they will not come back. You might try a "NO SOLICITING" sign in front of the house but I am not sure in this country if that applies to the religious. I never checked.

I suspect that if I looked into this Russian law I would find that it is overblown. The law is probably not against the religion at all, only about the solicitation. Just like Gays. People were told that Gays were illegal in Russia but in truth their law only forbids promoting homosexuality to minors.

Anyone got an actual translation of the law against JWs ? Are they forbidden to build churches ? Are they forbidden to have meetings in their house ? Speaking of that one state tried that shit here, forbid religious meetings at private homes. Totally unconstitutional but these legislators are clueless. Seriously fucking clueless.

It is like anything else. Like ALL Muslims want to kill us. Sure some do, but not all. If all of them did there would be more of us dead. They are i our convenience stores, banks, fast food joints, everywhere. Most of them can buy guns. But by and large they don't do that. The media has people thinking they do. Mind you I want no more of them in my country, in fact I want no more of anyone in my country. I want the borders closed, period.

T^T

It is interesting the large amount of misinformation that there is out there about JWs and posts like this just add to it.

Yes, JWs go door to door spreading their message and so sometimes show up at your door at inconvenient times but they feel they are trying to save your eternal life. And although there are some who are relatively aggressive, if you are firm and let them know that you are not interested, they will go away quickly and quietly but they will return in the hope that may be your life has lead you to be more receptive in the future.

JWs do not believe that only 144,000 will be saved but that only 144,000 of mankind will go to Heaven and that for a special purpose, the rest of saved mankind will continue to live right here on a paradise Earth where they will receive back all those resurrected ones of dead mankind and that could eventually entail billions living on the Earth.

Also, I could not find and read the law itself but most of the articles are saying; “It banned all their activity immediately, and ordered their property seized by the state” and “Russia’s estimated 170,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses now risk criminal prosecution if they continue to meet for prayer or Bible study”.

And even if it was only a law against the “solicitation” that “solicitation” is fundamental tenant of JWs and so any law against that, would be a law “against the religion”.




Milesnmiles -> RE: Russia offically bans Jehovah Witnesses (4/23/2017 4:47:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MercTech

Ok, so annoying proselytizers don't get visa approval for Russia. It is their country and their call after all.

The law isn't about "visa approval", it's about people who are already citizens, it's their counrty too, not being allowed to worship as JWs.




Lucylastic -> RE: Russia offically bans Jehovah Witnesses (4/23/2017 5:16:51 AM)

Is anyone reading about the gay "purge" going on in Chechnya???




DaddySatyr -> RE: Russia offically bans Jehovah Witnesses (4/23/2017 5:34:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

It is interesting the large amount of misinformation that there is out there about JWs and posts like this just add to it.

Yes, JWs go door to door spreading their message and so sometimes show up at your door at inconvenient times but they feel they are trying to save your eternal life. And although there are some who are relatively aggressive, if you are firm and let them know that you are not interested, they will go away quickly and quietly but they will return in the hope that may be your life has lead you to be more receptive in the future.

JWs do not believe that only 144,000 will be saved but that only 144,000 of mankind will go to Heaven and that for a special purpose, the rest of saved mankind will continue to live right here on a paradise Earth where they will receive back all those resurrected ones of dead mankind and that could eventually entail billions living on the Earth.

Also, I could not find and read the law itself but most of the articles are saying; “It banned all their activity immediately, and ordered their property seized by the state” and “Russia’s estimated 170,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses now risk criminal prosecution if they continue to meet for prayer or Bible study”.

And even if it was only a law against the “solicitation” that “solicitation” is fundamental tenant of JWs and so any law against that, would be a law “against the religion”.



I get a general feeling of: "If only Russia were a free-society; more like us"?

Empire Building/Regime change? Is that the general over-tone?



Michael




Milesnmiles -> RE: Russia offically bans Jehovah Witnesses (4/23/2017 7:01:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I get a general feeling of: "If only Russia were a free-society; more like us"?

Empire Building/Regime change? Is that the general over-tone?

Michael


Free-society? What's a free-society? It is interesting to note that in the US and Canada's free-societies during WWII, at the same time Hitler was throwing JWs in concentration camps in Germany for their resistance, the US and Canada were throwing JWs in prison and in some cases they were lynched.

So I have come to realize that Free is a relative term and that no person or society can be totally free but by comparison can be freer in one situation than another or more in one way than another.
;-)




DaddySatyr -> RE: Russia offically bans Jehovah Witnesses (4/23/2017 7:08:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

Free-society? What's a free-society? It is interesting to note that in the US and Canada's free-societies during WWII, at the same time Hitler was throwing JWs in concentration camps in Germany for their resistance, the US and Canada were throwing JWs in prison and in some cases they were lynched.

So I have come to realize that Free is a relative term and that no person or society can be totally free but by comparison can be freer in one situation than another or more in one way than another.
;-)



Well, that made the answer to my question as clear as mud.

Thank you.



Michael




BoscoX -> RE: Russia offically bans Jehovah Witnesses (4/23/2017 7:31:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Greta75


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Second point: Muslims do not go door to door pestering people.


That's true.

But Jehovah Witnesses does that???


Right, instead Muslims put poles up the rectums of non-believers until they come out of their mouths then they plant them along highways as terroristic warnings to anyone thinking of denying Allah

Things like that




WickedsDesire -> RE: Russia offically bans Jehovah Witnesses (4/23/2017 7:44:50 AM)

You may want to check the bible for rape stories, and a lot worse, hysterical buttercup

Its always two hot women come to my door. They start to ask me questions (never a wise move on religion) and my mind wonders if they are hot lesbians up for a bit of a shagging




BoscoX -> RE: Russia offically bans Jehovah Witnesses (4/23/2017 8:12:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

You may want to check the bible for rape stories, and a lot worse, hysterical buttercup

Its always two hot women come to my door. They start to ask me questions (never a wise move on religion) and my mind wonders if they are hot lesbians up for a bit of a shagging


Despite your typical alt left cartoonish fantasyland delusions, today's French election outcome is being heavily influenced by the things Muslims are doing currently, rather than anything anyone did in biblical times




Milesnmiles -> RE: Russia offically bans Jehovah Witnesses (4/23/2017 8:36:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

Free-society? What's a free-society? It is interesting to note that in the US and Canada's free-societies during WWII, at the same time Hitler was throwing JWs in concentration camps in Germany for their resistance, the US and Canada were throwing JWs in prison and in some cases they were lynched.

So I have come to realize that Free is a relative term and that no person or society can be totally free but by comparison can be freer in one situation than another or more in one way than another.
;-)



Well, that made the answer to my question as clear as mud.

Thank you.



Michael


Sorry to disappoint you but in real life black and white answers are few and far between.
;-)




Milesnmiles -> RE: Russia offically bans Jehovah Witnesses (4/23/2017 8:39:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Greta75


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Second point: Muslims do not go door to door pestering people.


That's true.

But Jehovah Witnesses does that???


Right, instead Muslims put poles up the rectums of non-believers until they come out of their mouths then they plant them along highways as terroristic warnings to anyone thinking of denying Allah

Things like that

On the whole I think I'm going to go with a little door to door pestering.
;-)




WhoreMods -> RE: Russia offically bans Jehovah Witnesses (4/23/2017 8:43:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Greta75


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Second point: Muslims do not go door to door pestering people.


That's true.

But Jehovah Witnesses does that???


Right, instead Muslims put poles up the rectums of non-believers until they come out of their mouths then they plant them along highways as terroristic warnings to anyone thinking of denying Allah


I wonder if one of those on either side of the door would frighten off the Jovos in future?




WickedsDesire -> RE: Russia offically bans Jehovah Witnesses (4/23/2017 9:07:25 AM)

Tell us all what the French are voting for Boscox the vacant not that you have a handle on reality – I will concede you have a handle on a bucket of your heaving mess off plop jobbies: not that I think you will ever heave forth something remotely solid. heh is it true you shat yourself inside out?

Do the baaad mooselambs scare you fragile little petal?
Are they coming for you?




Hillwilliam -> RE: Russia offically bans Jehovah Witnesses (4/23/2017 3:46:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
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Jehovah's Witnesses are pansies though, easy enough to push around. Like practically all other Christian groups they never commit terrorist acts these days. Christians have grown up, so to speak
...

Interestingly it was these very "pansies" who were the only "Christian" group who stood up to Hitler during WWII and called him out for who and what he was and were thrown into the concentration camps for it, while the other "stouthearted" "Christian" groups cowered in fear.



So long as your idea of 'standing up' means letting yourself be destroyed, sure.


They're still around and he isn't. Who got destroyed?[8|]




Edwird -> RE: Russia offically bans Jehovah Witnesses (4/23/2017 4:44:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
I get a general feeling of: "If only Russia were a free-society; more like us"?

Empire Building/Regime change? Is that the general over-tone?Michael

Free-society? What's a free-society? It is interesting to note that in the US and Canada's free-societies during WWII, at the same time Hitler was throwing JWs in concentration camps in Germany for their resistance, the US and Canada were throwing JWs in prison and in some cases they were lynched.


WW II? 77 years ago? The US did much worse than that 150 years ago, the Brits and the French did much worse than that 300 and 500 and 1,000 years ago. The Mesopotamians . . .

Is there an expiration date on all this? "It happened then, so we are not free now," is that it?

Does this mean people who practiced slavery 2-3,000 years ago are not allowed in the discussion of slavery anymore, now or forever?

Don't waste your time on that, though.

I think -creditable sources- as relating of instances of the US and Canada's lynching JWs during WW II would be much more interesting.

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So I have come to realize that Free is a relative term and that no person or society can be totally free but by comparison can be freer in one situation than another or more in one way than another.
;-)


Did you have a good nap? So you just now learned about relative freedom the same way people thousands of years ago did?

Oh, and as for the "it's part of their religion to intrude upon people in the middle of being a family and interrupt important household affairs" as being "part of their religion, so to suppress the annoyance and intrusion would mean suppressing their religion," . . .

Just overflowing with original thought today, aren't you?

I absolutely vote for JWs or any other idiot interrupting my or any family's lives with their lunacy being taken away in cuffs on second offence and charged and convicted of misdemeanor and a stiff fine for doing so.

Maybe you missed it, but the US and Canada and most any country have laws that do not accommodate any and every wacko religious notion.

But any country not ruled by religion is not free, we get it. Go join Real uno, now.




Nnanji -> RE: Russia offically bans Jehovah Witnesses (4/23/2017 4:54:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
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Jehovah's Witnesses are pansies though, easy enough to push around. Like practically all other Christian groups they never commit terrorist acts these days. Christians have grown up, so to speak
...

Interestingly it was these very "pansies" who were the only "Christian" group who stood up to Hitler during WWII and called him out for who and what he was and were thrown into the concentration camps for it, while the other "stouthearted" "Christian" groups cowered in fear.



So long as your idea of 'standing up' means letting yourself be destroyed, sure.


Actually, even though Hitler said he would exterminate them and had them also put to death, more wittnesses came out of the camps than went in. If that is what you call being destroyed.

I knew Hitler send JW's to the camps. I didn't know more came out than went in. So I'll, respectfully, ask for a citation.




Nnanji -> RE: Russia offically bans Jehovah Witnesses (4/23/2017 4:57:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I don't consider them a cult so much as fucking annoying.

They are a cult. A member is not allowed to associate with non-members. If you leave the church then your family, assuming they are in the church, is not allowed to associate with you.




Nnanji -> RE: Russia offically bans Jehovah Witnesses (4/23/2017 4:59:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: Real0ne

yeh they are fighting a religious war of their + us + uk's making. SSDD.

If someone would not stop pissing in your cheerios youd be a murderous medieval bastard as well.[/color]

I spent a bit of time being a murderous medieval bastard and no one pissed in my cheerios.


And you know what, thank you for your service. Sometimes a murderous medieval bastard is just what's needed. Few can do it, so we salute those that can.




Nnanji -> RE: Russia offically bans Jehovah Witnesses (4/23/2017 5:05:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/russia-supreme-court-bans-jehovahs-witnesses-170533124.html

It never cease to amaze me that my country and NOW, Russia too, have decided that Jehovah Witnesses are more dangerous than Muslims.

What universe is this?

Jehovah Witnesses barely committed any terrorist act and they get banned. A whole Christian Religion!

Yet, nobody is taking any action on Islam.

What it comes down to is; what do you consider to be dangerous?

In a "totalitarian dictatorship", what is wanted is the complete control of the hearts and minds of their nation and JWs being spiritual warriors will fight them tooth and nail for those same hearts and minds, which make them even more dangerous extremists in the eyes of the government than the Muslims who could care less about hearts and minds and just want to kill and destroy indiscriminately.

Thus JWs get banned and Islam pretty much gets a free pass.

Miles...Islam gets a pass because Iran is funding idiots blowing things up. JW's for the most part are peaceful and are pacifists. You can fuck with peaceful pacifists.




thompsonx -> RE: Russia offically bans Jehovah Witnesses (4/23/2017 5:24:51 PM)


ORIGINAL: Nnanji
They are a cult. A member is not allowed to associate with non-members. If you leave the church then your family, assuming they are in the church, is not allowed to associate with you.


Cite please




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