Nnanji
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So how far are we going to roll it back?
Are we going to be conservatives who tell people to clean up their own fucking mess or are we going to be liberals and have to raise taxes so that those poor people (corps are people remember) don't have to clean up after themselves?
Why roll it back at all. Why not make every elected official read and approve every regulation that is written regarding any law they pass. That way the elected officials and not the environmental zealots are in charge of the regulations. That's what they're freaking elected to do.
In the case, for instance, of Campbell's soup above, why not make it a functional permit liability. If Campbell's Soup actually discharges bad things into the river, fine them until it bleeds. As it is now the city inspectors wonder around and say things like, oh, that valve should've been opened/closed at such and such a time, here's your violation notice even though what you're doing won't affect the environment. They regulate process rather than outcome.
I was building a sewage treatment plant. Wanted to use ultra violet light for a disinfection process. The state said, "Oh, we've never used that brand of lights before so if you do a two year study and double the amount of light that you really need then maybe we'll let you." And, "oh," the state further said, "the consultant you are using once questioned us on a decision we made so if you continue to use him we'll never approve your project no matter what your two year study results show." So the state theocracy imposed brand names accepted by them and only if those brand names were applied for by acolytes of the church.
As far as your sewage treatment plant, was it the state or was it an individual who may or may not have been getting kickbacks from the people they wanted you to use?
As for your Campbell's soup example, IF you actually know about this stuff, you would know that process Is that CAUSES outcome.
Proper process leads to good outcome.
Bad processes lead to shit outcome.
If a plant operator doesn't do what he is supposed to, then he will have bad results and the taxpayers will feel the burden.
Of course, there are some around here who think the poor corporations shouldn't have to be responsible for their shit. Everyone else should have to deal with it.
Fuckin Leftists.
If you knew anything you'd know what I learned back in the 80's. We can design and build processes for years and meet all of the regulations then we turn a finished product over to operators. Those operators are all licensed by the state. If they operate a system and it discharges bad things into a river they lose their license, can be fined and can go to jail. They all take pride in operating their systems to highest standards with the best outcome possible as a goal. Then you have some inspector come in and fine the plant for some process change, without testing what the change will affect. It's idiocy with way to much power given to a government functionary simply to generate money to insure their own job security. Oh, and who pays for it? The rate payers. So you prefer the tax payers to pay for the religious system now in place.
You're an idiot because you have no idea what you're talking about yet you keep talking.
Translation "I have nothing so I'll just attack the poster who called me on my bullshit"
Do you ever wonder why in a previous post I quoted the 2016/2017 Hazardous Materials, Substances & Waste Compliance Guide"?
It's not something you see at Borders
Because I have a copy on my desk
Another in my Response bag
And another at home.
It's what I do for a living.
I began working in Haz spill response in 1979.
If you knew HALF what you claim you learned in the 80's you'd know that Good processes greatly increase the chance of good results to approach 100%
Bad processes WILL lead to bad results to approach 100%
Stop trying to use some power mad local fuckwit to try to say the EPA is wrong.
The EPA is the only thing that keeps the taxpayers from footing ALL the bill.
Ever heard about "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"?
Would you rather the consumers pay for the prevention or the taxpayers pay for the cure?
Ya, well all have one of those little books that tell you what the number means inside the diamond on the overturned truck. Big deal, they're handed out free. You looked up what mortar was made from and tried to quote like that meant something to you. So you get to a spill site and someone tells you to direct traffic or set up the wash tent. You obviously don't know much beyond that.
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