WinsomeDefiance
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If both parties are wrong, then the only "victim" is our potential for having our Constitutional Rights stripped away by the abuse of extremists behavior.
I can say ANTIFA was wrong, when they went from being protestors to rioting, because they WERE WRONG.
The same goes for Neo-Nazis.
I have never once supported Trump for President, neither did I vote for him. I avoid denigrating President Trump, simply out of a personal sense of distaste of badmouthing our President. I do not share his beliefs, condone the behavior of the man and I won't be sorry to see him out of Office. However, it my belief that The President, has very little actual power so I'm now focused on the levels of government in place to prevent our President from wreaking too much harm.
Yes, the ugly, the deplorable and the extreme are emboldened. That only means a voice of reason and respect for humanity needs to hold itself to a higher standard and those who abuse their rights need to be held accountable. No matter who they are or what they stand for. It doesn't mean they don't have a basic right, in America, under the parameters set forth by our Constitution, to be assholes with a shitty point of view.
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How I see it:
1. Armed Neo-Nazi White Supremacists (sorta redundant) are not DEFENDERS of Free Speach. They were (at Charlottesville) citizens exercising their right to free speach AND exercising their right to bear arms.
2. Neither group, (ANTIFA or White Supremists) support nor do they DEFEND free speach. If they did, they wouldn't be so hell bent on denying their counterparts (races, ethnic origins, political ideologies etc) the very rights they are abusing.
3. Defending our Constitutional Rights - in whole - is not being an apologist for what is a blight and an embarrassment of what we, as American's should be supporting as well as an egregious slap in the face of those human rights activists who fought for civil liberties.
4. Defending our Constitutional Rights - is holding those rights in trust for future generations to exercise those rights. Abusing them, as BOTH sides have done, puts those very rights at risk and is counterintuitive to what any American should be standing firm on no matter their political ideology.
There's more but the above summarized most of my thoughts on this matter.
If someone uses violence against those who would deny others basic human rights based on race or religion, it doesn't make them equal to their 'victims'.
You can say that antifa was wrong to use violence here, but they are still not on the level of Trump, the KKK or the Nazis, because unlike them, they are 'fighting' for a more inclusive society while Trump and co. want a more exclusive one.
It is an important and necessary distinction to make, especially when you're evoking the Constitution and rights.
The election of Trump poses a very serious threat to traditional western values... even if he is too incompetent to do everything he wants to or is held in check by the people around him, he has normalized something that could lead to very dark places, and a lot of people recognize that.
You can see a lot of similarities to Nazi Germany before the Reichstag fire... I don't think Trump is as clever or capable as Hitler, but it is fair to say that he is to antifa what Hitler was to the communists.
The fascists are emboldened, and this is scary to people who care about western values.
It's about Trump, but it's also about what comes next.
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