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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/13/2017 8:31:52 PM

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 4:53:57 AM

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I wonder whether a statue of Gen. Sherman erected in the deep south would be welcomed as "remembering our history."

I'm guessing . . . not.

Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe delivers a strong message many say should have come from the President. McAuliffe addressed the nation, condemning specific racist groups. Here's part of what he said:

"I have a message to all the white supremacists and the Nazis who came into Charlottesville today. Our message is plain and simple. Go home. You are not wanted in this great commonwealth. Shame on you. You pretend that you're patriots, but you are anything but a patriot."

"You came here today to hurt people, and you did hurt people. But my message is clear, we are stronger than you. You have made our commonwealth stronger. You will not succeed. There is no place for you here, there is no place for you in America."

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 4:59:31 AM

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It's rather hypocritical of the Left who preaches about not singling Islam out when condemning terrorists, SUDDENLY want white people specifically to be singled out?

Why the double standards?

Infact, maybe they should be like, "Good Job Trump for not singling out white people, now, let's see you do that on Muslim Terrorists too."

For them to stay consistent on their message.

And no matter what, this whole thing is so ridiculous.

White Supremacy is a Hate Group. That's their title. Everyone know they are a Hate Group.

Trump says we need to stop this infighting between each other, as he doesn't want Americans to be killing each other. There is no need for him to stress that such violence is coming from a Home grown Hate Group, as it's already universally recognized as a Hate Group. Which American in the USA isn't aware that Neo-Nazi is a hate group?

It's very different when the violence from a Peaceful Group who claim to be peaceful and majority of Americans still think it is peaceful. He needs to single them out. Because they claim to be for peace. And their actions contradict their message.

These White Supremacy groups are openly not about peace with minorities.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 5:04:15 AM

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how do you arrive at that bit of asswipe?

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 5:06:19 AM

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how do you arrive at that bit of asswipe?

The left needs to make up their mind. Do we single out all terrorism by race and religion or affiliated political groups OR do we not?

IF they can't say the word, "Islamic Terrorism" then why must Trump say more specific words towards White Supremacy?

They aren't being consistent.

(But their crying is about winning votes in next election. Good opportunity to make Trump look bad. And Republicans speaking out are about damage control, as the seasoned politicians are more PR and realise this could be very damaging to the black history problem, Trump will never be politically correct.)

PS: Ya know what I love about White Supremacists? They wear their intentions on their sleeves. I got spat on by a Neo Nazi in the US. I have literally spoken to Neo Nazi online who told me that if I was there, they would have killed me. (And just to explain, I am into Punk/skinhead music, within that community, there are alot of skinheads who identify as neo nazi and are openly racists and about white supremacy, so inevitably, even online when you are mingling with people who love the same bands. When they find out I am chinese, everything turns very very hostile. I always save up to watch my favourite bands overseas, whether in the US/UK/Australia, I have a bucket list of bands I NEED to watch before I die, and that's when I meet them)

As a minority race. I know how they react and treat people of my colour. But they don't pretend or hide behind and pretend to be peaceful. They tell you openly they want to kill you. For me in a way, it's like enemies but honourable warning that my life will be at risk in their presence so stay away.

Huge difference from Muslims who are pretending to be your friend. But something else behind.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 5:15:58 AM

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how do you arrive at that bit of asswipe?

The left needs to make up their mind. Do we single out all terrorism by race and religion or affiliated political groups OR do we not?

IF they can't say the word, "Islamic Terrorism" then why must Trump say more specific words towards White Supremacy?

They aren't being consistent.

So which moslem terrorists were given a free pass to continue terrorist activities and attacks on protestors in the 'States, Greta? I'd be grateful if you could point at the news stories about that, as I seem to have missed them.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 5:23:48 AM

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So which moslem terrorists were given a free pass to continue terrorist activities and attacks on protestors in the 'States, Greta? I'd be grateful if you could point at the news stories about that, as I seem to have missed them.

If ISIS wants to organize a rally in the US. The First Amendment will allow it.

US is not Europe.

Just that the Muslims see no purpose or benefit to them to hold a rally in the US as they aren't looking to recruit White people as their members. Also, to openly hold a rally to recruit people to carry out terrorism activities would be detrimental to their terrorism plans. They are just more organised.

When White Supremacy holds such a rally in a white country. It's a recruitment drive. They are trying to find more white people to join them and support their cause.

Whole different thing.

ISIS got social media world wide recruitment down to an art. They know the rallies will be useless in helping them expand.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 5:25:48 AM

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So which moslem terrorists were given a free pass to continue terrorist activities and attacks on protestors in the 'States, Greta? I'd be grateful if you could point at the news stories about that, as I seem to have missed them.

If ISIS wants to organize a rally in the US. The First Amendment will allow it.

US is not Europe.

Just that the Muslims see no purpose or benefit to them to hold a rally in the US as they aren't looking to recruit White people as their members.

So the white supremacists weren't allowed to hold a rally, is that what you're saying?
Weird: there was me thinking all of the aggro had been caused by them doing so, and making a point of picking a fight with protestors when they did.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 5:27:23 AM

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I am saying that white supremacists probably would not be allowed to hold a rally in Europe.

But with the US, any evil organizations can hold rallies. They are all free to do so.

Europe has no First Amendment preventing them from regulating Hate Recruitment Drive.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 5:33:49 AM

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I am saying that white supremacists probably would not be allowed to hold a rally in Europe.

But with the US, any evil organizations can hold rallies. They are all free to do so.

Europe has no First Amendment preventing them from regulating Hate Recruitment Drive.

No, you said that daesh wouldn't be allowed to hold a rally in the 'States, which isn't the same thing at all.
As for Europe outlawing protests that are protected by the first amendment in the 'States, I fear you've been misinformed there.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 5:50:41 AM

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No, you said that daesh wouldn't be allowed to hold a rally in the 'States, which isn't the same thing at all.

Please quote me where did I say that?

I bet Europe will never allow for example a Nazi March or a Nazi Rally to happen.
I think you are being dishonest if you think Europe will allow Neo Nazi to hold their rallies.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 5:50:43 AM

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What a pathetic sniveling ugly racist little man the president is,
As are his supporters

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 5:52:56 AM

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No, you said that daesh wouldn't be allowed to hold a rally in the 'States, which isn't the same thing at all.

Please quote me where did I say that?

I bet Europe will never allow for example a Nazi March or a Nazi Rally to happen.
I think you are being dishonest if you think Europe will allow Neo Nazi to hold their rallies.

My bad, misread what you were saying.
That doesn't make your ridiculous point about free speech not being allowed in Europe true, though.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 6:00:15 AM

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Many people are saying that yesterday's appalling incident was a spur of the moment thing, a rash act. Most people are now describing it as a terrorist act and a hate crime. But these two statements don't sit easily together, even if the murder turns out to be an unplanned sudden outpouring of rage.

The hate that motivated this killer wasn't born an instant before he decided to drive his car into a group of anti-fascist and anti-racist Americans. It wasn't a natural act. The hate that motivated him was a long time festering and churning inside him, nurtured by the ugly politics of the far Right, white supremacy and groups like the KKK. 'White nationalist' politics, seen as fringe only a year or two ago, have slowly been infiltrating the mainstream of US politics, fuelled by platforms such as Breitbart and individuals such as Trump and Bannon, who have given a certain respectability to it. In this context, Trump's refusal to explicitly condemn the far Right thugs is especially significant.

Is the US at a crossroads? Is it time for those mainstream politicians, who like Trump have been flirting with the far Right, stirring racial tensions and marginalising minorities, to decide (or be forced to decide) between their sympathy for the politics of far Right thuggery and conventional politics? To what extent has the dalliance between the forces of hate and the politicians who have harnessed these ugly forces to gain office laid the ground for terrorist acts such as we have just witnessed? What should happen if Trump refuses to distance himself and the office he occupies from these thugs? Is it time for the US to declare itself a zero tolerance zone for far Right thuggery and hate?

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 6:15:52 AM

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Is the US at a crossroads? Is it time for those mainstream politicians, who like Trump have been flirting with the far Right, stirring racial tensions and marginalising minorities, to decide (or be forced to decide) between their sympathy for the politics of far Right thuggery and conventional politics? To what extent has the dalliance between the forces of hate and the politicians who have harnessed these ugly forces to gain office laid the ground for terrorist acts such as we have just witnessed? What should happen if Trump refuses to distance himself and the office he occupies from these thugs? Is it time for the US to declare itself a zero tolerance zone for far Right thuggery and hate?

El presidente is incapable of doing so, or even being able to adopt a consistent stance on the lunatic fringe of the right as they were a big element in his election, but he doesn't want the more mainstream elements of the Republican party to regard him as part of that movement. So he does the mealy mouth, he evades and ties himself into knots to weasel out of condemning the deplorables (which might trigger a nasty backlash from shitehawks who thought he was speaking for them with some o the drivel he spouted while campaigning), or excusing and trying to co-opt them (which will trigger a backlash from the rest of his 26%).
You could almost feel sorry for the shitgibbon over the dilemma he's got himself into over this if it wasn't self-inflicted.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 6:24:41 AM

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Is the US at a crossroads? Is it time for those mainstream politicians, who like Trump have been flirting with the far Right, stirring racial tensions and marginalising minorities, to decide (or be forced to decide) between their sympathy for the politics of far Right thuggery and conventional politics? To what extent has the dalliance between the forces of hate and the politicians who have harnessed these ugly forces to gain office laid the ground for terrorist acts such as we have just witnessed? What should happen if Trump refuses to distance himself and the office he occupies from these thugs? Is it time for the US to declare itself a zero tolerance zone for far Right thuggery and hate?

El presidente is incapable of doing so, or even being able to adopt a consistent stance on the lunatic fringe of the right as they were a big element in his election, but he doesn't want the more mainstream elements of the Republican party to regard him as part of that movement. So he does the mealy mouth, he evades and ties himself into knots to weasel out of condemning the deplorables (which might trigger a nasty backlash from shitehawks who thought he was speaking for them with some o the drivel he spouted while campaigning), or excusing and trying to co-opt them (which will trigger a backlash from the rest of his 26%).
You could almost feel sorry for the shitgibbon over the dilemma he's got himself into over this if it wasn't self-inflicted.

Tell you what

When the Democrat politicians stand up to the violent communists, antifa and Black Lies Madder terrorists and Hate America First! groups, etc, we might stop laughing at you and your your mad howling about those awful white people who don't know their place

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 6:26:50 AM

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Is the US at a crossroads? Is it time for those mainstream politicians, who like Trump have been flirting with the far Right, stirring racial tensions and marginalising minorities, to decide (or be forced to decide) between their sympathy for the politics of far Right thuggery and conventional politics? To what extent has the dalliance between the forces of hate and the politicians who have harnessed these ugly forces to gain office laid the ground for terrorist acts such as we have just witnessed? What should happen if Trump refuses to distance himself and the office he occupies from these thugs? Is it time for the US to declare itself a zero tolerance zone for far Right thuggery and hate?

El presidente is incapable of doing so, or even being able to adopt a consistent stance on the lunatic fringe of the right as they were a big element in his election, but he doesn't want the more mainstream elements of the Republican party to regard him as part of that movement. So he does the mealy mouth, he evades and ties himself into knots to weasel out of condemning the deplorables (which might trigger a nasty backlash from shitehawks who thought he was speaking for them with some o the drivel he spouted while campaigning), or excusing and trying to co-opt them (which will trigger a backlash from the rest of his 26%).
You could almost feel sorry for the shitgibbon over the dilemma he's got himself into over this if it wasn't self-inflicted.

Tell you what

When the Democrat politicians stand up to the violent communists, antifa and Black Lies Madder terrorists etc, we might stop laughing at you and your your mad howling about those awful white people who don't know their place

Which democrat politician is running your country at the moment, then? I know you're still insisting that everything is her fault, but Clinton lost the election last year.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 6:28:46 AM

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- antifa is a reaction to the neo-Nazis. You have the cart pulling the horse.
- BLM is hardly terrorist.
- there is no hate america first group.

There ARE people who are full of shit, however.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/14/2017 6:39:54 AM

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- antifa is a reaction to the neo-Nazis. You have the cart pulling the horse.
- BLM is hardly terrorist.
- there is no hate america first group.

There ARE people who are full of shit, however.

Violent antifa howlers have been savaging women and old people and others who go to hear speeches or attend Trump rallies. This has been well documented, that you choose to be ignorant of their Nazi tactics just makes you another wild-eyed howler as bad as they

Black Lies Madder is indeed terrorist, especially toward the police and any innocent whites caught at the wrong place and wrong time. Again, well documented

Democrats are the largest hate America First! group, and it leads and trains many others. Seeks to destroy America as we know it through their radical no-borders push, the thorough destruction of the economy by making as many Americans totally dependent on government handouts as possible, and the dumbing down of our schools and colleges etc.

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