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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
But, the point I was making was that not all “bad” things people do are of equal “badness”. Trying to force a kiss on an adult woman is not the same “badness” as forcing an underage child to do unspeakable things.

This is seriously not true at all. They are both just as bad and unacceptable. EQUALLY!

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Yeah, I have no fucking clue what the OP is rambling on about either.

I have tried to be courteous to you, even though you've been little more than a douche-canoe to me. let me see if I can break this down for you, you Howdy-Doody-looking neophyte:

First off: How the blue fuck does a four sentence post qualify as a "ramble"? Really? Then, you are one rambling mother fucker on several occasions. Beyond that ...

My point was: in the last few weeks we seem to have been treated to the likes of Ben Affleck and other SJW types admitting that they were cognizant of Weinstein's proclivities. They go on to insinuate that he was so powerful they dared not speak out about the abuse (this put's that Kory kid's testimony into new light).

Sometimes, doing the right thing incurs a cost. They didn't want to lose their careers. Boo-Fuckin'-Hoo.

For decades (some reports say), they have remained silent and thereby enabled the behavior. Then, they have the unmitigated gall to lecture us about morality? Fuck them.

Michael

Was that so hard? Get it off your chest, dude. Don't be all vague and shit; say what you mean.

One at a time, without proof, the complaints against Weinstein, Cosby, Bubba Clinton, Woody Allen, etc etc amount to nothing. Attention seeking sluts going after their 15 minutes of fame, and trying to get some money out of a man with power. A media hit job, tabloid fodder. Especially when you have the mentality that no matter how fat & ugly a dude is, celebrity status and a shitload of money is enough to be rolling in pussy. That chick's just mad she lost out on a part to a better actress.

But when the accusations start mounting up, it's easier to believe, regardless of no conviction. Especially when the accusations are from names you know. OMG, Ashley Judd, Gwenyth Paltrow, Kate Beckinsale... Ah yeah, then it gets more serious.

I do believe that there has been a massively concerted cover-up for at least the last 2 decades.

What really shocks me is that the predatory Hollywood producer is essentially a cliché at this point, and now that people are coming out and saying it's real, some people are shocked.

I honestly think that the difference is here is that you actually have famous actresses admitting that they are human beings, not the objects they appear to be in the movies.

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Personally, I don't know Weinstein, do you? You seem ready to lynch him, yet there is no "proof" of what you accuse him of, usually courts don't accept his word against mine. If there is proof, I will let the courts decide what to do with him. I think that's the way this country supposed to work, innocent till proven guilty.

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Interesting Lucy. You claim to dislike it when women are exploited, yet when a man takes steps to ensure that a woman will not be exploited, forced, harassed, et cetera, you call them a talibangical and accuse them of being part of the sharia-lite.

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Pences stance on women isnt unusual, he is sharia lite, a talibangelical,
just like anyone else trying to take away the rights of women.

That was from a thread discussing Mike Pence's policy on not dining alone with women.

So. . . you don't want women to be exploited by nasty men, yet men are evil and nasty for ensuring that there will be no exploitation of women.

How do you hold those two conflicting thoughts in your head at the same time?

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I realize the importance of consent; the trouble is what is consent? Everyone here should be aware of the difficulty of consent.

It's not difficult. Just ask and if a woman says NO. Even if she is the type of who means Yes when she says NO. Just don't do it! Tell her that you are a gentleman and you will not kiss her or touch her until she tells you it's okay to do so because you respect her. I don't think it's ruining any moment to simply say, "I wish I could kiss you right now!" And if she says, "Do it!" Or she might just kiss you first. You are gonna be fine! Or she might just smile and say nothing, this means she does not want you to kiss her!

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presumably because the guy was on the left

You've still yet to show your working out that he's on the left.

How many politicians from the right did Weinstein contribute to?

By the by...an interesting aside: Hillary Clinton has stated that she gives 10% of her income to charitable causes. She noted that her contributions from Weinstein will be "part of (not separate from) that 10 % this year".

And this:

http://www.realclearlife.com/politics/clinton-foundation-will-not-return-money-donated-harvey-weinstein/

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shrivelling? why?
what makes you say that?

Because none of the SJWs are outraged about Harvey Weinstein, and only the ultra-right wing New York Times had the balls to bring the story to everyone's attention.

This is what the right actually thinks.

Courtney Love brought it to everyone's attention in 2005. And was promptly banned by her agency for doing so.

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shrivelling? why?
what makes you say that?

Because none of the SJWs are outraged about Harvey Weinstein, and only the ultra-right wing New York Times had the balls to bring the story to everyone's attention.

This is what the right actually thinks.

Courtney Love brought it to everyone's attention in 2005. And was promptly banned by her agency for doing so.

I have enjoyed Courtney's films that I've seen and much of her music, but vague comments isn't really 'bringing it to everyone's attention'. She also said these things on the red carpet of a comedy event, so no one knew how seriously to take the comment. She has also stated that she has never been his victim, so anything she has to say is coming secondhand.

I am surprised she didn't raise hell about being banned by the casting agency when she found out about it.

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A person can give consent for a severe “spanking”, marks are “okay” and get up go straight to the police and the Dom is going to have a hard time explaining what “consent” means to a judge.

So don't leave marks on any woman to protect yourself. If not, you better make sure you really know the woman very well that you are spanking BEFORE you leave marks on her.

You must never trust a woman you barely know, whatever she says is okay, doesn't mean it's okay.

I give you an example. I was 13 yr old when a boy from school I was hanging out with, asked me to be his girlfriend. The problem was, I had to spend the rest of the day with him. And I felt it would be awkward if I didn't agree to be his GF and I was afraid he would get mean. So I lied and say okay. When we got into lift that day, as he thought we were "bf/gf" already, he tried to kiss me. I had to push him off and told him, it's too soon! I literally had to push his face away from mine quite aggressively. I was shaking and so upset that he tried to kiss me.

I totally had no interest in him at all and couldn't wait for my dreadful day to be over.

Somehow by the next day, he has brag to the entire school that I was his GF. And I had to break up with him the next day, saying, that I change my mind. I am not interested in a relationship. I did it in public in school, infront of alot of people, because I know he wouldn't make a scene if alot of people are looking. And I would be safe from him.

Same reason when he cornered me in private, I couldn't tell him No, as I was afraid of his negative reaction. I didn't know him well enough if he would harm me. I was alone with him. I was scared. And I don't know why, even at 13, I was always realistic that a man could physically harm me if he is angry with me. So I try not to be alone with a man IF I was gonna say something to piss him off, like reject his advances. I wanted an audience if he tried to hurt me so that if I get hurt, I got witnesses.

So this is what i mean. If you don't know a woman well enough. Don't do anything too crazy. She might be too scared to tell you the truth. And then you might just be insensitive and blockheaded enough not sense her distress, like this idiot boy of mine and actually transgress against me. (Oh, I just remembered why I was so fearful, I was 13. I was already molested when I was 10 and 12 by two different guys.)

That's why I like online dating so much! Because you can vet the guy if he is a violent person BEFORE you have physical contact with him. At least for me, it's always accurate. I can vet men through online and know for sure if he is violent type or not towards women. I have never been hit by a guy before in my life. Because I vet them carefully for violence.

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I know that she's talking about the lifetime ban now, but I haven't seen anything from when it actually happened.

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I hate to do this, but I have to agree with lunylastic.

Consent is a huge thing ... except even lucy seems to be arguing a different dynamic and it's one I find interesting.

"a friendly kiss" is mentioned. We'd have to define that. I come from immigrant European upbringing. We kiss on the cheeks. That is "normal" for us.

However, there are some professional victims that will object even to that. I would call that a "friendly kiss", but I'd be out-voted. Especially since the individual on the receiving end is the one that gets to make the rules. If she's vibing on you, you're golden. If she isn't, you're a quasi-rapist.

As a result, I've given up on my ingrained greeting except with people I know. More's the pity. Personal contact is a necessity for good mental health and it seems the inmates are running the asylum.



Michael

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I realize the importance of consent; the trouble is what is consent? Everyone here should be aware of the difficulty of consent.
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To make it simple: a "No" is not to complicate a mating ritual but a clear expression of "no consent". Get it.

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I realize the importance of consent; the trouble is what is consent? Everyone here should be aware of the difficulty of consent.
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To make it simple: a "No" is not to complicate a mating ritual but a clear expression of "no consent". Get it.

Where did you grow up in a jar?

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aaaaaah so women should be glad they werent forced to do unspeakable things as children and get over it...how dare they.
thankyou for playing,

Yeah right that's what I'm saying and you're an idiot as well.
Thanx for playing.

Bless your heart....you dont get to tell anyone how they feel about being touched, harassed, groped, assaulted, raped without permission.

Im not discussing Just BDSM
Im talking real life.
its time to get real
It is an issue, a very real issue. for millions of women

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Personally, I don't know Weinstein, do you? You seem ready to lynch him, yet there is no "proof" of what you accuse him of, usually courts don't accept his word against mine. If there is proof, I will let the courts decide what to do with him. I think that's the way this country supposed to work, innocent till proven guilty.

I have to ask. Have you read the article that appeared in the NY Times? Have you read the response Weinstein has written that has also been linked to the article? Have you read any of the statements made by former employee's of his company?

If you have, what is your determination? Considering how many women have come forward, recounting the same MO of how the situations occurred, what type settings they were occurring in, from people who would have no reason to have the same details regarding the incidents, are you really thinking he didn't do this?

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I realize the importance of consent; the trouble is what is consent? Everyone here should be aware of the difficulty of consent.
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To make it simple: a "No" is not to complicate a mating ritual but a clear expression of "no consent". Get it.

Where did you grow up in a jar?

Did your parents never tell you that "no" means "no"?

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I realize the importance of consent; the trouble is what is consent? Everyone here should be aware of the difficulty of consent.
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To make it simple: a "No" is not to complicate a mating ritual but a clear expression of "no consent". Get it.

Where did you grow up in a jar?

Did your parents never tell you that "no" means "no"?

Did your parents ever tell you anything?

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I think I already answered this; I will let the courts decide what to do with him. I think that's the way this country supposed to work, innocent till proven guilty.

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I think I already answered this; I will let the courts decide what to do with him. I think that's the way this country supposed to work, innocent till proven guilty.