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So it's 3rd Quarter of Trump Presidency, how many prefer Pence now?


Pence is better than Trump for President
  66% (6)
Pence is worst than Trump for President
  33% (3)


Total Votes : 9
(last vote on : 10/17/2017 9:42:53 AM)
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Greta75 -> So it's 3rd Quarter of Trump Presidency, how many prefer Pence now? (10/16/2017 7:17:29 PM)

I was reading some articles who were arguing that although Pence is eloquent and quiet and would be better behaved and potentially not embarrass America as much as Trump is doing. But he is as extreme far right as a Right leaning person could be which IF Trump gets impeached, could be a even worst case scenario happening!

How many people believe Pence is better than Trump now? Vote!





heavyblinker -> RE: So it's 3rd Quarter of Trump Presidency, how many prefer Pence now? (10/16/2017 7:24:12 PM)

I used to prefer Pence but I actually prefer Trump now.




JVoV -> RE: So it's 3rd Quarter of Trump Presidency, how many prefer Pence now? (10/16/2017 7:37:57 PM)

Pence still scares me more.




LTE -> RE: So it's 3rd Quarter of Trump Presidency, how many prefer Pence now? (10/16/2017 7:54:45 PM)

This is late first quarter.




Danemora -> RE: So it's 3rd Quarter of Trump Presidency, how many prefer Pence now? (10/16/2017 8:05:51 PM)

~FRing it~

I havent researched Pence much, so I dont know his stance. From what Ive seen of Trump so far, Im honestly not impressed. He appears highly unstable...like a Kim Jong Un light. Less brutal in the dictator department because Un actually takes that category in a sweep. But they both come unhinged easily. Both are a batshit crazy enough to actually worry me that these two chuckleheads have nukes to be in charge of. I do have children Id actually like to be able to see grow up. Both men are out-of-touch egomaniacs.

So isnt choosing between trying to decide if you want to be fucked by someone with a concertina wire condom or a dude wearing molten lava for a jimmy hat? Not sure which is worse...but I do know its gonna hurt like a motherfucker either way.

Mark me as (C) None of the Above




BamaD -> RE: So it's 3rd Quarter of Trump Presidency, how many prefer Pence now? (10/16/2017 8:22:35 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

I was reading some articles who were arguing that although Pence is eloquent and quiet and would be better behaved and potentially not embarrass America as much as Trump is doing. But he is as extreme far right as a Right leaning person could be which IF Trump gets impeached, could be a even worst case scenario happening!

How many people believe Pence is better than Trump now? Vote!



Since I preferred Pence from day one this doesn't represent any change.




Greta75 -> RE: So it's 3rd Quarter of Trump Presidency, how many prefer Pence now? (10/16/2017 8:26:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Danemora

Mark me as (C) None of the Above

But there is really no choice.
Until 2020, your choices are Trump or Pence for President. Unless Pence get impeached too, then I don't know who is next in line.

That's why my poll options are, Trump is better than Pence, or Pence is Better than Trump options.

Obviously I know many would prefer Hillary as their first choice. But that's not a legal option.




Greta75 -> RE: So it's 3rd Quarter of Trump Presidency, how many prefer Pence now? (10/16/2017 8:27:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LTE

This is late first quarter.


What do you mean? He just started in February.




Danemora -> RE: So it's 3rd Quarter of Trump Presidency, how many prefer Pence now? (10/16/2017 8:29:25 PM)

Trump could be killed and Pence is foisted on me, but either way Im screwed until 2020. And then, I guarantee Im voting for ANYONE but a Republican. Ill write in my damned cat before Id vote for either one if you want the honest truth.




DaddySatyr -> RE: So it's 3rd Quarter of Trump Presidency, how many prefer Pence now? (10/16/2017 11:20:12 PM)


I was an ABC voter ([A]nyone [B]ut [C]linton), but that doesn't really answer your question.

I would prefer VP Pence over President Trump, simply for the dignity of the method of message delivery, but I think they want (essentially) the same agenda.



Michael




MrRodgers -> RE: So it's 3rd Quarter of Trump Presidency, how many prefer Pence now? (10/16/2017 11:27:46 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LTE

This is late first quarter.

Yep, 3rd qtr will be 2019 if he makes it that far. If he gets off fucking Twitter, it would calm everybody down. He talks too much.




Greta75 -> RE: So it's 3rd Quarter of Trump Presidency, how many prefer Pence now? (10/16/2017 11:29:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


quote:

ORIGINAL: LTE

This is late first quarter.

Yep, 3rd qtr will be 2019 if he makes it that far. If he gets off fucking Twitter, it would calm everybody down. He talks too much.

Obviously you Americans calculate things different from me. Base on Trump starting Presidential work in Feb.

Feb/Mar/Apr - First Quarter
May/June/July - Second Quarter
August/Sept/Oct - Third Quarter
Nov/Dec/Jan - Fourth Quarter

That's how it works for me.




Lucylastic -> RE: So it's 3rd Quarter of Trump Presidency, how many prefer Pence now? (10/16/2017 11:44:44 PM)

Interesting piece on pence from the New Yorker.
Its a long piece, so Im just posting the first part...

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/23/the-danger-of-president-pence
Trump’s critics yearn for his exit. But Mike Pence, the corporate right’s inside man, poses his own risks.

By Jane Mayer
In September 14th, the right-wing pundit Ann Coulter, who last year published a book titled “In Trump We Trust,” expressed what a growing number of Americans, including conservatives, have been feeling since the 2016 election. The previous day, President Trump had dined with Democratic leaders at the White House, and had impetuously agreed to a major policy reversal, granting provisional residency to undocumented immigrants who came to America as children. Republican legislators were blindsided. Within hours, Trump disavowed the deal, then reaffirmed it. Coulter tweeted, “At this point, who doesn’t want Trump impeached?” She soon added, “If we’re not getting a wall, I’d prefer President Pence.”
Trump’s swerve did the unthinkable—uniting Coulter and liberal commentators. After Trump threatened to “totally destroy” North Korea, Gail Collins, the Times columnist, praised Vice-President Mike Pence as someone who at least “seems less likely to get the planet blown up.” This summer, an opinion column by Dana Milbank, of the Washington Post, appeared under the headline “ ‘president pence’ is sounding better and better.”
Pence, who has dutifully stood by the President, mustering a devotional gaze rarely seen since the days of Nancy Reagan, serves as a daily reminder that the Constitution offers an alternative to Trump. The worse the President looks, the more desirable his understudy seems. The more Trump is mired in scandal, the more likely Pence’s elevation to the Oval Office becomes, unless he ends up legally entangled as well.
Pence’s odds of becoming President are long but not prohibitive. Of his forty-seven predecessors, nine eventually assumed the Presidency, because of a death or a resignation. After Lyndon Johnson decided to join the ticket with John F. Kennedy, he calculated his odds of ascension to be approximately one in four, and is said to have told Clare Boothe Luce, “I’m a gambling man, darling, and this is the only chance I’ve got.”

If the job is a gamble for Pence, he himself is something of a gamble for the country. During the tumultuous 2016 Presidential campaign, relatively little attention was paid to how Pence was chosen, or to his political record. And, with all the infighting in the new Administration, few have focussed on Pence’s power within the White House. Newt Gingrich told me recently that the three people with the most policy influence in the Administration are Trump, Chief of Staff John Kelly, and Pence. Gingrich went on, “Others have some influence, such as Jared Kushner and Gary Cohn. But look at the schedule. Pence has lunches with the President. He’s in the national-security briefings.” Moreover, and crucially, Pence is the only official in the White House who can’t be fired.
Pence, who declined requests for an interview, is also one of the few with whom Trump hasn’t overtly feuded. “The President considers him one of his best decisions,” Tony Fabrizio, a pollster for Trump, told me. Even so, they are almost comically mismatched. “You end up with an odd pair of throwbacks from fifties casting,” the former White House strategist Stephen Bannon joked, comparing them to Dean Martin, the bad boy of the Rat Pack, and “the dad on ‘Leave It to Beaver.’ ”

Trump and Pence are misaligned politically, too. Trump campaigned as an unorthodox outsider, but Pence is a doctrinaire ideologue. Kellyanne Conway, the White House counsellor, who became a pollster for Pence in 2009, describes him as “a full-spectrum conservative” on social, moral, economic, and defense issues. Pence leans so far to the right that he has occasionally echoed A.C.L.U. arguments against government overreach; he has, for instance, supported a federal shield law that would protect journalists from having to identify whistle-blowers. According to Bannon, Pence is “the outreach guy, the connective tissue” between the Trump Administration and the most conservative wing of the Republican establishment. “Trump’s got the populist nationalists,” Bannon said. “But Pence is the base. Without Pence, you don’t win.”

Pence has taken care to appear extraordinarily loyal to Trump, so much so that Joel K. Goldstein, a historian and an expert on Vice-Presidents who teaches law at St. Louis University, refers to him as the “Sycophant-in-Chief.” But Pence has the political experience, the connections, the discipline, and the ideological mooring that Trump lacks. He also has a close relationship with the conservative billionaire donors who have captured the Republican Party’s agenda in recent years.

During the 2016 campaign, Trump characterized the Republican Party’s big spenders as “highly sophisticated killers” whose donations allowed them to control politicians. When he declared his candidacy, he claimed that, because of his real-estate fortune, he did not need support from “rich donors,” and he denounced super pacs, their depositories of unlimited campaign contributions, as “corrupt.” Pence’s political career, though, has been sponsored at almost every turn by the donors whom Trump has assailed. Pence is the inside man of the conservative money machine.

On Election Night, the dissonance between Trump’s populist supporters and Pence’s billionaire sponsors was quietly evident. When Trump gave his acceptance speech, in the ballroom of the Hilton Hotel in midtown Manhattan, he vowed to serve “the forgotten men and women of our country,” and promised to “rebuild our highways, bridges, tunnels, airports, schools, and hospitals.” Upstairs, in a room reserved for Party élites, several of the richest and most conservative donors, all of whom support drastic reductions in government spending, were celebrating. Doug Deason, a Texas businessman and a political donor, recalled to me, “It was amazing. In the V.I.P. reception area, there was an even more V.I.P. room, and I counted at least eight or nine billionaires.”




DaddySatyr -> RE: So it's 3rd Quarter of Trump Presidency, how many prefer Pence now? (10/17/2017 1:45:57 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

Obviously you Americans calculate things different from me. Base on Trump starting Presidential work in Feb.

Feb/Mar/Apr - First Quarter
May/June/July - Second Quarter
August/Sept/Oct - Third Quarter
Nov/Dec/Jan - Fourth Quarter

That's how it works for me.


Yes, we do calculate things differently. When a person gets elected to a four year post, and we're looking to divide that time into "quarters", we divide by 4. So 4 years / 4 (quarters) = 1 year.

Since the President took office in January , he will have completed ¼ of his presidency in January of 2018.



Michael




Greta75 -> RE: So it's 3rd Quarter of Trump Presidency, how many prefer Pence now? (10/17/2017 2:13:13 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

Obviously you Americans calculate things different from me. Base on Trump starting Presidential work in Feb.

Feb/Mar/Apr - First Quarter
May/June/July - Second Quarter
August/Sept/Oct - Third Quarter
Nov/Dec/Jan - Fourth Quarter

That's how it works for me.


Yes, we do calculate things differently. When a person gets elected to a four year post, and we're looking to divide that time into "quarters", we divide by 4. So 4 years / 4 (quarters) = 1 year.

Since the President took office in January , he will have completed ¼ of his presidency in January of 2018.



Michael


Wow! That is totally different! Thanks for explaining, I was wondering why it was still called 1st Quarter.




heavyblinker -> RE: So it's 3rd Quarter of Trump Presidency, how many prefer Pence now? (10/17/2017 3:25:27 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75
Wow! That is totally different! Thanks for explaining, I was wondering why it was still called 1st Quarter.


Now when someone asks you what 4 divided by 4 is, you can automatically know that the answer is 1.
Go Trump!




bounty44 -> RE: So it's 3rd Quarter of Trump Presidency, how many prefer Pence now? (10/17/2017 3:36:40 AM)

greta, we do both and it can be a matter of adding qualifiers for clarity.

you can either reckon things by years or by terms of office.




Greta75 -> RE: So it's 3rd Quarter of Trump Presidency, how many prefer Pence now? (10/17/2017 3:48:34 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

greta, we do both and it can be a matter of adding qualifiers for clarity.

you can either reckon things by years or by terms of office.

Yea, while you guys split it by 4 years.

By end next year, I'd have described it as 8th quarter! Instead of 2nd quarter.

I actually seldom hear "quarters" being used to describe in splitting years. Infact, first time I heard it used like this. And that's why it never occur to me the 4 years thing.




bounty44 -> RE: So it's 3rd Quarter of Trump Presidency, how many prefer Pence now? (10/17/2017 4:02:48 AM)

theres a thing called a "fiscal year" and when one is referencing that in "quarters" its always a 3 month period like what you originally wrote.




DaddySatyr -> RE: So it's 3rd Quarter of Trump Presidency, how many prefer Pence now? (10/17/2017 4:23:49 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

Yea, while you guys split it by 4 years.

By end next year, I'd have described it as 8th quarter! Instead of 2nd quarter.

I actually seldom hear "quarters" being used to describe in splitting years. Infact, first time I heard it used like this. And that's why it never occur to me the 4 years thing.


Your thread title states that it is "3rd Quarter of Trump Presidency ...". You invoked his Presidency, which we measure as a four year "lump" (sometimes an eight year "lump", divided into two "terms").

Had you said: "The 3rd Quarter of his first year, you'd have been correct.

For example, if you were talking about Obummer's Presidency , you would have to acknowledge that it was eight years long (May God have mercy on our collective soul). So, ¾ of his Presidency would be 6 years.



Michael




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