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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/20/2017 2:35:54 PM   
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All in all, you can count on two things in the news

1> Leftist ideologues spinning things to show Trump can do no right.

Does quoting his own words count as "spinning things"?



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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/20/2017 3:50:22 PM   
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Speaking of disrespectful lies. Apparently General Kelly is willing to maliciously lie about members of Congress, as it suits the administration. Local papers have dug up the video of Rep Wilson's speech at the FBI building's opening, and it didn't go anything like the General stated.

https://amp.usatoday.com/story/784456001/

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/20/2017 5:37:11 PM   
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All in all, you can count on two things in the news

1> Leftist ideologues spinning things to show Trump can do no right.

Does quoting his own words count as "spinning things"?



Editing to portray Trump in the worst possible light is spin.
Quoting only part of a statement in spin.

God knows Mr. Tiny hands excels at the faux pas. But the disgusting spin doctoring is certainly "fake news" in my book. Hmmm, maybe the tiny hands are fox paws in disguise? I'm tired of manufactured news instead of reported news.

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/20/2017 5:41:44 PM   
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his speech yesterday was so very eloquent, until he went for the family and wilson...and Im not a huge fan of her reaction to this, but then, with trump and kelly punching down, with lies, it is just making it worse.
ugh horrible distraction.
Its not going away tho:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/356329-fbi-joins-investigation-of-niger-attack

The FBI has joined the investigation into how four American soldiers were killed by Islamic militants in Niger two weeks ago, as the Pentagon and White House face growing questions about the attack, The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday.

FBI officials told the Journal that the bureau's involvement is not unusual, and that it has the authority to take charge of the probe, but has not yet done so.

The development comes as lawmakers on Capitol Hill demand answers as to how militants were able to ambush the U.S. soldiers, and as Trump faces scrutiny for his handling of the aftermath of their death.

The four Americans were killed and two more were injured when their group of about a dozen U.S. soldiers and 40 Nigerien troops were ambushed during a joint patrol.

The Pentagon has laid blame on self-radicalized, Islamic State in Iraq and Syria-affiliated militants for the attack.

Some lawmakers, including chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), have called on the administration to provide more details on the attack.

“I had a better working relationship, as far as information back and forth, with Ash Carter than I do with an old friend of 20 years,” McCain told reporters this week, referring to the Defense secretary under former President Obama.

“We’ve been waiting for weeks and weeks,” he said. “We will not sit by without having a complete understanding of what’s going on.”

Pentagon officials insisted on Thursday that they were being forthcoming with lawmakers about the attack.

"The loss of our troops is under investigation," Defense Secretary James Mattis told reporters. "We investigate anytime we have our troops killed, whether it be in a training accident or combat."

"These terrorists are conducting war on innocent people of all religions, they are conducting war on innocent people who have no way to defend themselves," he continued.

"In this specific case, contact was considered unlikely, but there's a reason we have U.S. Army soldiers there and not the Peace Corps, because we carry guns," he said.


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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/20/2017 5:43:47 PM   
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All in all, you can count on two things in the news

1> Leftist ideologues spinning things to show Trump can do no right.

Does quoting his own words count as "spinning things"?



Editing to portray Trump in the worst possible light is spin.
Quoting only part of a statement in spin.

God knows Mr. Tiny hands excels at the faux pas. But the disgusting spin doctoring is certainly "fake news" in my book. Hmmm, maybe the tiny hands are fox paws in disguise? I'm tired of manufactured news instead of reported news.

fox screwed up again with one of their "experts"
navy seal with two purple hearts wasnt. oops


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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/20/2017 6:03:41 PM   
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I'm quite proud of Rep Wilson. Love the hats, too.

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/20/2017 6:20:43 PM   
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Funny, all the deranged leftist howling over an operation that Barack Obama set in motion

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/20/2017 6:27:55 PM   
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Yep
Apart from more military training and equipment for Nigeria, the Obama administration also has decided to deploy two Cessna surveillance aircraft in the next few months to Niger in order to bolster intelligence gathering for a new regional force being set up to battle the Boko Haram extremists, officials told Foreign Policy.


maddow had a very interesting spot on niger and chad and mali last night, I would post the link but you wouldn't watch it. its also too long for a tiny attention span..
but for anyone that is interested....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYVyDnLNh_I
its quite long but the relevant part is at the beginning.

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/20/2017 6:39:16 PM   
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Ok, the great foot in mouth cheetoh likes to call families of service members killed in action..

That beats the form letter signed by a secretary that Bill Clinton used to send out.

If you look back, most Commanders in Chief only did the personal touch with a service family when it was a good photo op.

To me, this doesn't even meet "fake news" but is "NON news".

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/20/2017 8:42:02 PM   
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Its distraction.shiny crazy ooze distraction


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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/21/2017 6:21:35 AM   
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You should do that more often.

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/21/2017 7:15:24 AM   
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Yep
Apart from more military training and equipment for Nigeria, the Obama administration also has decided to deploy two Cessna surveillance aircraft in the next few months to Niger in order to bolster intelligence gathering for a new regional force being set up to battle the Boko Haram extremists, officials told Foreign Policy.


maddow had a very interesting spot on niger and chad and mali last night, I would post the link but you wouldn't watch it. its also too long for a tiny attention span..
but for anyone that is interested....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYVyDnLNh_I
its quite long but the relevant part is at the beginning.


No wonder you're such a howler, you really really believe in Rachel Madcow

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/21/2017 12:33:29 PM   
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No, thats a claim you made,
Nothing to do with the topic

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/21/2017 4:55:36 PM   
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Funny, all the deranged leftist howling over an operation that Barack Obama set in motion


Yup. But as much as it pains me, Obama is no longer Commander In Chief. Try to keep up, will ya?

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/21/2017 6:53:14 PM   
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Funny, all the deranged leftist howling over an operation that Barack Obama set in motion


Yup. But as much as it pains me, Obama is no longer Commander In Chief. Try to keep up, will ya?


Yeah, operations like any bureaucratic policy have inertia and require effort to change direction or to terminate.

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/21/2017 10:22:28 PM   
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Funny, all the deranged leftist howling over an operation that Barack Obama set in motion


Yup. But as much as it pains me, Obama is no longer Commander In Chief. Try to keep up, will ya?


Yeah, operations like any bureaucratic policy have inertia and require effort to change direction or to terminate.


Absolutely agreed. Yet situations on the ground can change quickly when dealing with groups like ISIS, or the one I keep mixing up with Yoko Ono.

But again, Trump has been President since January. He has had time to hear from his military advisors on every troop action around the globe, and do course corrections, had he deemed necessary.

Somebody dropped the ball somewhere though. And it needs to be investigated, so it doesn't happen again.

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/22/2017 12:39:57 AM   
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Funny, all the deranged leftist howling over an operation that Barack Obama set in motion

Yea, big operation.....the Obama administration also has decided to deploy two Cessna surveillance aircraft in the next few months to Niger in order to bolster intelligence gathering for a new regional force being set up to battle the Boko Haram extremists, officials told Foreign Policy. From your link.

That's supposed to equate to at least dozens of troops on the ground (getting ambushed) and in a neighboring country ?

Not nearly and as directly linked as was Bush's Operation Wide Receiver that morphed (my word) into Operation Fast and Furious which the right never ceased to conveniently forget and try to hammer Obama over.

Just pretend it's Obama and why not, the right pretends lots-a-things, always doubling down on what [it] want others to believe.

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RE: ‘Disrespectful lie’: Anger grows over Trump’s... - 10/22/2017 5:00:55 AM   
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maddow had a very interesting spot on niger and chad and mali last night, I would post the link but you wouldn't watch it. its also too long for a tiny attention span..


No wonder you're such a howler, you really really believe in Rachel Madcow


"What The Hell Was This Rachel Maddow Segment?"

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“Everybody that I know is appalled by this.”

It was a vintage Rachel Maddow stemwinder. A deft, 25-minute weaving of carefully curated sound bites, screenshots of news reports, slick maps and graphics, all strung together to make the case that something fishy is afoot. It’s a style Maddow has perfected, and it has propelled her to the top of the ratings heap.

There was just one problem. Maddow’s theory was so flimsy that it could be debunked by a quick glance at a map, let alone a phone call with an expert.

Janet Malcolm of The New Yorker recently described Maddow’s show as “a piece of sleight of hand presented as a cable news show. It is TV entertainment at its finest. It permits liberals to enjoy themselves during what may be the most thoroughly unenjoyable time of their political lives.”

Thursday night’s entertainment came as an attempt to pin the ambush that killed four Green Berets in Niger earlier this month on President Donald Trump’s newest proposed travel ban, which was scheduled to go into effect this week but was struck down in federal court. Maddow seized on the revised ban’s inclusion of Chad, one of Niger’s neighbors and a U.S. partner in counterterrorism efforts in Africa.

A U.S. Army carry team transfers the remains of Army Staff Sgt. Dustin Wright of Lyons, Georgia, at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware, U.S. on Oct. 5, 2017.

An expert, Maddow noted, warned that the decision “could put Americans in harm’s way.” Last week, when the Chadian government announced that it had completed the two-week process of pulling out all of its troops from Niger, the move was viewed as related to the travel ban, she claimed.

An uptick in extremist attacks has ensued, Maddow added, which “might explain why we have just had these four absolutely unbelievable gut-wrenching emotional days in American politics and in D.C. in particular.”

Maddow’s segment was designed to strongly suggest, without outright stating, that Trump’s addition of Chad in his latest travel ban prompted the country to remove its troops from Niger, leading to an increase in extremist attacks and ultimately claiming the lives of four U.S. soldiers.

Chad’s pullout from Niger “had an immediate effect in emboldening ISIS attacks,” Maddow said.

That appears to be false. According to the Council on Foreign Relations and accounts from local residents, the attacks that have increased can be traced back to militant group Boko Haram, which is based just across the border in Nigeria. A group of Boko Haram militants broke away and formed the Islamic State West Africa, Laura Seay, an assistant professor in Colby College’s Department of Government, told HuffPost. But they are separate from the so-called Islamic State in the Greater Sahara, the group that reportedly carried out the ambush (although no group has claimed responsibility for the attack).

The pullout of Chadian troops happened on the opposite side of the country from where ISIS-affiliated militants attacked U.S. and Nigerien soldiers.

Chadian troops were present in Niger specifically to ward off the Boko Haram threat ― they had nothing to do with Islamic State in the Greater Sahara. They were also based almost 800 miles away, in an area called Diffa that’s long been battling the group, Seay said.

Any expert asked about Chadian troops battling ISIS in Niger would have said “No, that’s crazy,” Seay added. ”Everybody that I know is appalled by this. I would like to think that Maddow’s researchers are more responsible.”

Plus, the pullout of Chadian troops isn’t necessarily related to the travel ban, as Maddow implied. “It may have already been planned and [the travel ban] was the straw that broke the camel’s back,” Seay said. “Chadians didn’t want to keep their forces there forever and were at least looking to scale down. If we do see the travel ban lifted I’m not sure you’d see the Chadians go back in.”

Maddow referred to the ambush as “absolutely baffling.” But an attack of this nature was “almost inevitable,” Seay added, seeing as American special forces teams are operating in remote areas in an “advise-and-assist” capacity, training military personnel across the region. Army Green Berets, for example, have gone to the Mali-Niger border 29 times in the last six months.

And even though they’re technically in an advisory capacity, it’s not uncommon for these troops to end up in the line of fire, she noted. “They go on patrol with local military so they’re technically not fighting. But really they’re right there together.”

“There has been an increase of violence in this area and nearby areas for more than a year, and the overall security situation has been getting worse,” said Andrew Lebovich, a visiting fellow with the European Council on Foreign Relations.

The Rachel Maddow Show declined to comment to HuffPost.

The Trump era has been a boon for the Rachel Maddow Show. It was the highest rated cable news program in total viewers and the coveted age 25-54 demographic in the most recent quarter this year.

“By reducing the story to its mythic fundamentals,” Janet Malcolm wrote earlier this month, “Maddow creates the illusion of completeness that novels and short stories create. We feel that this is the story as we listen to and watch her tell it.”

It’s a tactic that right-wing hosts like Sean Hannity and Alex Jones have perfected, building myths using unrelated or unreliable information in ways that brought us the birther lie and the Benghazi controversy, putting the country on a path to fake news and the Trump presidency.

On Thursday, Maddow reduced the story so thoroughly that it lost any semblance of the larger truth.


oh no comrades, the huffington post!

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rachel-maddow-niger-travel-ban_us_59ea060fe4b05b4f1c3ad52f?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009



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